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Neolethal Booby-Trap (NBT) experiences??

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created July 05, 2011 at 8:16 PM

UGH! I had an experience this past weekend that I can only describe as a "Neolethal Booby-Trap" (NBT):

I decided to try a local "authentic" Spanish restaurant/bar, possessing rave reviews for their variety and quality of tapas and small plates. The menu was very diverse, with many dishes described as being cooked in and/or finished with "garlic butter".

I tried 6 different tapas, all tasting great, and soaked up most of the butter with tiny pieces of their freshly baked bread (paleo cheat, I know).

When I was completely gorged I mentioned to the proprietor how great all the food in garlic butter was. His reply to me was, "Thank you! There actually isn't any butter in anything here. We've been using a great commercial soy product for years, a lot like I Can't Believe It's Not Butter. It's so much healthier!"

N-B-T!!!!!!

I nearly yacked up my entire dinner after hearing that! I was so PISSED OFF! Why didn't he tell me about the franken-oil before I ordered, or at least note it in the menu? What if I were actually deathly allergic to soy? Do I now need to ask the "REAL BUTTER" question everywhere I go, even if the menu says "butter"?

Do any of you have a similar experience where a restaurant, friend or family member pulled a NBT on you? What was your reaction?

As a side note: I had the WORST gas and stomach cramps the whole night after that meal, and couldn't sleep well at all. It might've been all in my head, but it still sucked!

B3c62d89cd47b7d7209b6a99243d0ded

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on August 04, 2011
at 02:01 PM

Now I have a new question to ask when going out for Indian... Thanks for the heads up!

Efc949694a31043bfce9ec86e8235cd7

(970)

on July 06, 2011
at 11:19 PM

Agreed. I'm wondering where this grand diet experiment will lead the poor, unsuspecting populace in 50-60 years. Metabolic meltdown, I'm thinking....such a shame....

Efc949694a31043bfce9ec86e8235cd7

(970)

on July 06, 2011
at 11:17 PM

Veggie-Ghee?? Damn....OK, now Indian is off the list. :(

13c5a9f1678d75b93f269cdcf69f14d5

(2339)

on July 06, 2011
at 09:50 PM

Outbacks gluten free menu is really interesting. I think the seasoned butter is really butter but it has gluten in it.

E7a462d6e99fec7e8f0ddda11b34a770

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on July 06, 2011
at 09:21 PM

Or fat-free whipping cream :(

Efc949694a31043bfce9ec86e8235cd7

(970)

on July 06, 2011
at 05:09 PM

Yeah, admittedly, the bread move wasn't the wisest, either. But I did limit it to 2 small palm-sized slices. I'm not surprised about the MSG, as well. I won't be returning to that neolethal den of death. Ever.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on July 06, 2011
at 01:44 PM

For a second I thought this was going to be about braziers.

E7a462d6e99fec7e8f0ddda11b34a770

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on July 06, 2011
at 01:39 PM

Sara, Isn't worth it at the big chains - and you really don't know whether they are doing what you ask or not. I just go to a local place that I KNOW (because you can see right into the kitchen) uses shell eggs and real butter to cook them.

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(4878)

on July 06, 2011
at 02:38 AM

+1 vote, I'm in the same boat. And people wonder why my kitchen has all the cool gear!

E2b9c679315c7c9c7265783dde89f350

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on July 06, 2011
at 12:20 AM

Simibee- I'm not that surprised. Conventional butter doesn't taste like anything, and until my eyes were opened AND I'd discovered the deliciousness of grassfed butter, I preferred the taste of margarine. In fact, my husband still complains when I set butter on the table instead of "his butter". He just doesn't complain as much since Kerrygold actually tastes like something.

1fc9c11cf23b2f62ac78979de933ad83

(2435)

on July 06, 2011
at 12:05 AM

So are bra's...

1fc9c11cf23b2f62ac78979de933ad83

(2435)

on July 06, 2011
at 12:04 AM

I knew about the batter. Just ask them to use fresh eggs.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 05, 2011
at 10:29 PM

primalgirl its wonderful how you did. i would like to see a picture how you come up with your own pots. Maybe you can describe it detailed. or make a photoe. its osund very nice. For this reason im very happy to live in germany. still the crap food is much better. We havent go this amount of frankenfoods. Our supermarkets are smaller. in scandinavia are also this kind of big supermarket. especially in finnland and france. there is something also going on in germany still its a bit small scale.

016de26fe61daf799662d3b7b2468324

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on July 05, 2011
at 10:23 PM

Places like the Keg Steakhouse (in Canada & a few in the US I think) use real whipped butter for the bread and drawn butter for seafood. Most places go for the cheap crap.

