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Does anyone here avoid all unsaturated fat?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created February 11, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Does anyone here avoid all unsaturated fat (including omega 3) ala Ray Peat?

There's some pretty interesting research into it and now that I think about it I was consuming loads of the stuff (CLO, salmon, nuts)

I'm hoping Peat is the path back; Paleo seems to have taken me further into health problems, probably by suppressing thyroid function through intermittent fasting and fat burning, lots of muscle meat and very little sugar

I'm looking for good health, not weight loss; one of the aspects of Paleo and the Primal Blueprint that frustrates me so much is its focus on losing weight

C6032b723b12cf0073ec6d22c5f4e7ae

on August 02, 2014
at 04:42 PM

I don't eat Peat style but I avoid omega 3 even more than omega 6, the only significant sources of which I eat is pastured chicken and pork. On the same note as Roth, I find I get horrid cystic acne after eating a lot of salmon or taking o3 supplements. I also find that o3 makes me feel cold and tired and lowers my libido. This is just how I personally feel. Apparently, o3 is even less stable than o6 and I think it's too anti-inflammatory. I am trying to build muscle and I think o3 might interfere with that. I also limit MUFA intake as well mainly because I find I can't digest it.

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on August 02, 2014
at 02:09 AM

There is a bit on confusion here as the original question asks "Does anyone here avoid all unsaturated fat (including omega 3) ala Ray Peat?", but Ray Peat generally says to try and avoid poly-unsaturated fat, not mono-unsaturated. Avoiding mono-unsaturated along with polyunsaturated fat would be difficult indeed. Also he understands they cannot be avoided 100% as he acknowledges that PUFA is in almost all food, and to avoid them 100% would mean eating a highly refined laboratory diet (like sugar and amino acids)

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on March 04, 2013
at 09:41 PM

I tested this. Removing alcohol has done nothing. Becoming even more fanatical about avoiding gluten has improved a few things.

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on March 03, 2013
at 06:35 AM

Non-gluten starchy foods, fruit, coconut oil, redbull out of convenience. I'm adding in other foods (gelatin, for example) in a controlled manner to figure out what there exact effects are.

Bfddc0ab925c8ea0e0c2e87198514907

on March 03, 2013
at 01:47 AM

Have you considered that alcohol might be causing some of your other problems?

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on March 03, 2013
at 12:30 AM

Well aren't you feisty. Is your supplemental progesterone causing PMS? Perhaps some recreational aspirin will help you out. Every nutcase attracts quite the following on the internet.

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on March 02, 2013
at 10:58 PM

What Michelle said. The term unsaturated fats generally includes monounsaturated fat because they are, as indicated right in their name, unsaturated.

4bd4e2fe6a095663f80c69656936e487

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on March 02, 2013
at 10:52 PM

What's cockamamie about pointing out the flaws in the arguments in favor of PUFA? Nothing. But I guess for some morons, consensus is more important than evidence.

4bd4e2fe6a095663f80c69656936e487

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on March 02, 2013
at 10:50 PM

I guess for some morons consensus is more important than evidence.

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on March 02, 2013
at 10:33 PM

Actually, when you cobble together a cockamamie theory that flies in the face of complete scientific consensus, the burden of proof is most assuredly on you.

4bd4e2fe6a095663f80c69656936e487

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on March 02, 2013
at 09:54 PM

"Peat's argument that none are essential seems tenuous at best." The burden of proof is on the other side. It sounds like you're assuming that EFA are actually essential and want a proof to the contrary. That doesn't make sense. Peat mentioned what's wrong with Burr's "proof", by pointing out that feeding rats with the same diet of Burr's, except for eliminating the so-called EFAs and adding vitamin B6 fixed the problem.

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on March 02, 2013
at 09:23 PM

No way! I value the unique benefits of omega-3 fatty acids too much, particularly their role in neuronal functioning and developing. If Ray Peat can show me that these benefits can be derived solely from saturated fat I might consider what he's saying. It's important to have a nuanced understanding of how fats work before you decide to do a blanket elimination of a whole group of them. To that end I highly recommend this article: http://chriskresser.com/9-steps-to-perfect-health-2-nourish-your-body I just try to to avoid omega-6 PUFAs.

