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Palatability and reward, a clearer understanding

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created August 01, 2012 at 7:10 PM

I have been experimenting with reducing food reward/palatability for a while now and have been unsuccessful to say the least. Couple days I could go until fatigue would hit me (in many different ways) and I would give in to some junk to make me feel better (both mentally and physically). Attempts to fulfill the adaptation caused me to think that my symptoms were caused by insufficient caloric intakes, which obviously tended to be on the low side as bland food is not that attractive or addictive. When I tried increasing my calories, against my bodies signals not to, I ended up feeling sleepy after my meals and the fatigue was no better. It is these collective events that have finally opened my eyes to the reality of this food reward/palatability bit. Whole unrefined foods are much lower in reward than their processed counterparts, allowing us to keep our weight at a healthy level and give us energy instead of bogging us down after overeating the hyper-rewarding stuff. The palatability, though, must change in order for it to be sustainable (there's a reason our initial temptation is to run after tasty junk). That is what is being talked about when people say that after several weeks their taste buds "adapt" and make bland food tastier.

My question involves whether anyone has had any experiences that have helped them with a smoother transition to bland foods--rather than just willing their way through the first week or two. I ask this because I am always consumed with a rather decent workload and the fatigue (bad concentration, constant urge to sleep..) is not really tolerable at this point and prevents me from making the change that I want to. Any help is very much appreciated!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 02, 2012
at 08:28 PM

Of course everyone is like that but almost no one will own up to it. If you try to step down your reward levels it's inevitable that weird behaviours pop up and you eventually just have to grit your teeth for two weeks and suffer... In the short-term bare knuckle sobriety is kinda the only option if you want to get less addicted to stimuli in general.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

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on August 02, 2012
at 06:52 AM

ding ding ding!

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

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on August 02, 2012
at 06:51 AM

so you're saying you are "addicted" to pleasure? welcome to the human race...

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

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on August 02, 2012
at 06:50 AM

i'm familiar with the theory but i really don't think that jackson knows why or what he's doing with it. let's just take lean steak as an example, is that considered bland? add some salt and cook it nice, now it's suddenly rewarding and you'll overeat it? um, no. the hungrier you are, the more you'll eat for the sake of eating. however if we are talking about junk food and empty calories, why not just fill up on real foods before you get to the point of craving junk?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on August 01, 2012
at 08:54 PM

You are talking about like roided out extemists like Jay Cutler and Ronnie Coleman. Female competitors consume an upwards of 12oz of chicken/fish a day. They do also typically consume 1-3 protein shakes and egg whites though too.

Dfeb3c1ef269c5dc03154d1689c14373

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on August 01, 2012
at 08:18 PM

the point is you're supposed to adapt to the initially "depriving" foods so that they're no longer depriving.

F5be4be097edc85690c12d67ee1a27c0

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on August 01, 2012
at 08:06 PM

No thanks, Melimel. I like the palatability of food.

F5be4be097edc85690c12d67ee1a27c0

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on August 01, 2012
at 08:05 PM

Oh, I didn't see 'when preparing for competition'. I still disagree on the meats. From everything I see, they consume 30oz a day of lean meats.

724f0f45eb53919b8c617c3c1ec5fbc5

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on August 01, 2012
at 07:54 PM

Sleepyhouse, it doesn't sound like you are familiar with the concept that Jackson is hacking in this thread. If you're interested in educating yourself, here's a good place to start: http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2011/10/losing-fat-with-simple-food.html You could also search the forum for more info, and/or start your own question. What you're posting isn't contributing anything to the discussion.

F5be4be097edc85690c12d67ee1a27c0

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on August 01, 2012
at 07:52 PM

But then again, strawberries are not on a 'bland diet' if it's truly a bland diet.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on August 01, 2012
at 07:52 PM

You would be incorrect. I do not know of any competitors that drink any milk. They do drink whey shakes around workouts, which may actually be healthful. They typically eat more green vegetables than anyone on the planet, and they typically eat small (3-6oz) servings of chicken and fish- not large servings of steak.

