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Does anybody follow the Perfect Health Diet?

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Created May 24, 2011 at 12:05 AM

Does anybody here follow the Perfect Health Diet? Thoughts on it? Sample daily menu? I'm enjoying the book, but 'potato' and 'rice' are still scary words to me. As is the phrase 'one half pound of meat per day'. I'd love to hear about anyone's experience.

EDIT for clarity: The Perfect Health Diet, in short, is 20% carbs (from 'healthy starches' like potatoes, white rice, and yucca, as well as some fruit), 65% non-toxic fats, and 15% protein.

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on September 13, 2011
at 08:27 PM

Hey, this is really timely that I am seeing this question because my FB group is discussing this stuff with Paul directly right now. Please friend me and I'll add you to the group - it's on my profile!

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on July 22, 2011
at 01:00 AM

I agree, the book is SO incredibly well referenced - that is in achievement in itself. We can all go and research specific topics covered in the book quite easily (as long as you have access to full papers that is).

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on July 22, 2011
at 12:59 AM

Keep in mind that the editors may have had the last say with the title.

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on July 22, 2011
at 12:56 AM

optimum has the exact same undertone.

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on July 22, 2011
at 12:56 AM

optimum has the exact same overtone.

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on July 22, 2011
at 12:54 AM

He's in the 50 grams of total protein a day camp. Context is everything though IMO. If you're trying to lose fat I'd probably up it to make sure that you aren't losing muscle.

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on July 21, 2011
at 10:07 PM

SO glad you brought this up! I'm loving the comments here. I've been gravitating more to PHD. I really needed to lower my consumption of meat. Plus I really missed rice :)

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on May 26, 2011
at 02:25 AM

I guess I just have an aversion to the word "perfect" since it is just an ideal, not something attainable. And as far as the idea of "Perfect Health" well, that makes me cringe as well. once we stop growing, we start dying, pretty much. I prefer the term "optimum" I suppose since it's more realistic. All I know is that I only do well on carbs from vegetables, and anything else is a 'cheat' aka something that moves me away from optimal health. I seem to do best on about 50-50 veggies/meat. Anyway, checking it out, but yeah, audacious title, for sure.

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on May 25, 2011
at 12:36 PM

Thank you Dr. Jaminet for clarifying. This is the quote that bothered me. I have another question I can't find the answer to. On your website you suggest 200 calories of daily protein to be sufficient, but I cannot tell if you are calculating protein and fat separately in meats and eggs or just the total calories of protein type food. If one were to eat 2 eggs and 4 oz. of salmon that would put them over 200 calories!!! Surely this is not what you are suggesting is it??

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on May 24, 2011
at 08:34 PM

I dont' think the point of the title is a perfect diet, but rather Diet to reach Perfect Health. That's how I read it, anyway.

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on May 24, 2011
at 07:13 PM

To be clear, my prior reply was facetious... it seems pretty obvious that you didn't read it, so you are (again) dismissing a book without having read it, and without even having a very clear idea of what it's about or what value it might offer to people.

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on May 24, 2011
at 07:06 PM

So you did read the book?

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on May 24, 2011
at 06:45 PM

Thanks, Stabby! Glad to hear our diet is good for raccoons too!

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on May 24, 2011
at 06:40 PM

i guess with their timing and everything it just seemed like the slightest little tweek on the entire paleo concept that it didn't warrant really looking into. i mean, macros are always up to the individual and if you're looking to fuel more demanding activity and youre not fat then eat rice. no big deal. Does that need a "book" written about it? Plus, you can just read Guyanet's blog, as thats essentially what their book is about.

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on May 24, 2011
at 06:31 PM

I suspect that this Paul guy knows what he's talking about. Also, "Perfect Health Diet" sells a lot more books than "Mostly Evidence Based Diet".

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on May 24, 2011
at 06:25 PM

Also, on the topic of individual variability, we do discuss that on the blog and in the book. Different infections call for different diets; some health conditions benefit from tweaking the diet - we've frequently discussed which diseases benefit from ketogenic dieting, and I'll be blogging later on some diseases that benefit from high-carb dieting. The book doesn't prescribe specific macronutrient amounts, but ranges which for carbs and protein are pretty broad. So there is plenty of room for individual variability, and guidance for how to find the best diet for you.

