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What do Paleo people believe in ?

Commented on August 14, 2014
Created August 13, 2014 at 11:29 AM

I am the kind of person that rejects anything illogical. I just read some about deism and it seems that my belief can be best described as deism.

I want to know what other paleo and evolution/science adherents believe here, and what they think about deism if they have any thought...

I also saw this page and though what it tries to tell must be different, I did not like it, so I'm not sure about what to do with World Union of Deists :

http://www.deism.com/jewishsuperiority.htm

PS: More accurately, I believe in endless possibilities including things like an infinite number of creators creating each other and maybe resulting with polydeism for us, but to be honest, deism sounds like a better deal for a peaceful world today. I think you may find these interesting:

http://blog.ted.com/2013/03/14/open-for-discussion-graham-hancock-and-rupert-sheldrake/

PS: Also, those believing in Abrahamic religions, what do you think about Zeitgeist The Movie - Part 1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a36_CwzA0bk

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on August 14, 2014
at 09:58 AM

Is there such a thing as a real theology? IMO, they're all faux.

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on August 14, 2014
at 02:42 AM

While I'm basically an atheist, Zeitgeist is rife with misinformation and doesn't make a good case against religion. It is faux theology.

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on August 13, 2014
at 06:55 PM

I do know quite a bit about linguistics. And to claim that a language, and the associated cultural history is "ambiguous" is insincere. Just because a language has outlasted it's usefulness is not the same as saying its illogical to try to communicate.

And carefully constructing a piece of art (be it drawings or poetry) to elicit an emotional response is actually quite logical and thought out. Your lips example is much easier to understand than,"her lips were like the RGB color 255 0 0". And as such represent a logical way of describing an image in a condensed space.

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on August 13, 2014
at 06:43 PM

Appearantly Bboguemaam does not believe in children, or the future, or in Witney Houston.

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on August 13, 2014
at 05:44 PM

I can't believe boogiemaam downvoted this. Wow, tripple wtf!

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on August 13, 2014
at 04:52 PM

I'll definitely have to disagree with you on that statement. Do you know many languages? Language is very ambiguous. Perception of reality changes based on language and the way it shapes our interaction with everything, and it is not universal across the human species. As for poetry etc - while I don't necessarily take this to be true just because I heard it in university, the process of creating poetic metaphors is 'alogical', making leaps from one thing to another when the two are actually unrelated logically - like a 'flowering red wound' as a metaphor to red lips.

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on August 13, 2014
at 04:46 PM

Faith does not have to be blind. I have faith the sun will rise in the morning because it has been demonstrated as a reality beyond doubt. However, belief in evolution is dependent on the "faith" that an endless series of statistically impossible and unaided occurrences allowed even the simplest organism to evolve and exist. Over and over it is said without explanation as to how something occurred. How many miracles were needed to make some uncreated amino acids and uncreated proteins into uncreated millions of highly complex life forms? I think it is worth questioning as you point out.

Ed581d640256a4d2d9b25140df020843

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on August 13, 2014
at 04:33 PM

Here! Here! Sadly, almost no one researches why they believe anything on either side. Either they are comfortable where they are assuming they have the truth, maybe don't care what is true, or they assume truth cannot be found or absolute.

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on August 13, 2014
at 04:30 PM

Language is a constructed, syntactically unambiguous human communications based on logic. Prose poetry, art are logical constructs.

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on August 13, 2014
at 04:18 PM

Pure mathematics is, in its way, the poetry of logical ideas.

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on August 13, 2014
at 03:47 PM

Considering what you're doing is using a logical thinking process (with a lot of presumptions and supposed truths of what consciousness is, what entities are and where the lines are drawn. Just because an old guy said it doesn't make it a fundamental truth of reality. The problem with logic is that what you're saying is often based on a presupposition that may or may not be true.) - to question my belief or lack thereof in logic... well... that's the problem with my take on logic and reason, is that there's rarely a conversation to be had. ;P I apologize.

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on August 13, 2014
at 03:46 PM

Hah. Deep for a Q&A forum, yes, but he did ask what people believed in so it seemed fair game.

And no, I don't believe in logic or reason, just like I don't disbelieve in it. It doesn't really matter. As for your comment: There are other forms of thinking process than logic, otherwise poetry and metaphor would not exist, nor would abstract fiction, art, many things creative.

