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Does anyone have any info and especially research studies on paleo for cardiac rehab/atherosclerosis regression. I had a heart attacjk 10 days ago and would like to pursue this with Drs but can only find stuff on Ornish and Esseltyn

Answered on November 09, 2013
Created November 01, 2013 at 11:47 AM

Does anyone have any info on Paleo for cardiac rehab

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on November 05, 2013
at 12:52 PM

I've never read the book (disqualify me from talking about PHD if you like), but the snippets I've seen haven't been the best science I've seen on the subject. His carbohydrate recommendation, as I've seen it, is justified in a convoluted way.

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on November 04, 2013
at 11:50 PM

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on November 04, 2013
at 11:00 PM

@LAFruitGoblin..What had diabetes got to do with this post?? and why are you being so disrespectful to Matt?? You are showing vegan style hostility, judging by your pic & comments i'm guessing you are in that camp. Which begs the question, why are you here?? Go & give you opinion to like minded folk instead of attacking people on here.

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on November 04, 2013
at 08:55 AM

"Maybe PHD, though I think Jaminet's only right in his recommendation, his/their science is iffy." Could you please expand on that? Why do you think his/their science is iffy?

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on November 04, 2013
at 01:39 AM

I don't think I recommended anything like you did. I am, indeed, recommending "classical" Cordain-esque paleo - low saturated fat, high MUFA/PUFA, lower carbohydrate. Not Paleo 2.0, chug coconut milk 24/7 paleo. Maybe PHD, though I think Jaminet's only right in his recommendation, his/their science is iffy.

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on November 03, 2013
at 05:45 PM

My dad had a similar event three years ago. He switched to eating the same way I wrote above, and wouldn't you know, he got better. Also, I couldn't give less of a shit about the "clinical data" claimed by Ornish and Esselstyn, mostly because low fat/high carb diets are what's killing millions of people yearly, and also because I can find as much if not more clinical data claiming the exact opposite of what those doctors claim;

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on November 03, 2013
at 04:31 PM

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on November 03, 2013
at 04:29 PM

arf arf, bow wow

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on November 03, 2013
at 04:23 PM

Never heard of that book.

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on November 03, 2013
at 02:00 PM

You basically say the same as I do but downvote my post? You're the troll here.

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on November 03, 2013
at 01:50 PM

Troll elsewhere.

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on November 03, 2013
at 01:21 PM

Just finished reading "the wheat belly" or similar biased works, and now thinking you got it all figured out? I feel sorry for you.

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on November 03, 2013
at 12:32 PM

Are you stupid?!

Carbs are what caused his heart attack in the first place!

OP, ignore the idiot above.

High fat and high protein(roughly 45/45/10 ratio of fat/protein/carbs).

The benefit of this is that the increased fat intake could actually promote muscular rejuvenation in the heart, while the protein and cholesterol from eating meat and omega3 would provide all the building blocks needed to rebuild.

Also, don't eat just muscle tissue, but organ meat as well(brains, lungs and liver)

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on November 09, 2013
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Many thanks to all of you for your comments, reading suggestions and advice.

Mike

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on November 07, 2013
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This was an interesting study for MCTs (similar stuff here.) Also k2. I would start working on making your diet as nutritious as possible (working with your doc.) As a minimum, I would try to adopt a "just eat real food" approach. Palm oil is good stuff. Also, make sure you have adequate electrolytes, low intensity exercise, and all that jazz.

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on November 03, 2013
at 01:52 PM

There's next to no research done on paleo-like diets, but that doesn't mean it's bad, it simply means it's not studied.

Take a plant-centric diet, with good amounts of olive oil, add in fatty fish, and occasionally other meats.

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on November 04, 2013
at 08:55 AM

"Maybe PHD, though I think Jaminet's only right in his recommendation, his/their science is iffy." Could you please expand on that? Why do you think his/their science is iffy?

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on November 03, 2013
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You basically say the same as I do but downvote my post? You're the troll here.

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on November 03, 2013
at 04:31 PM

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arf arf. bow bow.

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on November 02, 2013
at 05:50 AM

I would look at the Perfect Health Diet as a starting point. Also the Archevore:

http://www.archevore.com/get-started/

With your doctors form an exercise plan.

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on November 01, 2013
at 09:47 PM

I would not recommend classical paleo diet after a myocardial infarction. You may try a low-meat high-carb version of it. I think most important is staying relatively low fat (especially low-PUFA) and avoiding excess iron from meats.

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on November 03, 2013
at 01:50 PM

Troll elsewhere.

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on November 03, 2013
at 12:32 PM

Are you stupid?!

Carbs are what caused his heart attack in the first place!

OP, ignore the idiot above.

High fat and high protein(roughly 45/45/10 ratio of fat/protein/carbs).

The benefit of this is that the increased fat intake could actually promote muscular rejuvenation in the heart, while the protein and cholesterol from eating meat and omega3 would provide all the building blocks needed to rebuild.

Also, don't eat just muscle tissue, but organ meat as well(brains, lungs and liver)

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on November 01, 2013
at 08:24 PM

You're in a tough spot. I'm not sure there research is out there. But you may want to look at William Davis' Track Your Plaque blog at www.blog.trackyourplaque.com. Davis is a cardiologist who knows what works for his patients and the people in his Track Your Plaque program.

Scroll down on the left hand side you'll come to the list of topics, and he often cites studies when discussing various topics.

Pay attention to the dates of his posts. He believed that saturated fat was dangerous, but changed his mind around 2009, some of the earlier posts warn against it.

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