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on March 02, 2013
at 09:02 PM

So what does your diet looks like atm?

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on March 02, 2013
at 09:01 PM

Meat does contain PUFAs. Like Matt said, pretty much all whole food contain at least 5% of their fats from PUFA. But HuntingBears is talking about ALL unsaturates, MUFA included. Red meat fat is half unsaturated. Poultry and pork fat is primarily unsaturated.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on March 02, 2013
at 08:21 PM

I've gone zero :D.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on March 02, 2013
at 08:20 PM

I think HuntingBears refers to cutting out PUFAs, no? MUFAs seem to be perfectly harmless.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on March 02, 2013
at 08:20 PM

If you include processed foods you can get more variety.

C0ddf5f88d3d0cfab0c5d875b0eae9ec

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on February 12, 2013
at 09:24 PM

Boring! Play it safe//// never. LOL :)

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on February 12, 2013
at 12:41 AM

You would have to eat almost purely coconut oil, starches, lean meat and fruit. It's possible but very limited.

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on February 11, 2013
at 10:57 PM

They're as much monounsaturated as saturated actually.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

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on February 11, 2013
at 10:52 PM

Some, but mostly monounsaturated.

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on February 11, 2013
at 10:21 PM

In a perfect world you could get enough n3 from ALA but you need to be in tip top shape. http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/othernuts/omega3fa/#metabolism I think a lot of us should play it safe with preformed DHA.

7a6529ea25b655132fe58d793f95547a

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on February 11, 2013
at 09:51 PM

I like the Jaminet's conclusions too Andrew and I think they're a safe amount, in the ballpark of 4% if I remember correctly. It is hard to acheive that though when you eat the amount of fat that most of us do.

7a6529ea25b655132fe58d793f95547a

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on February 11, 2013
at 09:47 PM

Your right Anon on a whole foods diet you just can't create a deficiency, even a low fat whole foods diet. The argument should be about what amount is beneficial and when are we getting too much. This impossible to know on an individual basis though, and at what point are we talking about our human genetics and not our primate ones, I bet chimps need very low amounts of the stuff and we humans see benefits to mental health and cardiovascular health with a higher amount.

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on February 11, 2013
at 09:05 PM

eggs, beef and milk are saturated

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on February 11, 2013
at 07:00 PM

Totally agreed. Don't avoid it if it's from real food sources - avoid adding it from concentrated sources.

4bd4e2fe6a095663f80c69656936e487

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on February 11, 2013
at 06:38 PM

It's not possible to consume none at all unless you have an intravenous diet.

7bf306ada57db47547e9da39a415edf6

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on February 11, 2013
at 06:26 PM

For some time I didn't supplement. I tried krill oil hoping it would help with pain, but back when I tried some of the Peat stuff, I'm pretty sure my PUFA intake was almost nil. It may be a little higher now because a bag of nuts is convenient, and I'm eating more fish, but it is still much less than the SAD or even the alt-SAD w/ the ridiculous levels of O-3 in it. I remember a chiropractor pushing several grams of fish oil; I told him no- it used to give me headaches.

4bd4e2fe6a095663f80c69656936e487

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on February 11, 2013
at 06:19 PM

The most cited "proof" that they're essential is an animal study from 1929

4bd4e2fe6a095663f80c69656936e487

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on February 11, 2013
at 06:18 PM

The most cited "proof" that they're essential is a study from 1929.

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on February 11, 2013
at 05:49 PM

Only Ray Peat thinks they're non-essential, quoting animals studies from the 1930s as evidence... loony.

4bd4e2fe6a095663f80c69656936e487

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on February 11, 2013
at 05:48 PM

I felt bad after eating sugar for about 2 years. Then I stopped consuming all significant sources of polyunsaturated fats and 6 months later I was able to eat all the sugar I wanted without discomfort, and felt better overall.

