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What would a low reward meal plan look like?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created December 01, 2011 at 4:36 PM

Please share your ideas for food/meals/recipes that would qualify as low reward.

For example, is butter on a boiled potato too tasty. Only plain potatoes allowed? Are plain sweet potatoes just too tasty? What about coconut oil on a potato? That doesn't sound too tasty too me... No salt at all? What about herbs and spices? Nada?

What would you eat on a low reward adventure?

Ef4c5b09fdccf73be575d3a0c267fdd9

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on December 06, 2011
at 11:36 PM

Best answer I have ever read on paleo hacks for the fact that this situation is hilariously true.

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on December 06, 2011
at 11:23 PM

I actually suggested to my regular Starbucks cashier that they ought to have a cappuccino with lobster shavings on top. She knew me too well to think I wasn't being droll.

E46d4f7e35e46ee4e8211ab4bc852023

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on December 06, 2011
at 10:50 PM

Berries, sushi, dark chocolate, macadamia nuts? These are all I would qualify as high food reward. I could definitely overeat all of the above and enjoy it. Is food reward meant to be this subjective?

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

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on December 06, 2011
at 10:13 PM

Satisfying is almost the opposite of rewarding.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on December 02, 2011
at 03:20 PM

@ Matt exactyly, and Wouldn't the boiled potato with butter and salt still be" less addictive" than the bran cereal? I believe it would be.

Cccb899526fb5908f64176e0a74ed2d9

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on December 02, 2011
at 02:39 PM

Perhaps a better phrasing would be "non-addictive"? For example, I love the taste of unseasoned boiled potatoes to death, but I could never gorge on them like I could on bran cereal, despite not enjoying the latter nearly as much.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on December 02, 2011
at 02:37 PM

And way cheaper than those Sensa sprinkles.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on December 02, 2011
at 02:36 PM

Thanks for the link - helps a lot.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on December 02, 2011
at 02:34 PM

Hahaha. +1 so you don't get any more depressed.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on December 02, 2011
at 01:26 PM

So to actually answer the question: Grass fed rumanent 7-8 oz, one cup rice/potato 2 -3 cups of veggies. 11 am and 5 pm. Bone brooth at 6am. Can it be any simplier! Evidently this is "LOW REWARD". I call it Paleo. I had no idea!

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on December 02, 2011
at 03:52 AM

lmao at this answer...

B1859f696e88d25460a6b8a333412ea3

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on December 02, 2011
at 12:45 AM

I loved plain cold left over semolina pasta. But it had to be cold. But since we don't make pasta anymore, there's no left overs to tempt me.

Aebee51dc2b93b209980a89fa4a70c1e

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on December 01, 2011
at 06:27 PM

If you use a swimmer's nose clip while you eat, you can't taste the food, so *anything* you eat will be low reward.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on December 01, 2011
at 06:23 PM

And thank you, Beth, for actually answering the question.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on December 01, 2011
at 06:22 PM

I was seriously addicted, but only to the gluten/sugar mix. Pasta wasn't sweet enough to fire up the cravings then--I wouldn't dare try it now.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on December 01, 2011
at 06:22 PM

+1 for "If it was near my mouth, in it went!"

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on December 01, 2011
at 06:21 PM

At first, I thought you meant clipping my nose hairs and I was all like "What?!"

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on December 01, 2011
at 06:19 PM

Unfortunately, I married a half-Italian with a gift for cooking. You know, now that I think about it, my mother, of English descent, boiled and cooked the hell out of everything until there was very little taste left. And yet my parents, my 5 siblings and I were all overweight/obese. Probably the processed crap between meals and ice cream after dinner. And she did make awesome pies and cinnamon rolls. If I only ate the hamburger "hockey pucks" perhaps I would have been better off!

Cfc7dee889a66db9cd76c4f348109294

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on December 01, 2011
at 06:18 PM

It's interesting that you consider saltines/spaghetti to be low reward and in some ways I'd agree - although, many report addictive behavior/compulsive consumption when it comes to gluten.

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on December 01, 2011
at 05:05 PM

Sounds WAY too tasty....3 squares of boiled pancreas and collards is a lot less rewarding....

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on December 01, 2011
at 04:58 PM

That doesn't sound bad at all.

