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Do you consult any non-paleo sources of information?

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Created August 16, 2011 at 6:59 PM

Do you consult any non-paleo sources of information?

Sometimes my friends criticize me for getting all of my information from one source - the paleo blogosphere - which biases the type of information to which I am exposed. This criticism rings true enough to cause me concern, but I'm not sure how to diversify my roster of information sources.

I'm interested in hearing about how y'all think about and handle non-paleo sources of information about nutrition and health.

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on August 17, 2011
at 12:44 PM

I 2nd the Cheeseslave and Weston A. Price. I also like Dana Carpender at http://holdthetoast.com/.

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on August 17, 2011
at 10:31 AM

have you made any progress in the direction you are/were wanting to? Do YOU feel better? If so, then you know it is working and that is all the science you need. People just always want a book or article by some scientist to prove that this is right... the proof is in the pudding though - obviously our great ancestors were doing something right.. they kept reproducing smart people

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on August 17, 2011
at 08:18 AM

Yeah that's the one I linked to. Looks like we got some good answers this time.

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on August 17, 2011
at 03:26 AM

w o r d !

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on August 17, 2011
at 02:04 AM

link doesn't work, but check out the site yourself. or tell me why you think it sucks.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 17, 2011
at 02:02 AM

sorry, bad link! here it is: http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/cgi-bin/list_nut_edit.pl

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 17, 2011
at 02:01 AM

not at all. if you want to know the nutritional breakdown of a given food, where do you go? why would this be facetious? here's the entry for almonds, 1oz: http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/cgi-bin/list_nut_edit.pl pretty informative, no?

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on August 17, 2011
at 01:38 AM

Hoping this is facetious

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on August 17, 2011
at 01:36 AM

Yeah....the Alaska episode where the crab is so good it puts him in a near trance is my favorite...but the pepper sauce episodes give me sympathetic nausea....

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on August 17, 2011
at 01:35 AM

I tried a similar question ^^^ with no results.

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on August 17, 2011
at 12:13 AM

I completely agree with the scientific papers. It is a bit of a catch 22 though. Even if you are well versed in how to read these studies in general, you also have to be well versed in the subject matter to start with just to determine if their methods are reasonable and conclusions follow. I've seen plenty of papers whose conclusions or abstracts totally don't make sense when compared to the actual results. Fun stuff though to get you moving on some original thought rather than relying on blog icons.

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on August 17, 2011
at 12:07 AM

Man vs. Food is just heaven....

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on August 16, 2011
at 11:01 PM

Interesting - I do that too.

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on August 16, 2011
at 07:21 PM

Agreed about adding the paleo part.

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on August 16, 2011
at 07:18 PM

Somewhat related question, but with no answers: http://paleohacks.com/questions/58489/list-of-good-non-paleo-blogs

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on August 16, 2011
at 07:00 PM

I get most of my info from scientific papers, which are decidedly not paleo, but I have found that when I want to get relevant info on something, it is often better to search for "X paleo" than simply "X."

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on August 17, 2011
at 12:13 AM

I completely agree with the scientific papers. It is a bit of a catch 22 though. Even if you are well versed in how to read these studies in general, you also have to be well versed in the subject matter to start with just to determine if their methods are reasonable and conclusions follow. I've seen plenty of papers whose conclusions or abstracts totally don't make sense when compared to the actual results. Fun stuff though to get you moving on some original thought rather than relying on blog icons.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on August 16, 2011
at 07:21 PM

Agreed about adding the paleo part.

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on August 16, 2011
at 11:01 PM

Interesting - I do that too.

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on August 16, 2011
at 08:52 PM

I typically check out the "health" section of Google news a few times a week to see what kind of information is floating around in mainstream awareness.

It's helpful for me because I typically work with people who are not remotely involved in the Paleo/Primal world and I need to know what they are working with (or working without).

Over the years, I've read all sorts of food/diet/health books including Paul Chek ("How to eat, move..."), Geneen Roth ("When Food is Love"), "Intuitive Eating", "The Obesity Myth", Michael Pollan ("The Botany of Desire", "An Eater's Manual", "The Omnivore's Dilemma"), Anthony Bourdain (all except his first novel), Fit for Life (the hard-core "food combining book" that actually parallels some aspects of Nora Gedgaudas' Primal Body Primal Mind book), Eric Schlosser ("Fast Food Nation"), "Eat Right for your type" (metabolic typing), etc.

Ultimately, I turned to a philosophy of eating based on Paleo/Primal because it has withstood logical, scientific, and n=1 scrutiny better than anything else I have yet to come across.

This does not preclude or prevent me from continuing to expose myself to divergent sources of information because ultimately I am concerned with "optimal" health rather engaging in the defense of any particular method or school of thought.

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on August 17, 2011
at 03:26 AM

w o r d !

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on August 16, 2011
at 08:29 PM

I try to read as much from proponents of other diets as possible to challenge my ideas.

For example today I went to 30bananasaday and it turned out not only is it interesting to read about it laughing my ass off about the stupid arguments is therapeutic, too!

Just kidding. But seriously, I am always interested in different diet concepts and read those books to find new information and think about it or apply it for myself.

