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Why doesn't any body actually eat like a hunter gatherer?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created August 01, 2012 at 2:33 AM

From what I've read and seen in documentaries, hunter gatherers eat the following- charred meat and fish, root vegetables, fruit, berries, honey, nuts, and seeds. Plants are used as medicine, not everyday food.

They do not eat meals, but rather, smaller servings of food throughout the day. They eat what they hunt. Usually it is very small game (squirrels, birds) and fish. When they catch a larger animal, they split it among their fellow tribesmen (This is backed up by every video posted about the Hadza and San Bushmen on youtube.com) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9-Dt9ON9MQ&feature=related. If the hunt is unsuccessful, they eat roots and fruit, hence, the status of starchy roots/tubers as fallback foods http://rockcenter.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/02/24/10497577-richard-engel-journeys-to-tanzania-for-hidden-planet-series. It would also include the occasional honey binge, as everywhere this is viewed as liquid gold, and among the Hadza, the most preferred source of energy http://www.bioanth.cam.ac.uk/fwm23/tubers_and_fallback_foods_21040_ftp.pdf.

The Inuit are definitely outliers. I do not trust Nora Gedguadas' research, and I think Melissa did a fine job of addressing this http://paleohacks.com/questions/101254/paleo-summit-hack-a-thon-nora-gedgaudas-2-29#axzz22G4QOC2c. It could also be argued that Kitavans are outliers as well. I'm fine with that, and even so, the Kitavans are not hunter gatherers to begin with, because they engage in the cultivation of fruits and vegetables. They are however, detached from modern civilization.

Why don't people eat like this? I presume because it is more palatable to eat full meals, and because we're constantly told of the importance of green vegetables. Eating just meat (a small amount) several times a day is hard for people, and most people are scared to eat a meal of just carbs because OMG THE INSULIN. LOL. No honey because fructose is toxic. It would also mean that butter and cream would be excluded, but shouldn't matter because this is paleohacks, NOT primalhacks. I've been trying to eat like this for the past week now. It is a bit harder to get away from eating salads and saut??ed veggies with meat, but all in all I feel like it is more in line with how actually HGs choose to eat, so I assume it is really how we've evolved to eat.

Does anyone eat like this? If not, why? Is it because the Paleo/Primal gurus make arguments that are more convincing than video footage and studies on actual HGs? I'm genuinely curious, not trying to be argumentative. Thanks for your input.

EDIT:

I realize now what I'll inevitably end up arguing about is the proper definition of "paleo," which ultimately ends up being a useless endeavor because I am certainly not the one informed enough or well-statured in this "field" to go redefining things. But, for those than answered, thanks. I do appreciate your response. Time consuming. Not willing to go to that spot on the reenactment spectrum. Makes sense.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on August 03, 2012
at 06:44 PM

At least you stimulated an interesting discussion.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on August 01, 2012
at 06:57 PM

Not advocating going into the woods and picking berries? I am! Quit typing this and go into the woods RIGHT NOW!!! So many berries are waiting for you!

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on August 01, 2012
at 06:29 PM

@Christopher - humans are wonderful, sweet, innocent beings just like chimps, gorillas and orangutans. At least I am. What screwed us up is... overpopulation/rise of civilization that started with agriculture. SAD is not true to our species. SAD is true to corporations and I don't care about the ruling - CORPORATIONS ARE NOT PEOPLE. SAD is not food.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on August 01, 2012
at 05:17 PM

Melissa that is interesting, thanks for that bit of insight. Question; where did you find out that HGs eat (non starchy, green) vegetables everyday?

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on August 01, 2012
at 04:47 PM

"Most eat this medicine every day". True true true, Melissa!

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on August 01, 2012
at 04:46 PM

Sounds like you want to live with my parents. They live surrounded by dense forest with occasional electricity (but mostly blackouts). Better you than me...

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on August 01, 2012
at 04:44 PM

"Because Paleo isn't a reenactment." Could you please tell Hadza, Kung/sun bushmen and others to stop reenacting and eat SAD, like the rest of the world, for crying out loud!