Efc949694a31043bfce9ec86e8235cd7

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on July 05, 2011
at 10:18 PM

Awww, shucks....Thanks, Simibee! :)

Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

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on July 05, 2011
at 10:04 PM

@ Ricechek - has anyone ever told you that you have a beautiful mind?

Efc949694a31043bfce9ec86e8235cd7

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on July 05, 2011
at 09:54 PM

A nanomolecular olfactory sensor would be even better for a Paleonator. I can imagine sniffing the food on my plate, then saying in monotone, "F*ck you, @sshole". I'd finish by blasting the plate with my concealed, sawed-off 12 gauge and storming off. *giggle*

D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on July 05, 2011
at 09:41 PM

Episodes like these make me wish that I had a Terminator T-X style ability to determine molecular composition of something by just tasting with the tip of my tongue.

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(12379)

on July 05, 2011
at 09:39 PM

blergh - pancake batter in eggs - that is just disgusting - wtf is wrong with the world?!

Efc949694a31043bfce9ec86e8235cd7

(970)

on July 05, 2011
at 09:38 PM

Seriously?? Brushed-on gluten to simulate grill marks?? I'm speechless....Food in America truly seems like a grand conspiracy and uncontrolled experiment on the population! :(

Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

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on July 05, 2011
at 09:35 PM

+1 for scaring me off the "safe" huge lump of meat option! PS I love the retro style profile pic, you look super cute in it. Now I'm going to have Glenn Miller songs stuck in my head for the rest of the day. ;)

Efc949694a31043bfce9ec86e8235cd7

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on July 05, 2011
at 09:34 PM

PANCAKE BATTER??? AAAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!! Good thing I stopped ordering scrambled eggs at restaurants (mainly because I couldn't stomach a vat of whipped eggs sitting around in their kitchen for hours). I've been reduced to ordering 3 eggs poeached in a bowl wherever I go for breakfast. :(

Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

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on July 05, 2011
at 09:32 PM

Chefs often seem hostile to special dietary requirements; they generally concern themselves with what tastes best, so the real butter hatred is rather surprising.

Efc949694a31043bfce9ec86e8235cd7

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on July 05, 2011
at 09:23 PM

WOW! I can understand adding something like citric acid to fruit salad, but wheat glucose and veggie oil? What's even more disappointing is how brainwashed all my chef friends are about wheat, seed oils, soy and other NADs. They all roll their eyes at me like I'm talking about UFOs, and they scowl when I insist on my food being cooked exclusively in REAL butter. :(

Efc949694a31043bfce9ec86e8235cd7

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on July 05, 2011
at 08:52 PM

It floors me how much of a stranglehold canola oil and soybean oil has on the restaurant industry!

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

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on July 05, 2011
at 08:48 PM

welcome to my world! Allergic to soy and I'm always sick when I eat out anymore! Waiters will just say, oh no problem 'it was just a little bit', if I discover something in my food.....

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on July 05, 2011
at 08:22 PM

You'd be amazed at how many restaurants use butter substitutes or butter mixed with margarine. At least he didn't lie. I was at one restaurant and I knew that the butter was not real butter because it was brought out cold and yet could be spreadable. The waitress said it was butter, but I asked her to check with the chef and it turned out it was butter with canola margarine.

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D5ef6397b5e2fd6fe5f093da5e3d403b

(742)

on July 05, 2011
at 09:18 PM

Yes. You have to ask EVERYWHERE. Not only do most restaurants use soy oil, it is HYDROGENATED soy oil. That's what they're cooking your food in, too, so beware. It's not just the butter on the table. I have not had any success in getting anything fried in butter recently at all - the best solution a small mom and pop place could give me last week was canola oil, which I declined. Any large chain restaurant you are S-O-L. I suggest bringing your own butter. When I eat at a place like Red Lobster, I bring my own butter, my own melting pot, my own tea-light candle and matches. I stare defiantly at the staff, DARING them to say something to me, but no one ever has. They know the "butter" they serve is actually hydrogenated oil. Why do you think it doesn't EVER congeal?!?!? Sorry, now I'm getting pissed off all over again. I had a similar experience as you, to include migraines and diarrhea, after being reassured that the "butter" was indeed "butter." I eat out less than once a month because of this crap. Oh, and did you know that most steaks, chicken, etc. are brushed with a solution containing gluten before they're cooked? It's what gives the meat the "grill marks." And what makes me very, very ill. I didn't know this until Outback Steakhouse offered "gluten free steaks" and a waiter explained it to me. Have fun, kids. It's a dangerous, effed up world out there.