F5be4be097edc85690c12d67ee1a27c0

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on August 01, 2012
at 07:50 PM

The only thing I can possibly relate to Jackson's point is my taste for strawberries... used to dip them in sugar as a kid. They were too bitter. Once I quit sugar, strawberries are incredibly sweet to me. Green grapes are no longer bitter at all. If the question is how long it took, it took a steady diet of paleo eating with no processed sugar added for a month.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on August 01, 2012
at 07:47 PM

@ Jackson- I think sleepyhouse is using food reward and food satisfaction inter-changeably. A food can be rewarding, but not satisfying- that is processed food. Real food (with nutrients in tact) is both rewarding and satisfying, is what I think she is trying to say. However, even then real food will only be satisfying if you actually have a need for what you are eating.

F5be4be097edc85690c12d67ee1a27c0

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on August 01, 2012
at 07:46 PM

Because fitness and bodybuilder competitors consume mass amounts of milk, whey protein shakes, steak, chicken, eggs, etc.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on August 01, 2012
at 07:45 PM

Why is it dumb? It works apparently extremely well for a lot of people. Lalanne also (semi)jokingly said "if it tastes good, spit it out,"

F5be4be097edc85690c12d67ee1a27c0

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on August 01, 2012
at 07:44 PM

"If it tastes good, it's not allowed," is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on August 01, 2012
at 07:44 PM

...Actually being hungry or in need of a food raises the food satisfaction level too, so you'll get satisfied and fuller quicker.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on August 01, 2012
at 07:42 PM

Yeah I'm not suggesting you starve yourself. Just do the Seth Roberts type stuff and really minimize palatability. I believe it's probably worth it in the long run to get to the point where cherry tomatoes are like gobbstoppers. It will really making "bingeing" or anything of the sort nearly impossible. 1C of ice cream for when you do indulge will make you feel psychologically full/satisfied.

F5be4be097edc85690c12d67ee1a27c0

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on August 01, 2012
at 07:42 PM

You stated that your hopes are to make bland food more palatable in the end. But you earlier stated that palatable foods lead to excessive eating. Are you hoping to overconsume bland food simply because you think bland food is better for you or something? It's certainly not. My point initially was that food is palatable NATURALLY because it is what our body needs. The food was made palatable by nature to attract others to eat its nutrients. i.e. bees and pollen, bears and salmon, dogs and poop.

F5be4be097edc85690c12d67ee1a27c0

(1884)

on August 01, 2012
at 07:41 PM

You stated that your hopes are to make bland food more palatable in the end. But you earlier stated that palatable foods lead to excessive eating. Are you hoping to overconsume bland food simply because you think bland food is better for you or something? It's certainly not. My point initially was that food is palatable NATURALLY because it is what our body needs. The food was made palatable by nature to attract others to eat its nutrients. i.e. bees and honey, bears and salmon, dogs and poop.

Dfeb3c1ef269c5dc03154d1689c14373

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on August 01, 2012
at 07:38 PM

I don't know what you're saying. At all.

Dfeb3c1ef269c5dc03154d1689c14373

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on August 01, 2012
at 07:38 PM

Thanks for the feedback! I was hoping there was some easier shortcut to get to the place you're at--where lettuce is like candy =P But I guess it's just plain time and perseverance =O

F5be4be097edc85690c12d67ee1a27c0

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on August 01, 2012
at 07:37 PM

How is eating normally eating a no reward food? And if your goal is to increase the reward function of bland food, then you are defeating the goal of eating bland food to begin with.

Dfeb3c1ef269c5dc03154d1689c14373

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on August 01, 2012
at 07:35 PM

Didn't know i was difficult to be around. Always appreciate the help! P.S. Go fuck yourself!

F5be4be097edc85690c12d67ee1a27c0

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on August 01, 2012
at 07:33 PM

Food reward IS a reward because it's what your body needs. Foods were created to be palatable to let us know/remember which foods contained the nutrients that we were needing. FAKE food was created with this same 'reward' but does not contain true reward that our body was looking for.