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on May 24, 2011
at 06:22 PM

Hi RPS - Perfection is an aspiration, not always an achievement, but I think an optimized diet is essential to achieving perfect health and may often make it possible. Of course we live in a complex environment with pathogens and toxins, and perfect health isn't guaranteed, but I think it is achievable far more often than people realize. Best, Paul

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on May 24, 2011
at 06:20 PM

Hi Nancy, We didn't intend to say that the diet would cure cancer. The actual phrase was something like "cure or slow the progression of various diseases including ... cancer ..." where cancer is one of the diseases whose progression would be slowed rather than cured. I do think that diet will play a big factor in curing cancer, but that is still a research subject. I will be blogging on cancer later this year. Best, Paul

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on May 24, 2011
at 06:06 PM

Crazy idea, but maybe read the book before dismissing it as "silly." It's more than just "paleo with rice" or avoiding the big three NADs - the book discusses things like macronutrient ratios and supplementation as well. Anyway as often discussed, "paleo" means many things to many people (dairy, etc etc) so "paleo with rice" isn't even a useful summary even if it were an accurate one.

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on May 24, 2011
at 02:51 PM

Stabby, I follow their diet as well and I am trying to lose fat so I am using the supplement protocol and sticking close to the weight loss chapter (lower carb). IMO the best thing about PHD is their insistence of variety of protein sources rather than "just eat fatty ruminants". Your average food list above reminded me that sometimes I forget about the seafood and I tend to focus on beef and eggs for simplicity. Thanks!

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on May 24, 2011
at 12:20 PM

High fat diets will eventually overwhelm the guts ability to absorb it the liver to package it and the gallbladder to excrete it......yourenasking those three organs to work overtime. Fats make our GI system work hard to process them. Carbs and protein are much less intense to deal with. But you can sustain yourself longer on a high fat for periods of starvation and for living in cold climates. This is precisely what we see in Sherpas and the HG Inuit that remain

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on May 24, 2011
at 04:51 AM

Yeah I always mention that it's one heck of an audacious title. But having read it and also having read a lot about nutrition and what is healthiest to eat I have to say that the authors Paul and Sho-ching are probably just omnipotent.

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on May 24, 2011
at 03:28 AM

Dr. Quilt is that due to lipotoxicity and decreased expression of uncoupling proteins making a high fat diet unfeasible?

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on May 24, 2011
at 02:12 AM

You don't have to rice. Rice is one of the starches considered safe by them. You can eat yams, sweet potatoes, yuca, if you want. Yes, white rice (and rice based pasta, e.g.) is one of the only grains they endorse but for some very good reasons (brown rice has toxins). That's for people sans blood sugar issues. If you do and if your goal is to lose pounds, they do recommend a low carb diet, as long as you try to stay somewhat above ketosis. I think they make a whole lot of sense.

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on May 24, 2011
at 01:02 AM

I was on a lower carb diet and then I took it up to about 25% of energy. Tubers of all kinds, squashes, berries and bananas are the carbs. Usually I eat 1/3 lb of fatty lamb at noon with olive oil and starch/vegetables and then either bone broth, gelatin powder (make it into a fruit thingy), shellfish or salmon at dinner with a great deal of either creamed coconut or coconut milk depending on what I make. I take some supplements. Once a week I have a 5 egg omelette with cheese and sausage. One day I'll eat beef liver and one day is a fast except for coconut oil.

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on May 24, 2011
at 01:02 AM

Thanks. I have to say I think theirs is pretty silly since from the getgo this whole paleo thing was never about low carb. It was never macro-specific, it's simply avoiding three things, right? Grains legumes and dairy. They should subtitle their book paleo with rice.

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on May 24, 2011
at 12:59 AM

I was on a lower carb diet and then I took it up to about 25% of energy. Tubers of all kinds, squashes, berries and bananas are the carbs. Usually I eat 1/3 lb of fatty lamb at noon with olive oil and starch/vegetables and then either bone broth, gelatin powder (make it into a fruit thingy), shellfish or salmon at dinner with a great deal of either creamed coconut or coconut milk depending on what I make. I take some supplements. Once a week I have a 5 egg omelette with cheese and sausage. One day I'll eat beef liver and one day is a fat except for coconut oil.

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on May 24, 2011
at 12:48 AM

Thank you, Stabby! Were you previously on a lower carb diet? And would you mind sharing an average day's food?

