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Mini-pill (progesterone) vs regular pill with estrogen - better according to Ray Peat theory?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created September 07, 2013 at 12:44 AM

I've been off birth control pills for a year, at first I had a lot of hair loss, cycles were all over the place and my skin looked pretty terrible, but that seems to be fixing itself now which is great. I've read a lot of Ray Peat's work on the effects of excess estrogen which I find really interesting, I wish I hadn't blasted my system with estrogen loaded birth control for years!

His work has got me thinking, could going on the mini-pill (progesterone-only) be a potential better alternative to estrogen BCP? The progesterone in the mini-pill is synthetic so I'm not sure if this would be the same as increasing progesterone naturally (something Peat promotes). What do you think?

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on April 15, 2013
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Hey mM, I was wondering if you have any sources that talk about the inflammation/copper toxicity? Got a paraguard put in about 7-8 months ago and am having light doubts.

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on December 10, 2012
at 03:02 AM

Oh thank you mM, just bought a ladycomp online, I think this will work really well for me. Fantastic!

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on December 09, 2012
at 07:10 PM

My Apologies .

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on December 09, 2012
at 06:55 PM

Don't be so nasty.

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on December 08, 2012
at 10:20 PM

Thanks Stephi! I agree if I was 'doing it with lots of people', condoms would be the way to go - however now I have a steady partner I'd like to try other methods if possible :) I will look into VCF, thank you. I'm 30, was put on BCP at 13 for bad acne and period pain, so I understand your story :(

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on December 08, 2012
at 07:35 PM

Just wanted to point out: if you go on the progesterone-only pill, you have to be INCREDIBLY precise about exactly when you take it during the day. I have been on both kinds of the pill in the past. Now, no more. I find that it's just easier to monitor my cycles and breastfeed for a long time. That being said, if we were to get pregnant, we would love another baby right now! If that's not you, use a barrier method or a mini pill.. the risks outweigh the potential life-altering BABY you might have instead. :-)

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on December 08, 2012
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She's taking estrogen Birth Control Pills. When I say get off estrogen I am referring to her question. Estrogen and estrogen mimickers are cancer causing, this isn't my opinion, I cited this fact. I am aware that estrogen is a hormone required by the body for many functions, so is Iron, but that doesn't mean you should supplement with large amounts of Iron; that would be a logical fallacy and would impact your health negatively. You understand the difference between what your body naturally produces and flooding your body with a hormone to the point it thinks it's pregnant, right?

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Getting off estrogen? Estrogen promotes and maintains the uterus lining in preparation for implantation of fertilized egg. Without this hormone the human race would die out

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on December 08, 2012
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Thank you, I'll find that book and give it a read :)

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on December 09, 2012
at 04:35 PM

I would also recommend the taking charge of your fertility book, if you have hormonal problems then the already mentioned hofmeiklers anti-estrogen book is very, very good.

I would consider not taking hormonal bcp, and not using a IUD (these cause constant inflammation, copper toxicity, the symptoms are often worse than with bcp).

I myself use the ladycomp, and have been very happy with it. It is a sort of fertility mini computer, hormone free, and when used correctly it is as safe as condoms for pregnancy prevention.

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on December 10, 2012
at 03:02 AM

Oh thank you mM, just bought a ladycomp online, I think this will work really well for me. Fantastic!

9f933fedd259b97a5369c3ee5dae3151

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on April 15, 2013
at 02:46 PM

Hey mM, I was wondering if you have any sources that talk about the inflammation/copper toxicity? Got a paraguard put in about 7-8 months ago and am having light doubts.

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on December 08, 2012
at 04:24 PM

The progestins in BCPs definitely work differently in the body than natural Progesterone.

If you are planning on having kids in the future, I would highly recommend avoiding any kind of hormonal birth control & use a barrier method. The book "Taking Charge of your Fertility" is very helpful.

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on December 08, 2012
at 04:31 PM

Thank you, I'll find that book and give it a read :)

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on December 08, 2012
at 09:16 PM

Welp. I don't know how old (or young) you are, but I took BCP intermittently for about five years. I'm 21 now (we won't talk about taking birth control at 14, I grew up in NH and it's something doctors recommended to regulate periods, etc..) I had horrible reactions to about six different versions of the pill, both estrogen-progesterone combo pills and the progesterone-only pill...Haven't taken a POP or BCP in a year, I've been using VCFs, a spermicidal film that dissolves and is flushed out after uhm..you know. I can't use condoms, they cause inflammation on my lady bits...And many of my reaction-symptoms have cleared up (bloating, shortness of breath, oil skin, etc.) I think that if you had such adverse reactions to the pill, maybe you should steer clear of all hormone pills, your body seems to be sensitive to it. If you don't mind condoms, use 'em, otherwise, I say try the VCF because at least it's not being absorbed throughout your body and is hormone-free (albeit not chemical free =[ ) BUT IF YOU'RE DOING IT WITH LOTSA' PEOPLE, USE A CONDOM!

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on December 08, 2012
at 10:20 PM

Thanks Stephi! I agree if I was 'doing it with lots of people', condoms would be the way to go - however now I have a steady partner I'd like to try other methods if possible :) I will look into VCF, thank you. I'm 30, was put on BCP at 13 for bad acne and period pain, so I understand your story :(

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on December 08, 2012
at 05:55 PM

Getting off estrogen? Estrogen promotes and maintains the uterus lining in preparation for implantation of fertilized egg. Without this hormone the human race would die out

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on December 08, 2012
at 06:49 PM

She's taking estrogen Birth Control Pills. When I say get off estrogen I am referring to her question. Estrogen and estrogen mimickers are cancer causing, this isn't my opinion, I cited this fact. I am aware that estrogen is a hormone required by the body for many functions, so is Iron, but that doesn't mean you should supplement with large amounts of Iron; that would be a logical fallacy and would impact your health negatively. You understand the difference between what your body naturally produces and flooding your body with a hormone to the point it thinks it's pregnant, right?

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on December 09, 2012
at 07:10 PM

My Apologies .

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on December 09, 2012
at 06:55 PM

Don't be so nasty.

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