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on December 01, 2011
at 04:48 PM

Check out Aravind and Kamal's experience with Losing Fat With Simple Food for lots about their testing of a low reward diet. Here's what they ate:

Representative Daily Diets
- Kamal
???     Breakfast - Berries, Milk protein isolate (unflavored)
???     Lunch - Beef stew (beef, carrot, celery, salt, pepper), Banana
???     Dinner - Steamed fish (fish, salt, pepper, lemon juice), plain spinach, plain squash, Tiny bit of walnuts
???     Snacks - None. Started eating sushi during re-feeds later on. Ate more seasoned Paleo foods with added fat on rare occasions (e.g. BBQ, travelling, hot date)
???     Calories ~ 1100-1200 per day, 3000-4000 on 1x/week re-feed days with added rice
???     Macronutrients ~ 50% protein, 30% carbohydrates, 20% fat (high % protein was to minimize muscle loss due to extremely low calorie consumption)

- Aravind
???     Breakfast ??? boiled eggs, sweet potatoes (or whole milk with whey protein if rushed)
???     Lunch ??? White rice with ghee, green vegetables (okra, spinach, broccoli) cooked in little ghee without spices, full fat (homemade) yogurt
???     Dinner ??? White rice with traditionally prepared lentils, white potatoes, green vegetables, and yogurt; Or spinach salad with mixed veggies, boiled eggs, and ???ghee vinaigrette???
???     Snacks ??? 85-90% dark chocolate, macadamia nuts, bananas (eliminated once diet soda addiction overcome)
???     Calories ~ 1700-1800 per day
???     Macronutrients ~ 55% carbohydrates, 25% fat, 20% protein (pre-experiment ~45% carbs, albeit higher overall calorie consumption)
???     Dietary staples remained unchanged, however seasonings, salt, spices, added fats significantly reduced. Diet soda eliminated. Very limited alcohol consumption

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on December 01, 2011
at 04:58 PM

That doesn't sound bad at all.

Medium avatar

(10611)

on December 01, 2011
at 05:05 PM

Sounds WAY too tasty....3 squares of boiled pancreas and collards is a lot less rewarding....

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on December 01, 2011
at 06:23 PM

And thank you, Beth, for actually answering the question.

E46d4f7e35e46ee4e8211ab4bc852023

(1510)

on December 06, 2011
at 10:50 PM

Berries, sushi, dark chocolate, macadamia nuts? These are all I would qualify as high food reward. I could definitely overeat all of the above and enjoy it. Is food reward meant to be this subjective?

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664efb0a77ab70435f580d6867afa0fa

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on December 01, 2011
at 05:24 PM

My first wife, Margaret, could whip up some amazingly low-reward meals. I think just marrying a terrible cook can be a good start. In retrospect, the entire marriage was low-reward. So shoot me a message and I'll send you her number.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on December 01, 2011
at 06:19 PM

Unfortunately, I married a half-Italian with a gift for cooking. You know, now that I think about it, my mother, of English descent, boiled and cooked the hell out of everything until there was very little taste left. And yet my parents, my 5 siblings and I were all overweight/obese. Probably the processed crap between meals and ice cream after dinner. And she did make awesome pies and cinnamon rolls. If I only ate the hamburger "hockey pucks" perhaps I would have been better off!

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on December 02, 2011
at 03:52 AM

lmao at this answer...

Ef4c5b09fdccf73be575d3a0c267fdd9

(2539)

on December 06, 2011
at 11:36 PM

Best answer I have ever read on paleo hacks for the fact that this situation is hilariously true.

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Dfada6fe4982ab3b7557172f20632da8

(5332)

on December 02, 2011
at 11:59 AM

What would a low reward meal plan look like?

Depressing.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on December 02, 2011
at 02:34 PM

Hahaha. +1 so you don't get any more depressed.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on December 02, 2011
at 01:13 PM

I've been confused by the "food reward" concept for months now.First Stephan and then Harris. Things became much clearer when I read Kamal and Arivand" "low reward "diet. People, the low reward diet is the Paleo diet. And I became convinced that my initial confusion was because I was already doing the "low reward diet" ,by doing the Paleo Diet.I think the confusion that I had and many on the website have with the"low reward concept is that people on this website are not doing the Paleo Diet. Kamal and Arivand , though famous Paleo hack celebrities were not doing the Paleo diet. They were talking about the paleo diet, they were "experts in the Paleo Diet, they were very entertaining pundents of the Paleo Diet , they were going to Paleo conferences. But until they went "low reward" they they not really Paleo enough to accomplish their goals. Their new meals were like my regular meals. My meals are delicious, absolutely delicious. They are 100 % Paleo. Nothing Neolitic at all except Grass fed raw butter/cream). But comparing them to Kamal and Arivand's low reward diet they look nearly Identical. (I do salt my food.) So the bottom line is . This food reward "thing is just Rube Goldberg Paleo. (Google). Paleo is low reward even though potentially deliciious. Low reward is just an awful choice of words. It seems to mean the opposite of what it really is. Long live Kamal and Arivand! And they will live long if they stay "low reward" aka Paleo.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on December 02, 2011
at 03:20 PM

@ Matt exactyly, and Wouldn't the boiled potato with butter and salt still be" less addictive" than the bran cereal? I believe it would be.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on December 02, 2011
at 01:26 PM

So to actually answer the question: Grass fed rumanent 7-8 oz, one cup rice/potato 2 -3 cups of veggies. 11 am and 5 pm. Bone brooth at 6am. Can it be any simplier! Evidently this is "LOW REWARD". I call it Paleo. I had no idea!