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on August 01, 2012
at 02:31 PM

Well, Euell Gibbons did.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on August 01, 2012
at 01:19 PM

Yeah, I am not advocating going into the woods and hunting and picking berries. I am advocating eating the foods that they ate (wild meat/fish, honey, fruit, roots, nuts) in the fashion that they ate them (mono meals). This agrees with your last point, and your first is based upon implying things I did not write or just failing to comprehend what I wrote.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on August 01, 2012
at 01:18 PM

Yeah, I am not advocating going into the woods and hunting and picking berries. I am advocating eating the foods that they ate in the fashion that they ate them (mono meals). This agrees with your last point, and your first is based upon implying things I did not write or just failing to comprehend what I wrote.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 01:10 PM

^ None of the above. "paleohipster" is apparently a troll impersonating people. I am not paleohipster, nor am I hipster.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 01:09 PM

^ None of the above. Paleohipster is apparently a troll impersonating people. I am not a paleohipster, nor am I hipster.

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on August 01, 2012
at 01:04 PM

@VB: can you define "true to our species?" Truth/fidelity seem like human constructs to me, and they are what we say they are. Evolution produced our brains, our brains produced our current food system. Evolution explains our currnt food system. One could argue that the SAD is both true to our species *and* horrible. Humans are capable of horrible things. That's part of human nature.

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on August 01, 2012
at 01:04 PM

have a coffee at FIKA before going up in central park to read poetry....resisting the urge to have a cigarette?

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on August 01, 2012
at 12:59 PM

do you wear black toe shoes?

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on August 01, 2012
at 12:26 PM

And ryan I'm reenacting my "nomad strategy" as I type...5 miles walking every morning...more later...

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on August 01, 2012
at 12:23 PM

I consider it more important to emulate the behavior than the diet. Where do you find a H-G tribe using cars and buses or shopping for a bow and arrow? It's important to eat the meat for sure, and we can never reenact accurately because there are way too many of us, but diet needs to support daily activity. Live first over worrying about salmon or steak for lunch.

B61f6513a155cd874b42efdad55312f6

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on August 01, 2012
at 11:58 AM

So, this would imply you'd have to eat like a nomad, and essentially eat a calorie restricted diet? Can you give us a typical day in food based on your new 'meal plan'?

A7925ab8ea44e6d4d5d7c6f202632c6c

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on August 01, 2012
at 08:53 AM

to hell with primitives: grazing is either for ruminants, feeble vegans or undercivilized barbarians: aristocracy of the world (=paleo dieters) should be fine with one meal a day: big steak + some red wine... (while listening to some classical music from an old gramophone in a candle lit hall)

0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

(5150)

on August 01, 2012
at 08:38 AM

If you can't digest starches, it means you can't digest starches. It doesn't mean that you're on a FODMAPS diet or GAPS or Paleo or even SAD. Your digestive state is separate from what type of diet you eat.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on August 01, 2012
at 04:45 AM

I think HG way of eating is the only way of eating that is true to our species. Humans inherited three big meals from agricultural times. The family would eat breakfast, then work in the field, have their lunch packed and brought/delivered to the field, then one big meal in the evening, when the whole family is back together. So that's why. Whatever works for you - there are different feeding patterns.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

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on August 01, 2012
at 04:26 AM

Score one for some non-rigid thinking around here. Heaven knows we could use more of that around here.

41dfb1a4fecb38d24075ff52f13ccb28

on August 01, 2012
at 04:23 AM

Here's some snippets on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB8808AA8184D839B It's still on BBC America right now. If you have access to BBC America on demand you could probably watch the full episodes. I think it's on tuesday nights.. actually, right now probably.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on August 01, 2012
at 04:08 AM

No, I haven't but would am interested. Could you hook me up with some links?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 04:07 AM

No, I haven't. Can you hit me up with some links?

41dfb1a4fecb38d24075ff52f13ccb28

on August 01, 2012
at 03:42 AM

Thank you for that. I do hope I can inspire some people to eat better with my photos. Have you ever watched No Kitchen Required? Have you seen the traditional tribal meals the tribal members prepare for the chefs to taste? Many of them use vegetables. Many of them don't look all that far off from what I post. If you're looking at tribal style diets, we might not be as far off as you'd think. They make soups and stews and all sorts of things, just like we do.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 03:35 AM

I do like the food porn you post on Facebook. I think you eat great and it's certainly a very healthy, whole foods, grain free diet. I am wondering though, since it is not very much like a hunter gatherer would eat, is it really paleo? Hence my question. =

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 03:34 AM

and I do like the food porn you post on Facebook. I think you eat great. I am wondering though, since it is not very much like a hunter gatherer would eat, is it really paleo?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on August 01, 2012
at 03:31 AM

...spectrums are, be definition, not definite.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on August 01, 2012
at 03:30 AM

When I said "I don't understand it" I meant that it is open-ended and vague because it has to be a spectrum of reenactment to be informed by a particular diet/lifstyle (the paleo/hunter gatherer one)

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on August 01, 2012
at 03:28 AM

...and your explaining the "reenactment argument" to me was unnecessary, because if you read my first reply, you should have gathered that my understanding of it was implied in the answer.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 03:26 AM

I understand your point of view. I still do not agree with it or think it is well substantiated, but I see what level you are arguing on.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 03:24 AM

^ You are right on that point....only.