4bd4e2fe6a095663f80c69656936e487

(744)

on February 11, 2013
at 05:48 PM

I felt bad after eating sugar for about 2 years. Then I stopped consuming all significant sources and 6 months later I was able to eat all the sugar I wanted without discomfort, and felt better overall.

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on February 11, 2013
at 05:42 PM

Whenever I went low carb it was for very short periods as I got very anxious and depressed so I doubt it's that if it even is the thyroid. I'm stumbling about in the dark here, looking for answer, finding none, but what Peat says makes sense to me in a way different to 'this is how our ancestors probably ate so this is probably best for us' his stuff is very compelling and deserves a shot; paleo has not worked for me at all

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on February 11, 2013
at 05:38 PM

'but the sugar thing eventually leads me into an unhappy place due to my blood sugar issues' Peat argues that it's the PUFAS that cause blood sugar problems and that sugar itself actually helps (sounds wrong but it kind of makes sense when you read the stuff) It might sound superficial but if I had to choose I'd rather look good than feel good, as it stands I'm neither :(

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on February 11, 2013
at 05:34 PM

Yeah you could never go completely zero as it does exist in small quantities in a lot of foods but I avoid omega 6 so omega 3 intake isn't a priority

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

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on February 11, 2013
at 05:32 PM

'Considering o-3 and o-6 are essential, you'd be best off not consuming none' their name is a misnomer apparently as they aren't essential, they also exist in most foods in very small quantities so you could never go completely zero, I'm still getting to grips with Peat though

4bd4e2fe6a095663f80c69656936e487

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on February 11, 2013
at 05:30 PM

The evidence that they're essential is extremely weak.

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on February 11, 2013
at 05:10 PM

You've made a few comments recently about Paleo being focused on weight loss and I would argue that it is the exact opposite. Paleo focuses on whole-food, ancestral eating and avoiding foods that are problematic. If you caused thyroid issues by eating low-carb, eat more carbs. Good health can be obtained through a Paleo framework and weight loss can be a side effect.

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on February 11, 2013
at 05:01 PM

The only people who should avoid all PUFAs are people with acne.

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on February 11, 2013
at 05:58 PM

I don't avoid any nutrient from whole foods really. PUFAs make up upwards of 10% of my caloric intake some days, 6:3 ratio of approximately 5-10:1. Reducing PUFAs too low makes little sense as you're left eating what? Nearly all fat sources have 5+% of PUFA.

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on February 11, 2013
at 07:00 PM

Totally agreed. Don't avoid it if it's from real food sources - avoid adding it from concentrated sources.

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Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on February 11, 2013
at 04:55 PM

I take the PHD/Jaminet view on fats: SFAs and MUFAs only (if not liberally), and avoid added PUFAs and make sure the source of any PUFAs I do eat are well worth it. This helps to keep my overall PUFA levels low, but also my Omega 6:3 ratio pretty darn close to 2:1.

So, I'm not with Peat (never really read that stuff though) on no unsatured fats, as I like my MUFAs, but I'm with it on PUFAs.

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on March 02, 2013
at 09:39 PM

I think one could convincingly argue that EPA is non-essential and that ALA and LA are suboptimal forms and should actually be DHA and AA, respectively. Peat's argument that none are essential seems tenuous at best (and irrelevant since pretty much only those with disordered eating will tolerate such a diet for long).

Nearly all of the diets I've seen Peatarians describe have included EFAs, so I think it's a red herring (that you can eat if ya like).

Avoiding refined n-6 is a no-brainer and taking fish oil is probably worse than sourcing n-3s in phopholipid form from good quality hard-boiled egg yolks, though it's unknown if the latter is absolutely necessary for optimal health. Anything beyond that isn't particularly useful.

4bd4e2fe6a095663f80c69656936e487

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on March 02, 2013
at 09:54 PM

"Peat's argument that none are essential seems tenuous at best." The burden of proof is on the other side. It sounds like you're assuming that EFA are actually essential and want a proof to the contrary. That doesn't make sense. Peat mentioned what's wrong with Burr's "proof", by pointing out that feeding rats with the same diet of Burr's, except for eliminating the so-called EFAs and adding vitamin B6 fixed the problem.