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on May 24, 2011
at 12:46 AM

The diet makes some sense if your leptin sensitive.....very much like Anthony Colpo's advice......but here is the rub few people looking for diet advice are. That is the major problem.

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at 12:40 AM

I haven't read the book, but that's pretty much my take - paleo with rice. And maybe a little lighter on the protein than some paleo recommendations.

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at 12:29 AM

What does their diet consist of?

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Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on May 24, 2011
at 12:41 AM

Yes I have read the book and blog and I follow a similar diet. I have my modifications but it is fairly close to PHD and I have no complaints with anything they are saying. Blood tests look incredible, energy is good and I don't miss the tons and tons of meat of standard paleo diets. I don't eat rice, you don't really have to, it's not a particularly good food, just not a particularly bad one.

I endorse it. Even if you don't want to follow the dietary recommendations there is plenty of knowledge and wisdom in the book and blog.

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on May 24, 2011
at 06:45 PM

Thanks, Stabby! Glad to hear our diet is good for raccoons too!

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on May 24, 2011
at 01:02 AM

I was on a lower carb diet and then I took it up to about 25% of energy. Tubers of all kinds, squashes, berries and bananas are the carbs. Usually I eat 1/3 lb of fatty lamb at noon with olive oil and starch/vegetables and then either bone broth, gelatin powder (make it into a fruit thingy), shellfish or salmon at dinner with a great deal of either creamed coconut or coconut milk depending on what I make. I take some supplements. Once a week I have a 5 egg omelette with cheese and sausage. One day I'll eat beef liver and one day is a fast except for coconut oil.

Bd271299b2d4d9b2e3da9c252fef058c

(2854)

on May 24, 2011
at 12:48 AM

Thank you, Stabby! Were you previously on a lower carb diet? And would you mind sharing an average day's food?

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on May 24, 2011
at 12:59 AM

I was on a lower carb diet and then I took it up to about 25% of energy. Tubers of all kinds, squashes, berries and bananas are the carbs. Usually I eat 1/3 lb of fatty lamb at noon with olive oil and starch/vegetables and then either bone broth, gelatin powder (make it into a fruit thingy), shellfish or salmon at dinner with a great deal of either creamed coconut or coconut milk depending on what I make. I take some supplements. Once a week I have a 5 egg omelette with cheese and sausage. One day I'll eat beef liver and one day is a fat except for coconut oil.

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on May 24, 2011
at 02:51 PM

Stabby, I follow their diet as well and I am trying to lose fat so I am using the supplement protocol and sticking close to the weight loss chapter (lower carb). IMO the best thing about PHD is their insistence of variety of protein sources rather than "just eat fatty ruminants". Your average food list above reminded me that sometimes I forget about the seafood and I tend to focus on beef and eggs for simplicity. Thanks!

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on May 24, 2011
at 03:26 AM

Yes. I was LCP for 2 years and couldn't figure out why i felt like crap. I function better on higher carbs and do white rice. Perfect Health Diet still subscribes to no gluten, limited fructose, and limited seed oil. It's paleo enough for me and i feel much better running on more carbs (100g's/day-up'd to 200ish a day). In my experience the main problems are too much Fructose, gluten grains and seed oils. Avoid those three and you're pretty much good to go. If i wanted to loose lots of fat i may restrict carbs. If your an athlete, or get lots of exercise i would up the carb %. And also, i probably eat a bit more protein then they recommend. IMO its ok to play around with fat/carb/protein ratios as long as you are avoiding gluten grains, too much fructose, and seed oils.

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on May 24, 2011
at 06:10 PM

I have read the book twice and have had very good results following the diet, as has my girlfriend. (By results I mean better digestion, weight loss, ability to go longer without eating, and other typical paleo benefits).

I really liked the book because they back everything up with a lot of empirical data, which is value for those of a skeptical bent. It's all very logical and evidence-based. So it's worth reading even if you decide not to implement the whole diet.

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on July 22, 2011
at 01:00 AM

I agree, the book is SO incredibly well referenced - that is in achievement in itself. We can all go and research specific topics covered in the book quite easily (as long as you have access to full papers that is).

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on July 21, 2011
at 09:16 PM

This is the diet that I follow. I was paleo for close to a year before discovering their work, and I've been on it ever since. The diet is very well researched, makes a good deal of sense, and I feel better than I ever have.