41dfb1a4fecb38d24075ff52f13ccb28

on August 01, 2012
at 03:22 AM

And I never said anything about 18/6 in the first place. You picked that number, so I never claimed that it was IFing.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 03:20 AM

and any concept must involve some sort of emulation of what it is modeling. Otherwise you would be modeling something else.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 03:19 AM

I do not remember that uproar, because I was not a member of paleohacks until few months ago. And my argument is responding to everything you wrote. I am also not saying that 18/6 is the only way to IF, I am saying it IS NOT IF-ing to begin with.

41dfb1a4fecb38d24075ff52f13ccb28

on August 01, 2012
at 03:16 AM

No, I said starches were not popular *in Paleo circles* until PHD came out. Your response is not responding to my argument. Yes, plenty of people in the world ate starches before PHD, but they were not popular *in Paleo circles* until PHD deemed them safe. Don't you remember the uproar that caused? I sure do. I also didn't say people IF'd every day. Some do, some don't. And perhaps you and I have a very different concept of what the Paleo diet is. Mine seems to be one where we look at the science and history and create a concept with it. Yours seems to be reenactment.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 03:15 AM

Research evolves and is refined, and that is a good thing. I presume you don't still think the earth is flat and that the sun revolves around the earth?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 03:13 AM

Research evolves and is refined- that is a good thing. Or do you still think the earth is flat?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 03:11 AM

And about starches not becoming popular until PHD came out, that is like saying the laws of motion did not become popular until Darwin came around, so I do not accept it as truth.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 03:10 AM

Just because an idea is accepted by paleo-minded people, does meant that it is actually paleo. IFing in a 16/8 fashion everyday may have health benefits, but that's not actually IF-ing. If it were intermittent, your body would not come to expect it. It is routine fasting what most people practice. Intermittent fasting is going without for for an extended period intermittently, not as a part of a daily routine.

41dfb1a4fecb38d24075ff52f13ccb28

on August 01, 2012
at 03:04 AM

Starches didn't become popular in paleo circles until PHD came out. And the reenactment argument is not a new one by any means. The idea is we can learn from our Paleo history, but we don't have to do everything exactly as they did. We don't have to eat meals at the same time that they did. And yes, some people don't have time. Prepare your meals ahead of time, great, but that also means you have to find time during the day to eat it. Not everyone does. Some people IF instead, which is also part of paleo ideas.

26b0f1261d1a0d916825bd0deeb96a21

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on August 01, 2012
at 02:59 AM

If my tum, tum, liked the yum, yum, yum of meat, then I'd just eat ze animals :)

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 02:56 AM

I get the meat and veggies thing, but to take it more in the direction of hunter gatherer style I'd eat meat alone and then veggies alone.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 02:55 AM

...but yes, I understand eating green vegetables if you like the taste of them. I certainly don't think they're unhealthy- just a bit overused or overemphasized.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 02:53 AM

Thank you for answering though. I appreciate your input, i just don't think it makes a very strong argument.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 02:53 AM

I like the taste of milk too, but I do not drink it.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 02:51 AM

I like donuts too. I don't eat them though.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 02:50 AM

If you cannot digest starches then you are not eating a paleo diet. You are eating a FODMAPS or some other elimination diet.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 02:49 AM

I don't really understand the "because paleo isn't a reenactment" argument. I did not say you had to go out and eat hunt and kill squirrels with a bow and arrow, or move to Africa or anything like that. I suggested eating the types of foods that they ate, in the manner that they at them. That's not really very much to ask. And as for "not everyone has time"- it's called time management. You can prepare your meat a few days in advance. It takes about 5 minutes to prepare a sweet potato. Zero minutes to prepare honey and nuts.

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9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on August 01, 2012
at 01:32 PM

"Plants are used as medicine, not everyday food."