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on August 13, 2014
at 03:31 PM

re: wiseass answer -- but only if it's one-eyed, one-horned....

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on August 13, 2014
at 03:27 PM

you could say that you believe in knowledge -- of which science is the process. But knowledge changes as the process gains new bits of data. So I'm not sure what the value of belief in knowledge is.

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at 03:25 PM

Science is not something you can believe in. As I stated to bearfoot's answer. Belief requires a state. Science is not a state -- it's a process used to gain knowledge.

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at 03:23 PM

You don't believe in logic?

Logic is not a state (of which belief requires) but rather the process of thinking. And thinking is just the act of consciousness -- which, in turn, is the state of existence for external entities. So you are really saying that you don't believe in existence. That pretty deep for a Q&A Forum which may or may not exist...

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96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on August 13, 2014
at 11:23 PM

@Boogiemaam

But you're totally wrong each and every morning - the sun doesn't rise, rather the earth rotates about its own axis, giving the appearance of a sunrise. Reality is obviously different than just obvious beliefs.

Evolution's had ~4B years to get here, with most organisms taking a few days to evolve (bacteria), and of course much slower once multi-celled organisms evolved. Over such a time line, it's far more than just plausible, it's believable.

If you wish to claim the existence of a designer (God), then who designed God? Who designed God's designer, and who designed God's designer's designer, ad infinitum?

Evolution bootstraps itself. No bearded old man that exists out the blue for no plausible reason for all time. Perhaps it may be more plausible to you to imagine a pre-existing fully omniscient/potent entity, but how does such an entity come about, if not some form of evolution?

Even you wish to claim that life originated elsewhere, then how did it originate if not through evolution? If you wish to claim a designer, then what created that designer if not evolution? Do you wish to claim that the Big Bang created a designer?

You don't have to accept evolution, just as you don't have to accept that sunrise is simply an illusion caused by a nearly-spherical earth rotating about its own wobbly axis, as it makes its way around the same sun in an elliptical orbit. But the scientific idea of the rotation of the earth explains the seasons, the changes of sunrise and sunset, and so on. Just saying you believe the sun will rise tomorrow is both flawed and limited in that it doesn't explain as much as the scientific view.

The universe, and we don't claim to know everything about it, is far more amazingly amazing and miraculous than any religion, superstition belief or the wildest imagination of man. Don't you find it amazing that ancient stars exploded in supernovas to create the very elements that make our bodies, that you're star stuff? That you are sentient? That you exist as a human and not a plant or a mouse or a rock?

Science not only explains evolution, but also even how each of the atoms were created by the Big Bang, which then had a chance to develop into life....

Sing it with me... "In the beginning was the Big Bang, and it was dark, hot, dense and energetic! As it cooled and matter formed, there was light, and hydrogen formed, and coalesced into stars which burned hydrogen in the furnace of gravity into helium and formed, and black holes which begat trillions of galaxies, each which begat trillions of stellar systems, whose trillions of stars died in supernovae, and hypernovae, and made heavy and wonderous elements that did not exist before, and their remnants made more stars, planets, asteroids, comets, and at least on one planet, begat life, and that life competed with itself, devoured itself, and evolved, and changed its own environment, and it became sentient, and managed to explore a little bit outside of its own planet, and visited its own moon, and sent probes outside its own solar system, and learned about the universe and itself and was amazed by it, and it was GOOD!"

Science doesn't require a halelujah, nor an amen, whatever those are. But it is good, so very very good that it DESERVES THEM!

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on August 13, 2014
at 04:27 PM

I find interest in digital physics / taoism / ethical hedonism / epicureanism.

https://www.wolframscience.com/nksonline/page-861

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on August 13, 2014
at 04:25 PM

I am one of jehovahs witnesses who eats Paleo because it's healthy & in harmony with how people ate for a majority of history and weren't plagued with obesity and diabetes. I don't accept evolution, not because I am an illogical hillbilly who is tied down by preconceived ideas about god, but I have researched both sides of the issue including why many highly educated, published, scientists also believe in a creator. We, like desists, don't believe Christendom nor any other major fath represents the creator. Logical argument: http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102011403?q=evolution&p=par

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on August 13, 2014
at 03:35 PM

I believe that children are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way... I never found anyone who fulfilled my needs. And so I learned to depend on me

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on August 13, 2014
at 05:44 PM

I can't believe boogiemaam downvoted this. Wow, tripple wtf!