I should note that, even if one doesn't plan on following their diet, the book is full of all kinds of great knowledge that is invaluable to paleos as well. A lot of it is the scientific research that refutes common knowledge and the SAD; you know, the kind of facts we love! They provide the research as a synthesis, though, which I feel strongly points toward their diet as being, well, just what it claims to be.

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on May 24, 2011
at 01:09 AM

I follow their diet. I eat a lot of white rice, potato and sweet potato along with a copious amount of fat and a moderate amount of protein. I have felt a ton better following their diet than I have following strict paleo.

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on August 02, 2012
at 05:41 PM

Well, you can read about Poland's "Optimal Diet" at Bee Wilder's website. But be certain to go to perfecthealthdiet.com and see what Paul and Shou-Ching have to say about the research. Seems there is an apparent positive correlation between the O.D. and digestive tract cancers. The PHD title is okay, especially after you meet the authors and you see how bright, kind, approachable, and completely into critiquing their own work and tweaking their pespectives.

Get over the ol' judging the book and read it. Amazing insights, and if you have thoughts, concerns, or questions, you can ask on their website.

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on May 25, 2011
at 10:57 PM

I love their blog, but was eating very similarly to their guidelines long before I found it! I started out pretty low-carb, and it did NOT agree with me. Now I eat meat, eggs, seafood, dairy, veg, a little fruit and nuts, and 'safe' starch from potatoes, other root veg and white rice. Lots of fat, adequate carbs (but too many carbs definitely have an adverse effect). I do eat more protein than they recommend, because my body craves it, and I only weigh 105 lbs and have trouble gaining muscle... so I figure I need it.

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on May 24, 2011
at 12:57 AM

I have read the book and the blog and generally follow diet. I feel a lot better on it than I did on strict paleo. My mood is so much better. I do eat rice but I always cook it in bone broth and load it up with butter.

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on March 21, 2014
at 10:35 PM

I've been tweaking my diet in this direction as my brain needs more carbs than I was getting. Plus, I'm hoping a little less protein and a little more starch will equal a little more money in the wallet. I'm not sure if my body is adjusted well to the white rice, though. If I have it more than twice in a week, I get a mild ache in the gallbladder area. If anyone has any insight into why that might happen, I'd appreciate it. It's happened in the past when I did a daily smoothie challenge, and one other time when I cheated on some caramel popcorn.

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on May 24, 2011
at 04:21 AM

The comments here have me interested to look more into this, but my gut reaction was that anything that would proclaim itself as "perfect" has GOT TO BE BS. I really don't believe that any one diet is right for EVERYone, and I detest the word "perfect" but I'll set that aside and ready up and see where that goes.

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on May 24, 2011
at 06:22 PM

Hi RPS - Perfection is an aspiration, not always an achievement, but I think an optimized diet is essential to achieving perfect health and may often make it possible. Of course we live in a complex environment with pathogens and toxins, and perfect health isn't guaranteed, but I think it is achievable far more often than people realize. Best, Paul

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on May 24, 2011
at 04:51 AM

Yeah I always mention that it's one heck of an audacious title. But having read it and also having read a lot about nutrition and what is healthiest to eat I have to say that the authors Paul and Sho-ching are probably just omnipotent.

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on May 24, 2011
at 06:31 PM

I suspect that this Paul guy knows what he's talking about. Also, "Perfect Health Diet" sells a lot more books than "Mostly Evidence Based Diet".

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on May 26, 2011
at 02:25 AM

I guess I just have an aversion to the word "perfect" since it is just an ideal, not something attainable. And as far as the idea of "Perfect Health" well, that makes me cringe as well. once we stop growing, we start dying, pretty much. I prefer the term "optimum" I suppose since it's more realistic. All I know is that I only do well on carbs from vegetables, and anything else is a 'cheat' aka something that moves me away from optimal health. I seem to do best on about 50-50 veggies/meat. Anyway, checking it out, but yeah, audacious title, for sure.

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on May 24, 2011
at 06:25 PM

Also, on the topic of individual variability, we do discuss that on the blog and in the book. Different infections call for different diets; some health conditions benefit from tweaking the diet - we've frequently discussed which diseases benefit from ketogenic dieting, and I'll be blogging later on some diseases that benefit from high-carb dieting. The book doesn't prescribe specific macronutrient amounts, but ranges which for carbs and protein are pretty broad. So there is plenty of room for individual variability, and guidance for how to find the best diet for you.