Efc949694a31043bfce9ec86e8235cd7

(970)

on July 05, 2011
at 09:38 PM

Seriously?? Brushed-on gluten to simulate grill marks?? I'm speechless....Food in America truly seems like a grand conspiracy and uncontrolled experiment on the population! :(

Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

(6433)

on July 05, 2011
at 09:35 PM

+1 for scaring me off the "safe" huge lump of meat option! PS I love the retro style profile pic, you look super cute in it. Now I'm going to have Glenn Miller songs stuck in my head for the rest of the day. ;)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 05, 2011
at 10:29 PM

primalgirl its wonderful how you did. i would like to see a picture how you come up with your own pots. Maybe you can describe it detailed. or make a photoe. its osund very nice. For this reason im very happy to live in germany. still the crap food is much better. We havent go this amount of frankenfoods. Our supermarkets are smaller. in scandinavia are also this kind of big supermarket. especially in finnland and france. there is something also going on in germany still its a bit small scale.

13c5a9f1678d75b93f269cdcf69f14d5

(2339)

on July 06, 2011
at 09:50 PM

Outbacks gluten free menu is really interesting. I think the seasoned butter is really butter but it has gluten in it.

016de26fe61daf799662d3b7b2468324

(688)

on July 05, 2011
at 10:23 PM

Places like the Keg Steakhouse (in Canada & a few in the US I think) use real whipped butter for the bread and drawn butter for seafood. Most places go for the cheap crap.

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11dff0119e8ca2babb4acf40a5ef6ac4

(233)

on July 05, 2011
at 09:29 PM

Seriously, I've given up when it comes to restaurants. I ask my questions, and I do my best to avoid the things that are real problems for me (gluten-free for 10 years), but in the end, it's all a best guess kind of thing because so many places either don't know or don't care.

My advice: Learn to love to cook. It's the only way to be sure.

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(4878)

on July 06, 2011
at 02:38 AM

+1 vote, I'm in the same boat. And people wonder why my kitchen has all the cool gear!

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E7a462d6e99fec7e8f0ddda11b34a770

(1638)

on July 05, 2011
at 09:26 PM

Yeah, the bottle labeled "Olive Oil" on the salad bar in the cafeteria at work is actually an olive/canola blend. The guy was arguing with me - I knew by the taste it wasn't the real thing - until I MADE him go look at the original packaging. At least he had the grace to blush when he came back and told me I was right.

And everybody knows that the reason the scrambled eggs are SOOOO fluffy at some chain breakfast restaurants is that they put a little bit of pancake batter in them, right? Oh ... you DIDN'T know about THAT one?

E7a462d6e99fec7e8f0ddda11b34a770

(1638)

on July 06, 2011
at 01:39 PM

Sara, Isn't worth it at the big chains - and you really don't know whether they are doing what you ask or not. I just go to a local place that I KNOW (because you can see right into the kitchen) uses shell eggs and real butter to cook them.

1fc9c11cf23b2f62ac78979de933ad83

(2435)

on July 06, 2011
at 12:04 AM

I knew about the batter. Just ask them to use fresh eggs.

Medium avatar

(12379)

on July 05, 2011
at 09:39 PM

blergh - pancake batter in eggs - that is just disgusting - wtf is wrong with the world?!

Efc949694a31043bfce9ec86e8235cd7

(970)

on July 05, 2011
at 09:34 PM

PANCAKE BATTER??? AAAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!! Good thing I stopped ordering scrambled eggs at restaurants (mainly because I couldn't stomach a vat of whipped eggs sitting around in their kitchen for hours). I've been reduced to ordering 3 eggs poeached in a bowl wherever I go for breakfast. :(

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Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

(6433)

on July 05, 2011
at 09:16 PM

It's crazy how even the most innocuous and Paleo-seeming foods can harbour hidden nasties. It's reached the point where I feel almost as if there's some sort of conspiracy, where industrial food manufacturers are actively looking for ways to adulterate the food supply.

Case in point: I had some fruit salad at a friend's house the other day. Afterwards, when I casually complimented her on it, she told me it was pre-made. I helped her tidy up, and almost choked when I picked up the packet. Not only had it been sweetened with wheat glucose syrup, but vegetable oil had been used as a "glazing agent" on some of the dried fruits.

So that's all 3 Neolithic agents of disease, handily smuggled into a perfectly Paleo food, all for your health and convenience!

It's come to a pretty poor pass that we can't even control what goes into our mouths, unless we make it from scratch, in our own kitchen, with our own two hands.