That's the way I went to paleo. I was eating raw vegan but realized that it's absolutely not the way to go if I want to be healthy.

But I have to admit, besides books but regarding blogs and internet sources I get 90% of my information from paleo/lowcarb/wapf related blogs. Don't know many other good sources, honestly.

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on August 16, 2011
at 09:09 PM

Hey, I was about to tell you about "natural hygiene" as a different source. Had a professor some years back that was a part of this society and he promoted notions you would find in "Diet for a New America" by Tony Robbins.

But then I checked out their web site and got this...

No INHS-defined diet We do not define the best diet centrally in INHS. Instead we have several influential theories, promoted by different NH doctors. Today e.g. the paleolithic low-carb diet, the instincto-omnivorous diet, and the lacto-ovo vegetarian diet, see below.

But, we have several members including doctors that prefer Dr. Shelton's vegan (100% plant-based) diet concept from 1928, slightly modified, or even the high-fruit (fruitarian) version of this diet. Individuals using any diet are welcome in INHS. But INHS does not recommend any vegan or fruitarian diet theories to the public. Why? Because there are too many question marks. Too many hygienists and others have died or become severely damaged using these diets for a long time. A short time is fine. But these diets are inadequate and must be supplemented (e.g. with B12 and omega-3). Dr. Shelton himself was a lacto-vegetarian (used clabbered milk), as was Dr. Esser (used goat milk), even though they preferred and promoted a diet without animal foods. The vegan and fruitarian diets can truly be called idealistic diets, not realistic diets. Click here for an INHS position statement about diet. And click here for more about the case against veganism.

So, it seems this society has changed their take on diet in the past 15 or so years. Cool!

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on August 16, 2011
at 08:20 PM

Absolutely! In fact I learned some great stuff from John Robbins book Healthy as 100 despite the fact he is a vegetarian advocate (has a lot of great information and aging with a positive attitude and habits that coincide with aging well). Though not pure paleo I love listening and reading stuff produced by Jack Lalane (he was the man, must of done something right). This probably doesn't count, but Sally Fallon and the Westen Price Foundation are full of great stuff. Can we Live to 150 also has a lot of great information, though there is a lot of questionable stuff as well. As long as you have a healthy skepticism I find there is a lot of great information in a number of places. Even within the Paleo blogosphere I question most of what I read. The one accurate thing people Stephan Guyeret, Masterjohn and many others say beyond all else, is that we really don't know anything yet.

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on August 17, 2011
at 10:02 AM

Yeah, I consult the Weston A. Price Foundation. I don't ever care what main stream media says.. they have never gotten us anywhere good. I also read TheHealthyHomeEconomist.com and Cheeseslave.com

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on August 17, 2011
at 12:44 PM

I 2nd the Cheeseslave and Weston A. Price. I also like Dana Carpender at http://holdthetoast.com/.

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on August 17, 2011
at 04:47 AM

I read anything that might help me understand metabolic syndrome, obesity and how the body regulates itself. I've read about things you wouldn't immediately think were even relevant, like say, the work Ancel Keys did regarding starvation, which tells you a whole lot about why most diets don't work. I've done a lot of reading about intuitive eating too, because I think that relearning how to trust our bodies and not obsess over food is an important part of health. And, if anything, I think the paleo movement fails people in this area. I still see a whole lot of obsessing going on with people feeling like they have to micromanage their bodies. I would never even think of limiting myself to the paleo community. I am mainly here because what paleo dieters are eating fits in fairly well with everything else I have learned.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 17, 2011
at 01:36 AM

hey the government's nutrition database is still where it's at: http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/

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on August 17, 2011
at 02:04 AM

link doesn't work, but check out the site yourself. or tell me why you think it sucks.

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on August 17, 2011
at 01:38 AM

Hoping this is facetious

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 17, 2011
at 02:01 AM

not at all. if you want to know the nutritional breakdown of a given food, where do you go? why would this be facetious? here's the entry for almonds, 1oz: http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/cgi-bin/list_nut_edit.pl pretty informative, no?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on August 17, 2011
at 02:02 AM

sorry, bad link! here it is: http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/cgi-bin/list_nut_edit.pl

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on August 16, 2011
at 10:40 PM

Diet and nutrition books don't interest me at all. But I've learned a lot incidentally, in reading Parkman's observations on the plains buffalo hunters, and Naipaul's observations of vegetarianism. I like watching what Raichlen's grilling or smoking on TV. And I like reading cookbooks of all kinds.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on August 17, 2011
at 12:07 AM

Man vs. Food is just heaven....

Medium avatar

(10611)

on August 17, 2011
at 01:36 AM

Yeah....the Alaska episode where the crab is so good it puts him in a near trance is my favorite...but the pepper sauce episodes give me sympathetic nausea....

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on August 13, 2013
at 04:20 AM

I do consult non-paleo sources of information, even if info about how saturated fat is evil or vegetarians live longer pisses me off.

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2ab6415f5f20b8fe1d34a94c7be85e6a

on August 17, 2011
at 12:56 AM

Epic Meal Time is very informative

No but seriously ya to keep myself in check i like to see all points of view so i still read a few vegan blogs.

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