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on May 24, 2011
at 08:34 PM

I dont' think the point of the title is a perfect diet, but rather Diet to reach Perfect Health. That's how I read it, anyway.

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on July 22, 2011
at 12:56 AM

optimum has the exact same undertone.

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on July 22, 2011
at 12:59 AM

Keep in mind that the editors may have had the last say with the title.

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on July 22, 2011
at 12:56 AM

optimum has the exact same overtone.

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on May 24, 2011
at 01:25 AM

I have the book and have read through it twice. It is more calories than I eat, and I am not ready to cut back my protein to their suggested level yet, but I am still open minded about it. I also am not so sure about all the supplements they suggest. I am very slow to add supplements...still reading. And, there are some pretty strong statements about curing cancer that bother me. I know they are cancer researchers, but that seemed "quacky." I have no problem with adding a little starch if needed. I keep coming back to the book and am starting it for a third time. I have about 10 lbs. more to lose and do not know if I need to stay VLC to maintain or not. Another experiment of one coming soon.

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on May 24, 2011
at 06:20 PM

Hi Nancy, We didn't intend to say that the diet would cure cancer. The actual phrase was something like "cure or slow the progression of various diseases including ... cancer ..." where cancer is one of the diseases whose progression would be slowed rather than cured. I do think that diet will play a big factor in curing cancer, but that is still a research subject. I will be blogging on cancer later this year. Best, Paul

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on May 25, 2011
at 12:36 PM

Thank you Dr. Jaminet for clarifying. This is the quote that bothered me. I have another question I can't find the answer to. On your website you suggest 200 calories of daily protein to be sufficient, but I cannot tell if you are calculating protein and fat separately in meats and eggs or just the total calories of protein type food. If one were to eat 2 eggs and 4 oz. of salmon that would put them over 200 calories!!! Surely this is not what you are suggesting is it??

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on July 22, 2011
at 12:54 AM

He's in the 50 grams of total protein a day camp. Context is everything though IMO. If you're trying to lose fat I'd probably up it to make sure that you aren't losing muscle.

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on May 24, 2011
at 12:32 AM

Well, I eat a lot of potatoes, rice occasionally. I eat somewhere in the range of 200 grams of carb per day. I eat a whole lot more than 8 oz of meat per day though. That might cut it for a sedentary desk job but not me.

Isn't theirs simply paleo with white rice?

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on May 24, 2011
at 01:02 AM

Thanks. I have to say I think theirs is pretty silly since from the getgo this whole paleo thing was never about low carb. It was never macro-specific, it's simply avoiding three things, right? Grains legumes and dairy. They should subtitle their book paleo with rice.

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on May 24, 2011
at 12:40 AM

I haven't read the book, but that's pretty much my take - paleo with rice. And maybe a little lighter on the protein than some paleo recommendations.

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on May 24, 2011
at 07:13 PM

To be clear, my prior reply was facetious... it seems pretty obvious that you didn't read it, so you are (again) dismissing a book without having read it, and without even having a very clear idea of what it's about or what value it might offer to people.

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on May 24, 2011
at 07:06 PM

So you did read the book?

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at 06:40 PM

i guess with their timing and everything it just seemed like the slightest little tweek on the entire paleo concept that it didn't warrant really looking into. i mean, macros are always up to the individual and if you're looking to fuel more demanding activity and youre not fat then eat rice. no big deal. Does that need a "book" written about it? Plus, you can just read Guyanet's blog, as thats essentially what their book is about.

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at 02:12 AM

You don't have to rice. Rice is one of the starches considered safe by them. You can eat yams, sweet potatoes, yuca, if you want. Yes, white rice (and rice based pasta, e.g.) is one of the only grains they endorse but for some very good reasons (brown rice has toxins). That's for people sans blood sugar issues. If you do and if your goal is to lose pounds, they do recommend a low carb diet, as long as you try to stay somewhat above ketosis. I think they make a whole lot of sense.

A6b2325aefabe3e40c89646e40223f6f

on May 24, 2011
at 06:06 PM

Crazy idea, but maybe read the book before dismissing it as "silly." It's more than just "paleo with rice" or avoiding the big three NADs - the book discusses things like macronutrient ratios and supplementation as well. Anyway as often discussed, "paleo" means many things to many people (dairy, etc etc) so "paleo with rice" isn't even a useful summary even if it were an accurate one.

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