4bd4e2fe6a095663f80c69656936e487

(744)

on March 02, 2013
at 10:50 PM

I guess for some morons consensus is more important than evidence.

Medium avatar

(39821)

on March 03, 2013
at 12:30 AM

Well aren't you feisty. Is your supplemental progesterone causing PMS? Perhaps some recreational aspirin will help you out. Every nutcase attracts quite the following on the internet.

Medium avatar

(39821)

on March 02, 2013
at 10:33 PM

Actually, when you cobble together a cockamamie theory that flies in the face of complete scientific consensus, the burden of proof is most assuredly on you.

4bd4e2fe6a095663f80c69656936e487

(744)

on March 02, 2013
at 10:52 PM

What's cockamamie about pointing out the flaws in the arguments in favor of PUFA? Nothing. But I guess for some morons, consensus is more important than evidence.

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B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on March 02, 2013
at 08:49 PM

I'm usually under 1% PUFA intake because I don't tolerate eggs well and eat a pretty fat-free diet (apart from coconut oil). Morning temperature has done nothing but increase even without thyroid hormone use (or any other hormone for that matter). It is slow though. Little effort is then necessary to bring the temperature up to 37.2??C. Just a regular breakfast and maybe an aspirin does it.

While the temperature is this high, hair remains in the air (an effect that I never achieved in the winter in the past), energy remains stable (on the higher side), mood is good, memory is excellent (if I say so myself haha I base this assumption on the fact that I can remember things from my childhood in great detail and because I can lipsync a large amounts of songs haha), learning abilities (and cravings for better understanding) have improved greatly ... I have no evidence whatsoever that PUFA restriction accounts for these effects, could be any of my other restrictions, or my drastical dietary changes of the past 4 months, or my current situation (complete freedom and no financial worries), ... .

On the other hand, PUFA restriction has done squat for my serotonin levels which, nowadays, seems to be my main problem (this problem has only worsened from the day I started dieting, likely due to excessive substance abuse and nasty social encounters, but seems to be really improving day by day now).

In any case, unless you're a whole-food-fan, the restriction is easy.

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on March 03, 2013
at 06:35 AM

Non-gluten starchy foods, fruit, coconut oil, redbull out of convenience. I'm adding in other foods (gelatin, for example) in a controlled manner to figure out what there exact effects are.

956bcad1d462d433a4e1e22f6e3355d5

(1191)

on March 02, 2013
at 09:02 PM

So what does your diet looks like atm?

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A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

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on February 11, 2013
at 08:15 PM

I can't imagine what kind of foods you would have to eat on a diet with almost no unsaturated fat. Fruit and super lean meat? Skim milk and plain starches? Maybe some coconut oil? I would get bored of that fast. I don't see any convincing reason to cut out nutritious, unsaturated fat containing foods like egg yolks, avocados, and sardines from diet any time soon.

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on February 12, 2013
at 12:41 AM

You would have to eat almost purely coconut oil, starches, lean meat and fruit. It's possible but very limited.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

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on February 11, 2013
at 10:52 PM

Some, but mostly monounsaturated.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

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on February 11, 2013
at 10:57 PM

They're as much monounsaturated as saturated actually.

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on February 11, 2013
at 09:05 PM

eggs, beef and milk are saturated

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on March 02, 2013
at 08:20 PM

If you include processed foods you can get more variety.

D41bd7b3d3b962eb0146f471eb632f56

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on March 02, 2013
at 09:01 PM

Meat does contain PUFAs. Like Matt said, pretty much all whole food contain at least 5% of their fats from PUFA. But HuntingBears is talking about ALL unsaturates, MUFA included. Red meat fat is half unsaturated. Poultry and pork fat is primarily unsaturated.