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on August 13, 2014
at 06:43 PM

Appearantly Bboguemaam does not believe in children, or the future, or in Witney Houston.

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on August 13, 2014
at 03:16 PM

In regards to my post above, I just want to note that I'm not claiming all people who prescribe to the scientific method have blind faith in it. I'm saying that your average person who is not religious but claims to be all for science is not informed enough (and there are a lot of people here who are pretty informed) to be doing anything but 'believing' in it, making it, to me, a modern religion. The millions (billions?) of people who all go for science just don't know enough about it; the scientists and researchers are the priests of their religion, rarely questioned despite being subject to human fallibility within the scientific method.

Ed581d640256a4d2d9b25140df020843

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on August 13, 2014
at 04:33 PM

Here! Here! Sadly, almost no one researches why they believe anything on either side. Either they are comfortable where they are assuming they have the truth, maybe don't care what is true, or they assume truth cannot be found or absolute.

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at 03:02 PM

I wouldn't call it a belief, but in a word: science. (You really can't use the word belief or faith with the scientific process.)

Alternate wiseass answer: flying spaghetti-squash monster, so it's gluten free. :)

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on August 13, 2014
at 03:27 PM

you could say that you believe in knowledge -- of which science is the process. But knowledge changes as the process gains new bits of data. So I'm not sure what the value of belief in knowledge is.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on August 13, 2014
at 03:31 PM

re: wiseass answer -- but only if it's one-eyed, one-horned....

Ed581d640256a4d2d9b25140df020843

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on August 13, 2014
at 04:46 PM

Faith does not have to be blind. I have faith the sun will rise in the morning because it has been demonstrated as a reality beyond doubt. However, belief in evolution is dependent on the "faith" that an endless series of statistically impossible and unaided occurrences allowed even the simplest organism to evolve and exist. Over and over it is said without explanation as to how something occurred. How many miracles were needed to make some uncreated amino acids and uncreated proteins into uncreated millions of highly complex life forms? I think it is worth questioning as you point out.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on August 13, 2014
at 03:25 PM

Science is not something you can believe in. As I stated to bearfoot's answer. Belief requires a state. Science is not a state -- it's a process used to gain knowledge.

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on August 13, 2014
at 02:59 PM

I don't believe in anything, including logic. I think that science has become a religion and like most religious people, those who believe in it are blind to its flaws and weaknesses. I think there's a lot of hubris in the idea that for thousands of years we were doing it 'wrong' and now with science we're finally doing it 'right', finding the 'truth'. I don't prescribe to either being right or wrong. It's like the idea that evolution is "going somewhere", when it's just change, neither upward nor downward moving. It just is.

I'm a zen buddhist (can you tell? haha), but I wouldn't call it a belief so much as an approach or idea. It's a constant questioning, making belief a nonissue.

I try to do what works, and what brings compassion and connection into the world, because that's the kind of world I want to live in. Not because it's 'right'.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on August 13, 2014
at 04:18 PM

Pure mathematics is, in its way, the poetry of logical ideas.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on August 13, 2014
at 06:55 PM

I do know quite a bit about linguistics. And to claim that a language, and the associated cultural history is "ambiguous" is insincere. Just because a language has outlasted it's usefulness is not the same as saying its illogical to try to communicate.

And carefully constructing a piece of art (be it drawings or poetry) to elicit an emotional response is actually quite logical and thought out. Your lips example is much easier to understand than,"her lips were like the RGB color 255 0 0". And as such represent a logical way of describing an image in a condensed space.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on August 13, 2014
at 04:30 PM

Language is a constructed, syntactically unambiguous human communications based on logic. Prose poetry, art are logical constructs.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on August 13, 2014
at 03:23 PM

You don't believe in logic?

Logic is not a state (of which belief requires) but rather the process of thinking. And thinking is just the act of consciousness -- which, in turn, is the state of existence for external entities. So you are really saying that you don't believe in existence. That pretty deep for a Q&A Forum which may or may not exist...

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