Dfeb3c1ef269c5dc03154d1689c14373

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on August 01, 2012
at 07:29 PM

Food reward is what causes a person to overeat. Food reward in processed food is much higher than unprocessed whole foods. Food palatability is how something tastes and must be at a certain level in order for a person to not feel deprived. When you begin eating bland foods after a long time of eating junk, you feel deprived because the palatability is much less. After your taste buds adapt,you start finding that bland food much more flavorful. Therefore you are eating a diet with much lower food reward-allowing you to eat normally without overdoing it-and at the same time you're not deprived

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7841848bd0c27c64353c583fb7971242

(7275)

on August 01, 2012
at 11:24 PM

There are a few problems I think you could be having.

One might be that your digestive system isn't getting a strong enough signal that you're eating, so digestive enzymes and juices aren't being sufficiently elicited. That you get sleepy after meals makes me wonder if you're not digesting your food well. If this is the case, I would bump up the palatability just a notch, and ratchet back down slowly.

A second might be that your cravings are because you're not getting enough of what you need. Since you're probably cutting out salt from your food, I would recommend adding some salt, to taste, in water. Drink your water plain for the most part, but once a day (away from meals) have a glass with some salt and other goodies (magnesium, citric acid, potassium, etc).

It may also be that you need to prepare your food differently. I think a lot of people confuse some of the concepts around the food reward hypothesis (and rightly so, because it can be confusing). Even though you're cutting down the dopamine response to your food, you still want it to be satiating. That would mean making sure you're getting sufficient micronutrition, by using the best ingredients (fresh, local, organic, pastured, etc) and by preparing foods in a way that best preserves nutrients (cooking food right before you eat it, not having it sit in the fridge for days, gentle cooking methods, etc).

In my own case, it used to be that I would get on a cooking kick and prepare all my own food for a couple weeks, but then get sick of my cooking and end up eating out a lot the next couple weeks. Even though it was tasty, I didn't find my own cooking satisfying. Since I started eating all of my food prepared at home out of necessity (celiac disease), I've gotten better at preparing food, and I'm using higher quality food. Now I eat all my food home-prepared and I find it very satisfying. In fact, I feel dissatisfied eating out.

One thing that may help you is to do a semi-elimination diet. Not to suss out intolerances, but to get used to eating a certain set of foods. While food repetition can increase reward (as in, you know what flavor to expect when you eat a dorito, so your system learns to anticipate that flavor), it can also lower reward (in that there are never any highly rewarding surprises). Make sure to pick foods that you personally find satisfying, and make sure to plug the menu into a nutrient calculator to check if you're close to getting the nutrition you need.

Since your goal is to reduce the amount of food you eat, and you want to reduce cravings and such, I would recommend taking a good multivitamin. By eating less, you're going to get less nutrition than you're used to. And you don't want to set yourself up for failure by fighting nutrient deficiencies. The fact that you're fighting fatigue makes me think you may be low in something.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

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on August 02, 2012
at 06:52 AM

ding ding ding!

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F5be4be097edc85690c12d67ee1a27c0

on August 01, 2012
at 07:18 PM

I still don't understand.

F5be4be097edc85690c12d67ee1a27c0

(1884)

on August 01, 2012
at 07:37 PM

How is eating normally eating a no reward food? And if your goal is to increase the reward function of bland food, then you are defeating the goal of eating bland food to begin with.

F5be4be097edc85690c12d67ee1a27c0

(1884)

on August 01, 2012
at 07:33 PM

Food reward IS a reward because it's what your body needs. Foods were created to be palatable to let us know/remember which foods contained the nutrients that we were needing. FAKE food was created with this same 'reward' but does not contain true reward that our body was looking for.

F5be4be097edc85690c12d67ee1a27c0

(1884)

on August 01, 2012
at 07:42 PM

You stated that your hopes are to make bland food more palatable in the end. But you earlier stated that palatable foods lead to excessive eating. Are you hoping to overconsume bland food simply because you think bland food is better for you or something? It's certainly not. My point initially was that food is palatable NATURALLY because it is what our body needs. The food was made palatable by nature to attract others to eat its nutrients. i.e. bees and pollen, bears and salmon, dogs and poop.

Dfeb3c1ef269c5dc03154d1689c14373

(716)

on August 01, 2012
at 07:38 PM

I don't know what you're saying. At all.