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on March 02, 2013
at 08:20 PM

I think HuntingBears refers to cutting out PUFAs, no? MUFAs seem to be perfectly harmless.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

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on March 02, 2013
at 10:58 PM

What Michelle said. The term unsaturated fats generally includes monounsaturated fat because they are, as indicated right in their name, unsaturated.

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on August 02, 2014
at 02:09 AM

There is a bit on confusion here as the original question asks "Does anyone here avoid all unsaturated fat (including omega 3) ala Ray Peat?", but Ray Peat generally says to try and avoid poly-unsaturated fat, not mono-unsaturated. Avoiding mono-unsaturated along with polyunsaturated fat would be difficult indeed. Also he understands they cannot be avoided 100% as he acknowledges that PUFA is in almost all food, and to avoid them 100% would mean eating a highly refined laboratory diet (like sugar and amino acids)

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C0ddf5f88d3d0cfab0c5d875b0eae9ec

on February 11, 2013
at 09:49 PM

The lack of essential fatty Acids like O-3 are found to be a big player in childhood disabilities.

Less mental awareness, and behavior troubles. The American diet in particular breeds unhealthy overweight people.

The best diet for health and energy is the one that devout Jews follow and is outlined in their religious writings.

Meat is essential, but it is less than a third of consumption.

Quality, non rancid oils are filled with micro nutrients along with omegas. Camelina oil is one of the best Omega 3 Vitamin E oils you can use. It can be used as a cooking oil or nutritional supplement. It also has a very high amount of antioxidants that give it a 2 yr. shelf life, un-refrigerated.

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on February 11, 2013
at 10:21 PM

In a perfect world you could get enough n3 from ALA but you need to be in tip top shape. http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/othernuts/omega3fa/#metabolism I think a lot of us should play it safe with preformed DHA.

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on February 12, 2013
at 09:24 PM

Boring! Play it safe//// never. LOL :)

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on February 11, 2013
at 05:24 PM

There's a middle ground between consuming loads of the stuff and none at all. Considering o-3 and o-6 are essential, you'd be best off not consuming none. :-) I do agree with Jaminet (and Lelonde and most others) that it makes sense to go very low on the o-6s. But it's hard to see how fish once or twice a week and liver now and then is anything other than extremely health-promoting. Even grass-fed meat has some o-3, and that's a good thing.

I also agree with other posters is that Paleo is all about health. Many start for the weight loss, but they stick around because of how they feel, and the community generally feels that weight loss follows from improved health.

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on February 11, 2013
at 09:51 PM

I like the Jaminet's conclusions too Andrew and I think they're a safe amount, in the ballpark of 4% if I remember correctly. It is hard to acheive that though when you eat the amount of fat that most of us do.

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on February 11, 2013
at 05:32 PM

'Considering o-3 and o-6 are essential, you'd be best off not consuming none' their name is a misnomer apparently as they aren't essential, they also exist in most foods in very small quantities so you could never go completely zero, I'm still getting to grips with Peat though

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on February 11, 2013
at 05:49 PM

Only Ray Peat thinks they're non-essential, quoting animals studies from the 1930s as evidence... loony.

4bd4e2fe6a095663f80c69656936e487

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on February 11, 2013
at 06:19 PM

The most cited "proof" that they're essential is an animal study from 1929

4bd4e2fe6a095663f80c69656936e487

(744)

on February 11, 2013
at 06:38 PM

It's not possible to consume none at all unless you have an intravenous diet.

4bd4e2fe6a095663f80c69656936e487

(744)

on February 11, 2013
at 05:30 PM

The evidence that they're essential is extremely weak.

7a6529ea25b655132fe58d793f95547a

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on February 11, 2013
at 09:47 PM

Your right Anon on a whole foods diet you just can't create a deficiency, even a low fat whole foods diet. The argument should be about what amount is beneficial and when are we getting too much. This impossible to know on an individual basis though, and at what point are we talking about our human genetics and not our primate ones, I bet chimps need very low amounts of the stuff and we humans see benefits to mental health and cardiovascular health with a higher amount.