Cccb899526fb5908f64176e0a74ed2d9

(2801)

on December 02, 2011
at 02:39 PM

Perhaps a better phrasing would be "non-addictive"? For example, I love the taste of unseasoned boiled potatoes to death, but I could never gorge on them like I could on bran cereal, despite not enjoying the latter nearly as much.

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Cdee7454bccdc4ac14ec23b9657eb573

on December 02, 2011
at 01:08 PM

Click through to see Dr Guyenet's recommendations for low-reward foods: http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2011/06/food-reward-dominant-factor-in-obesity_28.html

-Steve

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on December 02, 2011
at 02:36 PM

Thanks for the link - helps a lot.

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96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on December 01, 2011
at 04:56 PM

Do you live to eat or eat to live? I don't think a low reward menu exists for me.

On SAD, lack of high reward never stopped me from eating too much. For example, I didn't find spaghetti that great but I'd still eat 'til I was stuffed. I could eat a whole sleeve of saltines and I thought they were awful. If it was near my mouth, in it went!

Now that I've fully transitioned to ancestral eating, I only eat when physical hunger becomes strong and then I eat a meal many might consider low reward--I don't spice my food beyond a little salt and pepper and the flavors come from mixing foods. I don't make ancestral baked goods, I usually drink my water kefir without adding fruit juice or sweeteners and my favorite fruit is grapefruit.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on December 01, 2011
at 06:22 PM

I was seriously addicted, but only to the gluten/sugar mix. Pasta wasn't sweet enough to fire up the cravings then--I wouldn't dare try it now.

B1859f696e88d25460a6b8a333412ea3

(837)

on December 02, 2011
at 12:45 AM

I loved plain cold left over semolina pasta. But it had to be cold. But since we don't make pasta anymore, there's no left overs to tempt me.

Cfc7dee889a66db9cd76c4f348109294

(1652)

on December 01, 2011
at 06:18 PM

It's interesting that you consider saltines/spaghetti to be low reward and in some ways I'd agree - although, many report addictive behavior/compulsive consumption when it comes to gluten.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on December 01, 2011
at 06:22 PM

+1 for "If it was near my mouth, in it went!"

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Aebee51dc2b93b209980a89fa4a70c1e

(1982)

on December 01, 2011
at 04:39 PM

You could try nose clipping. Read some of the forums and blogs at Seth Roberts' website to find out more.

Aebee51dc2b93b209980a89fa4a70c1e

(1982)

on December 01, 2011
at 06:27 PM

If you use a swimmer's nose clip while you eat, you can't taste the food, so *anything* you eat will be low reward.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on December 02, 2011
at 02:37 PM

And way cheaper than those Sensa sprinkles.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on December 01, 2011
at 06:21 PM

At first, I thought you meant clipping my nose hairs and I was all like "What?!"

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on December 06, 2011
at 09:53 PM

To think of defining and choosing foods in terms of their lack of being rewarding (satisfying, tasty) is about as appealing to me as defining a departure from my regular diet, as a "cheat."

For many, it appears that "eating well" is to be seen as a form of penance. On the same continuum as sackcloth and ashes, hair shirts, other talismans of the "I am not worthy" worldview.

I do not eat "for pleasure," but if I get to the point where I can allow myself to eat only foods I do not enjoy, I'll become a breatharian. In which case, my "breath reward theory" will place a high priority on roses.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

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on December 06, 2011
at 10:13 PM

Satisfying is almost the opposite of rewarding.

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Cc69a51b427eaad36251cce9dcca4d3a

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on December 06, 2011
at 09:42 PM

steamed broccoli, chicken breast, beef (no salt), plain yams...low reward here i come. (no enthusiasm)

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9b0a4701e373d4dd13831cfb9b13f42d

(1677)

on December 01, 2011
at 05:38 PM

I looked into this for a bit but then realized nobody would have dinner with me if I ate this way. Those seem to be fine for 'stage 1' but come the final and 'sustained stage' your picking 3 food and eating them for as long as you can maintain. Pretty much boiling everything needing cooked, nothing added to any food. Like playing the piano with boxing gloves on if you ask me, yeah your technically playing the piano but nobody including yourself likes it.

Id love to see how it stacks up to Paleo in weight loss and overall sustainability.

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E46d4f7e35e46ee4e8211ab4bc852023

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on December 06, 2011
at 11:09 PM

I think downright nauseating food is the way to go. Sardine-spinach-almond milk shake, any one?

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(8239)

on December 06, 2011
at 11:23 PM

I actually suggested to my regular Starbucks cashier that they ought to have a cappuccino with lobster shavings on top. She knew me too well to think I wasn't being droll.

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