F5be4be097edc85690c12d67ee1a27c0

(1884)

on August 01, 2012
at 07:52 PM

But then again, strawberries are not on a 'bland diet' if it's truly a bland diet.

Dfeb3c1ef269c5dc03154d1689c14373

(716)

on August 01, 2012
at 07:29 PM

Food reward is what causes a person to overeat. Food reward in processed food is much higher than unprocessed whole foods. Food palatability is how something tastes and must be at a certain level in order for a person to not feel deprived. When you begin eating bland foods after a long time of eating junk, you feel deprived because the palatability is much less. After your taste buds adapt,you start finding that bland food much more flavorful. Therefore you are eating a diet with much lower food reward-allowing you to eat normally without overdoing it-and at the same time you're not deprived

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 07:47 PM

@ Jackson- I think sleepyhouse is using food reward and food satisfaction inter-changeably. A food can be rewarding, but not satisfying- that is processed food. Real food (with nutrients in tact) is both rewarding and satisfying, is what I think she is trying to say. However, even then real food will only be satisfying if you actually have a need for what you are eating.

F5be4be097edc85690c12d67ee1a27c0

(1884)

on August 01, 2012
at 07:50 PM

The only thing I can possibly relate to Jackson's point is my taste for strawberries... used to dip them in sugar as a kid. They were too bitter. Once I quit sugar, strawberries are incredibly sweet to me. Green grapes are no longer bitter at all. If the question is how long it took, it took a steady diet of paleo eating with no processed sugar added for a month.

F5be4be097edc85690c12d67ee1a27c0

(1884)

on August 01, 2012
at 07:41 PM

You stated that your hopes are to make bland food more palatable in the end. But you earlier stated that palatable foods lead to excessive eating. Are you hoping to overconsume bland food simply because you think bland food is better for you or something? It's certainly not. My point initially was that food is palatable NATURALLY because it is what our body needs. The food was made palatable by nature to attract others to eat its nutrients. i.e. bees and honey, bears and salmon, dogs and poop.

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0f88641fb8088d0cdd1b5ef810b2d0a4

on December 30, 2012
at 08:55 AM

If I got your question right, you're asking how to redirect your desires from super addictive and tasty junk food to bland food, apart from the use of sheer willpower. Forgive me if I'm way off the mark / hijacking the question, but what I don't get is why you would want to be eating bland food. Good wholesome food doesn't have to be bland. You can incorporate delicious herbs, spices and flavours in your meals, especially in the initial transition period. Also, fresh food is naturally extremely flavourful. Plus, personally my enjoyment of the meal is heightened by a deep personal satisfaction from having made it yourself. After a few weeks, as you note, your tastebuds would have adapted and you can reduce your use of additional flavours.

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07f28815a1910a2efdd4e46df3cdc6b3

on August 02, 2012
at 08:01 AM

I think the concept of palatability and food reward makes more sense to me it I think in terms of HYPER-PALATABILITY vs palatability. HYPER-rewarding vs rewarding. Then the whole food reward thing makes sense. I can understand how Doritos are hyper rewarding and addictive and duck confit is rewarding and satisfying. Do I have this right? I wish the terms weren't so confusing.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 01, 2012
at 09:41 PM

My experience with going on an incredibly bland diet, and I'm going to be honest here -sorry moderators, was -

A massive up-tick in hunger. My body really wanted that reward. I gained weight.

Then my body realized it couldn't get it's fix that way and I found myself having sex with my wife 2x a day and still goin' for some porn. Once I had to limit that...

Suddenly TV seemed interesting for the first time in 10 years.

When I forced myself off that I suffered for 2-3 days, woke up and was feeling much better. Reward is reward and addiction is addiction...

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

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on August 02, 2012
at 06:51 AM

so you're saying you are "addicted" to pleasure? welcome to the human race...

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 02, 2012
at 08:28 PM

Of course everyone is like that but almost no one will own up to it. If you try to step down your reward levels it's inevitable that weird behaviours pop up and you eventually just have to grit your teeth for two weeks and suffer... In the short-term bare knuckle sobriety is kinda the only option if you want to get less addicted to stimuli in general.