As far as the ethnographies I've read go, most eat this "medicine" every day.

The Hadza are way more genetically distant from the average poster on this board than the Inuit or the Kitavans. And they are not representative of paleolithic hunter-gatherers.

I've certainly eaten like this and not noticed a difference. In my opinion it is pointless to follow an utterly strict diet and socially isolate yourself unless their are concrete benefits from the diet that cannot be obtained from a less strict diet. And it's impossible to re-enact anyway because we don't have access to the same foods the Hadza eat. The idea that you can take the basic principles of it (wild meat/fish, honey, fruit, roots, nuts) and get the same benefits is probably wishful thinking. Their plant foods are particularly rich in certain phytochemicals and their honeys are probably quite unique as well.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on August 01, 2012
at 04:47 PM

"Most eat this medicine every day". True true true, Melissa!

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 05:17 PM

Melissa that is interesting, thanks for that bit of insight. Question; where did you find out that HGs eat (non starchy, green) vegetables everyday?

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41dfb1a4fecb38d24075ff52f13ccb28

on August 01, 2012
at 02:44 AM

Because Paleo isn't a reenactment.

Because some people can't digest starches.

Because some people like green vegetables.

Because not everyone has time to graze on small amounts of meat all day.

Because not everyone's digestive system does well on small 'meals' throughout the day.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 02:53 AM

Thank you for answering though. I appreciate your input, i just don't think it makes a very strong argument.

0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

(5150)

on August 01, 2012
at 08:38 AM

If you can't digest starches, it means you can't digest starches. It doesn't mean that you're on a FODMAPS diet or GAPS or Paleo or even SAD. Your digestive state is separate from what type of diet you eat.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 03:26 AM

I understand your point of view. I still do not agree with it or think it is well substantiated, but I see what level you are arguing on.

41dfb1a4fecb38d24075ff52f13ccb28

on August 01, 2012
at 04:23 AM

Here's some snippets on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB8808AA8184D839B It's still on BBC America right now. If you have access to BBC America on demand you could probably watch the full episodes. I think it's on tuesday nights.. actually, right now probably.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 03:30 AM

When I said "I don't understand it" I meant that it is open-ended and vague because it has to be a spectrum of reenactment to be informed by a particular diet/lifstyle (the paleo/hunter gatherer one)

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on August 01, 2012
at 04:44 PM

"Because Paleo isn't a reenactment." Could you please tell Hadza, Kung/sun bushmen and others to stop reenacting and eat SAD, like the rest of the world, for crying out loud!

41dfb1a4fecb38d24075ff52f13ccb28

on August 01, 2012
at 03:42 AM

Thank you for that. I do hope I can inspire some people to eat better with my photos. Have you ever watched No Kitchen Required? Have you seen the traditional tribal meals the tribal members prepare for the chefs to taste? Many of them use vegetables. Many of them don't look all that far off from what I post. If you're looking at tribal style diets, we might not be as far off as you'd think. They make soups and stews and all sorts of things, just like we do.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 03:34 AM

and I do like the food porn you post on Facebook. I think you eat great. I am wondering though, since it is not very much like a hunter gatherer would eat, is it really paleo?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 03:13 AM

Research evolves and is refined- that is a good thing. Or do you still think the earth is flat?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 02:50 AM

If you cannot digest starches then you are not eating a paleo diet. You are eating a FODMAPS or some other elimination diet.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 03:28 AM

...and your explaining the "reenactment argument" to me was unnecessary, because if you read my first reply, you should have gathered that my understanding of it was implied in the answer.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 02:49 AM

I don't really understand the "because paleo isn't a reenactment" argument. I did not say you had to go out and eat hunt and kill squirrels with a bow and arrow, or move to Africa or anything like that. I suggested eating the types of foods that they ate, in the manner that they at them. That's not really very much to ask. And as for "not everyone has time"- it's called time management. You can prepare your meat a few days in advance. It takes about 5 minutes to prepare a sweet potato. Zero minutes to prepare honey and nuts.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 03:20 AM

and any concept must involve some sort of emulation of what it is modeling. Otherwise you would be modeling something else.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 03:10 AM

Just because an idea is accepted by paleo-minded people, does meant that it is actually paleo. IFing in a 16/8 fashion everyday may have health benefits, but that's not actually IF-ing. If it were intermittent, your body would not come to expect it. It is routine fasting what most people practice. Intermittent fasting is going without for for an extended period intermittently, not as a part of a daily routine.