4bd4e2fe6a095663f80c69656936e487

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on February 11, 2013
at 06:18 PM

The most cited "proof" that they're essential is a study from 1929.

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on February 11, 2013
at 05:23 PM

A certain amount of unsaturated fat is ubiquitous in real food, so I don't worry about those unsaturated fats. What I do avoid is industrial seed oils. I also miss out on the unsaturated fats in nuts, but I avoid nuts because I tend to binge on them, not because they contain unsaturated fat. To compensate for my dislike of the kinds of strong tasting oily fish that contain Omega 3, I take two 1g fish oil caps every day (Xtend-Life Omega 3 QH Ultra).

The only added fats in my diet are coconut oil, butter, red palm oil, and olive oil.

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on February 11, 2013
at 05:34 PM

Yeah you could never go completely zero as it does exist in small quantities in a lot of foods but I avoid omega 6 so omega 3 intake isn't a priority

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on March 02, 2013
at 08:21 PM

I've gone zero :D.

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7bf306ada57db47547e9da39a415edf6

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on February 11, 2013
at 05:08 PM

I looked into it, but eventually I came to the conclusion that not all of the O-3 research exists solely as propaganda for the fish oil industry. Especially with regards to pregnancy and childbirth, DHA seems to be necessary.

That said, I think the original O-3 recommendations were excessive, and I've had a bad experience with what was probably a rancid bottle of fish oil. It is probably a good idea to limit both 6 and 3 consumption, but to make sure the ratio is what it is supposed to be, which can be done via food. I have supplemented with krill oil, but recently I ran out and don't feel too pressed to get more right now because I seem to be eating a lot of seafood lately.

Peat's recommendations are seductive, but the sugar thing eventually leads me into an unhappy place due to my blood sugar issues. More food period works, though. I was believing my thyroid was wonky too, but adding more calories (via fat since the carbs were messing me up) helped tremendously.

I don't know man, I think some of us are just screwed. If I were rich I'd probably find a holistic dentist to clean out the crap dentistry, and then I'd need to find some clinic somewhere with doctors I could trust. I'm walking around in a lot of pain, have a lot of mysterious symptoms, but look pretty damn good and the tests come back good. Eat what makes you happy to eat, as long as it's real food. Currently dealing with the sadness of watching my alcohol tolerance fall to almost nil. One more thing I used to enjoy gone. Hopefully I can replace it with something new soon.

4bd4e2fe6a095663f80c69656936e487

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on February 11, 2013
at 05:48 PM

I felt bad after eating sugar for about 2 years. Then I stopped consuming all significant sources of polyunsaturated fats and 6 months later I was able to eat all the sugar I wanted without discomfort, and felt better overall.

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on February 11, 2013
at 05:38 PM

'but the sugar thing eventually leads me into an unhappy place due to my blood sugar issues' Peat argues that it's the PUFAS that cause blood sugar problems and that sugar itself actually helps (sounds wrong but it kind of makes sense when you read the stuff) It might sound superficial but if I had to choose I'd rather look good than feel good, as it stands I'm neither :(

7bf306ada57db47547e9da39a415edf6

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on February 11, 2013
at 06:26 PM

For some time I didn't supplement. I tried krill oil hoping it would help with pain, but back when I tried some of the Peat stuff, I'm pretty sure my PUFA intake was almost nil. It may be a little higher now because a bag of nuts is convenient, and I'm eating more fish, but it is still much less than the SAD or even the alt-SAD w/ the ridiculous levels of O-3 in it. I remember a chiropractor pushing several grams of fish oil; I told him no- it used to give me headaches.

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on February 11, 2013
at 05:48 PM

I felt bad after eating sugar for about 2 years. Then I stopped consuming all significant sources and 6 months later I was able to eat all the sugar I wanted without discomfort, and felt better overall.

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on March 03, 2013
at 01:47 AM

Have you considered that alcohol might be causing some of your other problems?

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on March 04, 2013
at 09:41 PM

I tested this. Removing alcohol has done nothing. Becoming even more fanatical about avoiding gluten has improved a few things.

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