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on August 01, 2012
at 09:24 PM

If you're simply having the same problem I did when I made several attempts earlier in life to change my eating habits then my suggestion is take it in stages.

If you eat "like crap" and then decide "I need to get healthy!" you will absolutely, positively, be craving a Big Mac (or your equivalent) by lunch. :-)

I got 'into' Paleo like this -

For about 2 weeks, I made sure we had a vegetable every night w/ dinner. No carbs usually, just meat of some kind and veggies. I like those steamfresh ones you can just toss in the microwave. Maybe it's not "pure" or whatever but bear with me. I changed nothing else consciously.

After that, I started making sure no matter what else I ate, each lunch contained a salad. I kept the dinner part the same, meat/veg. Breakfast was always eggs/bacon for us mostly without toast or pancakes or anything else so that was not an issue. After that month, it was much, much easier for me to 'ditch' the soda and totally ditch the gluten/cakes/cookies, etc. I found after not eating the stuff for several days it didn't taste the same, either. And since I knew how I felt without it, I knew that was what was giving me gas, bloating, headache or whatever else.

I should note I have previously been diagnosed with Hashimoto's Thyroiditis so I take that into account when gauging symptoms and how I am feeling about what I'm eating. For example, in my research I confirmed what I had felt which is that I need more carbs than the traditional paleo diet calls for. I have also heard that things like yeast die-off will contribute to your body craving sugar/carbs in a last ditch effort to hold onto the status quo. I have certainly stopped/started this journey many times simply because getting past the cravings was nigh-impossible! This step-down approach this time seems to have worked where 'cold turkey' was highly frustrating.

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1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

on August 01, 2012
at 07:34 PM

Interesting Jackson. I am very well adapted to low reward foods. For whatever the reason, I got this way by starving myself when I was younger. I noticed that while in treatment, literally any sort of food tasted sensational. Literally, anything, even a piece of lettuce. Fruit was incredibly sweet, and I literally did not understand what people meant when they said they have a sweet tooth and so eat candy (and not fruit). Candy is hyper palatable, and their "palatability receptors" if you will, had become desensitized. This is a good way of looking at the issue. Just like if you abuse cocoaine your dopamine receptors will require more dopamine to feel the same "high," the more you eat hyper-palatable (which means foods that are refined, have added sugar, salt, fat, or flavorings) foods, the more you need to get the same level of "taste satisfaction."

I am afraid the only way to rewire your brain so you have "high palatability receptor sensitivity" would be to do what you can to minimize food reward for however long it takes. YOu can minimize food reward by not adding fats, salt, or sugar to your meals and eating only whole foods.
To this day when I prepare my own foods, I do not typically add salt or fat, exempt for small amounts of oil on salads. That being said, I still eat hyper palatable foods, but that is only when I'm out with others and not on my own time.

I hope this answers your question.

EDIT:

There is a common saying among fitness and bodybuilding competitors when preparing for competition, and I believe there is a lot of truth to it- "If it tastes good, it's not allowed."

F5be4be097edc85690c12d67ee1a27c0

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on August 01, 2012
at 08:05 PM

Oh, I didn't see 'when preparing for competition'. I still disagree on the meats. From everything I see, they consume 30oz a day of lean meats.

F5be4be097edc85690c12d67ee1a27c0

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on August 01, 2012
at 08:06 PM

No thanks, Melimel. I like the palatability of food.

F5be4be097edc85690c12d67ee1a27c0

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on August 01, 2012
at 07:46 PM

Because fitness and bodybuilder competitors consume mass amounts of milk, whey protein shakes, steak, chicken, eggs, etc.