41dfb1a4fecb38d24075ff52f13ccb28

on August 01, 2012
at 03:04 AM

Starches didn't become popular in paleo circles until PHD came out. And the reenactment argument is not a new one by any means. The idea is we can learn from our Paleo history, but we don't have to do everything exactly as they did. We don't have to eat meals at the same time that they did. And yes, some people don't have time. Prepare your meals ahead of time, great, but that also means you have to find time during the day to eat it. Not everyone does. Some people IF instead, which is also part of paleo ideas.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 03:35 AM

I do like the food porn you post on Facebook. I think you eat great and it's certainly a very healthy, whole foods, grain free diet. I am wondering though, since it is not very much like a hunter gatherer would eat, is it really paleo? Hence my question. =

41dfb1a4fecb38d24075ff52f13ccb28

on August 01, 2012
at 03:22 AM

And I never said anything about 18/6 in the first place. You picked that number, so I never claimed that it was IFing.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 02:55 AM

...but yes, I understand eating green vegetables if you like the taste of them. I certainly don't think they're unhealthy- just a bit overused or overemphasized.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 03:15 AM

Research evolves and is refined, and that is a good thing. I presume you don't still think the earth is flat and that the sun revolves around the earth?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 02:53 AM

I like the taste of milk too, but I do not drink it.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 03:24 AM

^ You are right on that point....only.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 02:51 AM

I like donuts too. I don't eat them though.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 04:08 AM

No, I haven't but would am interested. Could you hook me up with some links?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 03:11 AM

And about starches not becoming popular until PHD came out, that is like saying the laws of motion did not become popular until Darwin came around, so I do not accept it as truth.

41dfb1a4fecb38d24075ff52f13ccb28

on August 01, 2012
at 03:16 AM

No, I said starches were not popular *in Paleo circles* until PHD came out. Your response is not responding to my argument. Yes, plenty of people in the world ate starches before PHD, but they were not popular *in Paleo circles* until PHD deemed them safe. Don't you remember the uproar that caused? I sure do. I also didn't say people IF'd every day. Some do, some don't. And perhaps you and I have a very different concept of what the Paleo diet is. Mine seems to be one where we look at the science and history and create a concept with it. Yours seems to be reenactment.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 03:31 AM

...spectrums are, be definition, not definite.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 03:19 AM

I do not remember that uproar, because I was not a member of paleohacks until few months ago. And my argument is responding to everything you wrote. I am also not saying that 18/6 is the only way to IF, I am saying it IS NOT IF-ing to begin with.

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(24286)

on August 01, 2012
at 04:26 AM

Score one for some non-rigid thinking around here. Heaven knows we could use more of that around here.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 04:07 AM

No, I haven't. Can you hit me up with some links?

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on August 01, 2012
at 07:48 AM

Lets not forget activity, bacterial and climate exposure - to maintain authenticity you would not only want to emulate dietary habits but also activity levels and types, exposure to unwashed foods and the environment including temperature extremes without the aid of climate control and most clothing.

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(229)

on August 01, 2012
at 06:02 AM

So should we get around in loin cloths as well just to be authentic?

remember Paleo is a guide :)

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4e6baf393fd5f339ae5a92ffbeadc884

on August 01, 2012
at 06:02 AM

Definitive statements as to a true HG lifestyle will always fall down on lack of evidence and variety of lifestyles adopted by HG in different habitats. For example 'charred meat' may be one way of cooking, but what about buried food, fire pits, or wrapping food in leaves to cook it?

Whilst it is impracticable to do a reenactment,it is valuable to add in what you can of HG lifestyle to your everyday life. It does not have to be an either/or thing. In the summer I fish at least twice a week and myself and my family eat the fish I have caught. In the autumn we go out an gather wild berries. I am sure it is no accident that these are some of the most rewarding activities that we engage in.

Regarding it as a continuum rather than sharp HG/Neolithic division is more helpful in structuring and guiding your life style, so it is still a valuable question I would say.

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on August 01, 2012
at 04:52 AM

If i lived in the forest and didn't have to make money or pay bills, i might just run around all day and hunt small game and eat roots and berries. But fortunatey or unfortunately (depending on how you look at it) i live in a house in modern society and need to buy most of my food. So i adapt to my surroundings... Like s good hunter/gatherer.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on August 01, 2012
at 04:46 PM

Sounds like you want to live with my parents. They live surrounded by dense forest with occasional electricity (but mostly blackouts). Better you than me...