/ranting

Anyway what I guess I meant to say was; yes, I feel your pain, and empathise with your inevitable slow descent into food paranoia. ;)

Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

(6433)

on July 05, 2011
at 09:32 PM

Chefs often seem hostile to special dietary requirements; they generally concern themselves with what tastes best, so the real butter hatred is rather surprising.

E2b9c679315c7c9c7265783dde89f350

(1303)

on July 06, 2011
at 12:20 AM

Simibee- I'm not that surprised. Conventional butter doesn't taste like anything, and until my eyes were opened AND I'd discovered the deliciousness of grassfed butter, I preferred the taste of margarine. In fact, my husband still complains when I set butter on the table instead of "his butter". He just doesn't complain as much since Kerrygold actually tastes like something.

Efc949694a31043bfce9ec86e8235cd7

(970)

on July 05, 2011
at 09:23 PM

WOW! I can understand adding something like citric acid to fruit salad, but wheat glucose and veggie oil? What's even more disappointing is how brainwashed all my chef friends are about wheat, seed oils, soy and other NADs. They all roll their eyes at me like I'm talking about UFOs, and they scowl when I insist on my food being cooked exclusively in REAL butter. :(

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34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

(4171)

on July 05, 2011
at 10:45 PM

Tigger's are experts at trappin' boobies!

1fc9c11cf23b2f62ac78979de933ad83

(2435)

on July 06, 2011
at 12:05 AM

So are bra's...

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A0b8c4cc369f93ee987ce15b1bf323fe

on July 06, 2011
at 05:16 PM

"vegetable ghee", that is like saying "non-dairy creamer". shudders...

E7a462d6e99fec7e8f0ddda11b34a770

(1638)

on July 06, 2011
at 09:21 PM

Or fat-free whipping cream :(

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E7be2ce38158357f5dacae07b43d1b29

on July 06, 2011
at 04:44 PM

The gluten in the bread was probably as bad or worse than the hydrogenated oil, and also likely had some seed oil in it as well. You also probably got huge doses of MSG, too, especially if they had any "Sazon Goya" in the back.

Efc949694a31043bfce9ec86e8235cd7

(970)

on July 06, 2011
at 05:09 PM

Yeah, admittedly, the bread move wasn't the wisest, either. But I did limit it to 2 small palm-sized slices. I'm not surprised about the MSG, as well. I won't be returning to that neolethal den of death. Ever.

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7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

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on July 06, 2011
at 05:42 PM

ahahah. That's gross, but I'm not surprised at all. My first and current jobs were back of house in casual dining restaurants, I recommend it to anyone who wants to be stunned at the sheer amount of gross crap that goes into the food. It's unfortunate but given that frankenfats are cheap and most customers don't care, I don't blame the restaurants. The owner is a bit of an idiot for misleading customers by labeling soy margarine as butter. One day he'll have a customer with a real soy allergy and, though it's technically the customer's responsibility to inform the restaurant of allergies, he should still know better than to mislead people like that. How hard is it to put "may contain soy" on the menu at least?

Can't believe how full of disgusting non-foods our food system is, it's like some kind of cruel joke being played on the human race : how much of this stuff will they shovel into their mouths before they realise how sick it's making them?

Efc949694a31043bfce9ec86e8235cd7

(970)

on July 06, 2011
at 11:19 PM

Agreed. I'm wondering where this grand diet experiment will lead the poor, unsuspecting populace in 50-60 years. Metabolic meltdown, I'm thinking....such a shame....

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B3c62d89cd47b7d7209b6a99243d0ded

on August 04, 2011
at 02:08 PM

I find that I still have good luck at Eco-crazed or locavore restaurants. They at least love discussing exactly what is in their food and don't do any cutesy renaming that leads me down to poisonous path.

Also, sashimi is hard to adulterate!

Update for a upstate NY locavore place I love... Check this menu out!

http://circarestaurant.net/menu/

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9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on July 06, 2011
at 05:09 PM

Oh, I thought I'd found a really great Indian restaurant because they said they cook their food in ghee. But when I questioned them further I found it was the dreaded vegetable ghee, which is really just hydrogenated vegetable oil and probably worse than the standard canola oil...

Efc949694a31043bfce9ec86e8235cd7

(970)

on July 06, 2011
at 11:17 PM

Veggie-Ghee?? Damn....OK, now Indian is off the list. :(

B3c62d89cd47b7d7209b6a99243d0ded

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on August 04, 2011
at 02:01 PM

Now I have a new question to ask when going out for Indian... Thanks for the heads up!

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