Dfeb3c1ef269c5dc03154d1689c14373

(716)

on August 01, 2012
at 07:38 PM

Thanks for the feedback! I was hoping there was some easier shortcut to get to the place you're at--where lettuce is like candy =P But I guess it's just plain time and perseverance =O

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 07:45 PM

Why is it dumb? It works apparently extremely well for a lot of people. Lalanne also (semi)jokingly said "if it tastes good, spit it out,"

724f0f45eb53919b8c617c3c1ec5fbc5

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on August 01, 2012
at 07:54 PM

Sleepyhouse, it doesn't sound like you are familiar with the concept that Jackson is hacking in this thread. If you're interested in educating yourself, here's a good place to start: http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2011/10/losing-fat-with-simple-food.html You could also search the forum for more info, and/or start your own question. What you're posting isn't contributing anything to the discussion.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 08:54 PM

You are talking about like roided out extemists like Jay Cutler and Ronnie Coleman. Female competitors consume an upwards of 12oz of chicken/fish a day. They do also typically consume 1-3 protein shakes and egg whites though too.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 07:44 PM

...Actually being hungry or in need of a food raises the food satisfaction level too, so you'll get satisfied and fuller quicker.

F5be4be097edc85690c12d67ee1a27c0

(1884)

on August 01, 2012
at 07:44 PM

"If it tastes good, it's not allowed," is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

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on August 02, 2012
at 06:50 AM

i'm familiar with the theory but i really don't think that jackson knows why or what he's doing with it. let's just take lean steak as an example, is that considered bland? add some salt and cook it nice, now it's suddenly rewarding and you'll overeat it? um, no. the hungrier you are, the more you'll eat for the sake of eating. however if we are talking about junk food and empty calories, why not just fill up on real foods before you get to the point of craving junk?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 07:42 PM

Yeah I'm not suggesting you starve yourself. Just do the Seth Roberts type stuff and really minimize palatability. I believe it's probably worth it in the long run to get to the point where cherry tomatoes are like gobbstoppers. It will really making "bingeing" or anything of the sort nearly impossible. 1C of ice cream for when you do indulge will make you feel psychologically full/satisfied.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 07:52 PM

You would be incorrect. I do not know of any competitors that drink any milk. They do drink whey shakes around workouts, which may actually be healthful. They typically eat more green vegetables than anyone on the planet, and they typically eat small (3-6oz) servings of chicken and fish- not large servings of steak.

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on August 01, 2012
at 07:50 PM

I haven't tried going really low-reward myself, because I'm doing okay with not overeating by sticking to simple, low-carb foods. Ketosis works really well to control my appetite.

I've read a fair amount from others experimenting with low-reward diets, though, and I think if I were going to try it I'd do it for defined periods of time, then go back to higher-reward (but still low-carb paleo) foods for a period, then switch back, etc. Like maybe a week on, day or two off, etc. Or go a month then take a week off. Whatever seems doable.

For me feeling really deprived can set off binge behaviors. Especially if I feel like I'm going to be deprived indefinitely. This deprivation/binge cycle sounds like what is happening to you.

Dfeb3c1ef269c5dc03154d1689c14373

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on August 01, 2012
at 08:18 PM

the point is you're supposed to adapt to the initially "depriving" foods so that they're no longer depriving.

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05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

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on August 01, 2012
at 07:33 PM

how have you drawn the conclusion that your fatigue is caused by food, whether highly palatable or bland?

a few thoughts: 1) it's common knowledge that insulin release after eating makes us sleepy.

2) impaired digestion, "adrenal fatigue", hypothyroidism, chronic fatigue, and a whole host of other issues as well as simple vitamin deficiencies would cause fatigue.

3) why do you want "bland" foods? are you trying to live an ascetic life? as long as your foods are clean and healthy for you, there's zero problem in having them taste good, as long as you're not grossly over eating.

4) if you want some sugar, eat some sugar. seriously, just some white sugar mixed with salt, put it in some ice cold water and sip at it. it won't kill you and will probably make you easier to be around.

Dfeb3c1ef269c5dc03154d1689c14373

(716)

on August 01, 2012
at 07:35 PM

Didn't know i was difficult to be around. Always appreciate the help! P.S. Go fuck yourself!

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6957aa39a83861ce7f5e1994a1daa6ca

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on December 29, 2012
at 08:29 PM

LOL this guy can't know how funny his reply was:

Didn't know i was difficult to be around. Always appreciate the help! P.S. Go fuck yourself! ??? jackson Aug 1 at 19:35

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