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26b0f1261d1a0d916825bd0deeb96a21

(5798)

on August 01, 2012
at 02:46 AM

This is how I instinctively eat, although it's taken a long time , three years of paleo to get there. The difference is not actually that I eat less, but that I eat more. I eat once or twice per day now, whereas before, even before my beer-laden days, I would struggle to eat every day. I eat when hungry, mostly veggies, then some meat for dinner, with veggies. I have little appetite for dairy, as it upsets my stomach, and sugar-laden desserts are truly unappealing. I do love salt and fat, though. I don't know what causes some people to instinctively eat like this and others not.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 02:56 AM

I get the meat and veggies thing, but to take it more in the direction of hunter gatherer style I'd eat meat alone and then veggies alone.

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(5798)

on August 01, 2012
at 02:59 AM

If my tum, tum, liked the yum, yum, yum of meat, then I'd just eat ze animals :)

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F9638b939a6f85d67f60065677193cad

(4266)

on August 01, 2012
at 03:31 PM

I don't eat a lot of vegetables. I mostly eat meat. I eat some kind of meat, often with some kind of vegetable but sometimes not, for breakfast. I eat salmon for lunch. Sometimes sweet potatoes, too. I eat meat and vegetables for dinner, but not usually a lot of vegetables. On a recent backpack trip I ate pemmican for breakfast, beef heart jerky, candy and dried fruit for lunch, and a stew made with either coconut butter or pemmican and dehydrated sweet potatoes for dinner. We found wild mushrooms, dandelion greens and chives and I put those in my stews. We typically ate about 4-6 times a day on the backpack trip. Maybe I'm not eating completely like a hunter-gatherer, but I sometimes come quite close and I feel good eating that way. Sitting at a desk it's hard to eat as many times a day as when backpacking. Depending where you are out in nature you may find lots of wild greens and mushrooms right now or you might not find any. Those things are very seasonal.

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E0f5cc680bb8ae31c07abeb706d70a15

(370)

on August 01, 2012
at 01:14 PM

We aren't HG's, end of story. No matter how hard we try to emulate their diet or eating patterns, until we start going out into the woods to pick berries and hunt Mastadon with spears, we're failing in our attempts to be HG's. That's not the point of the Paleo Lifestyle. The point is to consume foods that our bodies have evolved to successfully convert into energy and use efficently. That's my opinion anyways, I'm certainly no nutritionist/paleolithic historian.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 01:18 PM

Yeah, I am not advocating going into the woods and hunting and picking berries. I am advocating eating the foods that they ate in the fashion that they ate them (mono meals). This agrees with your last point, and your first is based upon implying things I did not write or just failing to comprehend what I wrote.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 01:19 PM

Yeah, I am not advocating going into the woods and hunting and picking berries. I am advocating eating the foods that they ate (wild meat/fish, honey, fruit, roots, nuts) in the fashion that they ate them (mono meals). This agrees with your last point, and your first is based upon implying things I did not write or just failing to comprehend what I wrote.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on August 01, 2012
at 06:57 PM

Not advocating going into the woods and picking berries? I am! Quit typing this and go into the woods RIGHT NOW!!! So many berries are waiting for you!

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1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

on August 01, 2012
at 12:26 PM

Everyone has brought up good points. I agreee that paleo is a broad term- and it comes out like a spectrum. I didn't really think that eating smaller mono meals a day consisting of paleo-approved items would be very far out there, but I guess that I was wrong, considering the answers/comments. I am still going to try to eat like this for a at least a week more and see if I notice any positives like improved digestion or something like that. I do appreciate your taking the time to answer. Thank you.

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(10611)

on August 01, 2012
at 12:59 PM

do you wear black toe shoes?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 01:10 PM

^ None of the above. "paleohipster" is apparently a troll impersonating people. I am not paleohipster, nor am I hipster.

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(10611)

on August 01, 2012
at 01:04 PM

have a coffee at FIKA before going up in central park to read poetry....resisting the urge to have a cigarette?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on August 01, 2012
at 01:09 PM

^ None of the above. Paleohipster is apparently a troll impersonating people. I am not a paleohipster, nor am I hipster.

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(20436)

on August 03, 2012
at 06:44 PM

At least you stimulated an interesting discussion.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on August 01, 2012
at 05:00 AM

Because they're not hunter gatherers?

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