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Raw Paleo for SIBO?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 02, 2013 at 5:59 PM

I checked out Denise Minger's daily menu (thanks to Pecan) and it seems that she eats mostly raw vegetables and fruits (as well as raw fish, shellfish and occasionally meat).

Now, it is very interesting, but I find that raw vegetables agree with me while cooked vegetables drain my energy. I haven't tried raw meat yet (it is impossible to find good quality meat where I live) but I make it rare. Very very rare. I find it is so much better for me!

Hence my question:

Has anyone tried raw Paleo? Because I know even Sally Fallon recommends to slightly cook your greens.

I am recovering from SIBO and every single website out there recommends to cook your veggies for SIBO patients since it lowers the amount of residue. I found the opposite was true (for me).

Plus some people complain that raw foods make them gassy. Well, how come I had SIBO and I was fine with raw foods?

Please share your thoughts or your n=1.

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

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on March 28, 2013
at 02:09 AM

I don't eat all raw, never did.

3959828c57f2aeddc08e5f374e92ad36

(87)

on March 27, 2013
at 02:01 AM

Hey, I found this searching sibo and raw foods. Are you still eating raw? I eat a partially raw diet, with raw meat and am wondering the same about SIBO and raw foods.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 02, 2013
at 09:43 PM

Gosh... I meant I am still suffering from fatigue...

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 02, 2013
at 09:43 PM

Thanks for your advice. I have just recovered (I hope) from SIBO and my doctor told me it is going to take at least 2 months to feel better. Also I am awaiting for my blood work. So far I am low on bilirubin and high on cholesterol - those are the only two things I know. I will wait for two months as my doctor suggested. After that I will seriously consider other options. I am still battling from fatigue and low blood pressure after eating (it is called postprandial hypotension).

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

(11697)

on March 02, 2013
at 08:29 PM

Finally, I'd suggest you consult with Dr Kruse. Yes, a lot of people think he's crazy, but if no other doctor can help you, his craziness might be what you actually need. Extreme situations require extreme doctors. He orders labs that other doctors usually don't. He will definitely ask you to start Cold Thermogenesis, a keto diet with more oysters/seafood in it, and not to use your cellphone much (and to wear grounded sandals), but he also prescribes real medicine when he finds the culprit. His latest series about EMF describes why many patients today don't respond to Paleo, like you don't.

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

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on March 02, 2013
at 08:24 PM

I use pasteurized goat milk because I can't find it raw where I am. I prefer to not have cow's milk, because the cow A1 casein is not compatible with the human milk. Goats' is. Also, ferment kefir for 24 hours, to reduce lactose to minimal (the SCD suggests that too). There's no way you can crave that, it's extremely sour. You can't create more than 1 cup per day that way, if you're also eating a few grains on the way. So my suggestion is: retry kefir, but ferment it for 24 hours, and make it from goats.

089dd41b18fbb95ebb5347cded708d98

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on March 02, 2013
at 08:17 PM

eugenia, do you heat the goat's milk for your yogurt or do you use raw goat's milk and ferment it raw? i have access to raw goat's milk but i'd prefer to cook it to make yogurt to kill any possible bacteria.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on March 02, 2013
at 07:30 PM

Eugenia - I know, I have been reading your blog. I made kefir from raw cow's milk (I had SIBO at that time) and I drank all of it (with kefir grains included) - I was craving it all the time, I had to stop. I don't have access to goat milk or camel milk. Sorry.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 02, 2013
at 07:28 PM

Eugenia, I have seen more specialists that I can handle. Unfortunately, by now I know more than they do. It sounds weird, but it is true. I agree - some part of my body is completely off. But nobody knows which one. And the doctors are being total morons (only one knew what SIBO was and he told me to eat... green peas with sugar - no kidding!) So... I have to do what I have to do for now. If my body prefers raw foods, that's what I will eat. I trust my body more than I trust any doctor.

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

(11697)

on March 02, 2013
at 07:28 PM

Also, have you tried home-made goat kefir? As I wrote elsewhere, for me this was a revelation. But it has to be home-made, and from goats (or camels) for best results.

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

(11697)

on March 02, 2013
at 07:15 PM

Did you try digestive enzymes? Honestly, instead of going into an extreme diet, see a specialist in digestion. He might be able to point you in the right direction. Obviously, if you can't eat cooked food, to me it means that some part of your body is completely off. That part needs fixing.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on March 02, 2013
at 07:01 PM

Your Welcome, I liked it a lot and it took me almost an hour to find the full article. That link is to what is probably the only full text free version of it on the Internet.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 02, 2013
at 06:50 PM

Thanks for the article. It was interesting that he suggested beet juice (raw) as a mucilaginous alternative to gelatin. Also, he emphasized mixing raw milk with gelatin. Sounds tasty!

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on March 02, 2013
at 06:48 PM

I already tried and gave up!

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on March 02, 2013
at 06:47 PM

Eugenia, I cannot eat cooked food! I get sick!

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3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

(11697)

on March 02, 2013
at 06:41 PM

Eat 40% to 50% raw, but there's no reason to eat everything raw. Our ancestors started cooking more than a million years ago, we evolved eating both kinds of cooking. Which means that we have gut bacteria that need both types too. So if you're having SIBO issues, don't go extreme.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 02, 2013
at 06:48 PM

I already tried and gave up!

089dd41b18fbb95ebb5347cded708d98

(5635)

on March 02, 2013
at 08:17 PM

eugenia, do you heat the goat's milk for your yogurt or do you use raw goat's milk and ferment it raw? i have access to raw goat's milk but i'd prefer to cook it to make yogurt to kill any possible bacteria.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 02, 2013
at 06:47 PM

Eugenia, I cannot eat cooked food! I get sick!

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 02, 2013
at 07:30 PM

Eugenia - I know, I have been reading your blog. I made kefir from raw cow's milk (I had SIBO at that time) and I drank all of it (with kefir grains included) - I was craving it all the time, I had to stop. I don't have access to goat milk or camel milk. Sorry.

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

(11697)

on March 02, 2013
at 07:28 PM

Also, have you tried home-made goat kefir? As I wrote elsewhere, for me this was a revelation. But it has to be home-made, and from goats (or camels) for best results.

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

(11697)

on March 02, 2013
at 08:29 PM

Finally, I'd suggest you consult with Dr Kruse. Yes, a lot of people think he's crazy, but if no other doctor can help you, his craziness might be what you actually need. Extreme situations require extreme doctors. He orders labs that other doctors usually don't. He will definitely ask you to start Cold Thermogenesis, a keto diet with more oysters/seafood in it, and not to use your cellphone much (and to wear grounded sandals), but he also prescribes real medicine when he finds the culprit. His latest series about EMF describes why many patients today don't respond to Paleo, like you don't.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 02, 2013
at 09:43 PM

Gosh... I meant I am still suffering from fatigue...

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

(11697)

on March 02, 2013
at 07:15 PM

Did you try digestive enzymes? Honestly, instead of going into an extreme diet, see a specialist in digestion. He might be able to point you in the right direction. Obviously, if you can't eat cooked food, to me it means that some part of your body is completely off. That part needs fixing.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 02, 2013
at 07:28 PM

Eugenia, I have seen more specialists that I can handle. Unfortunately, by now I know more than they do. It sounds weird, but it is true. I agree - some part of my body is completely off. But nobody knows which one. And the doctors are being total morons (only one knew what SIBO was and he told me to eat... green peas with sugar - no kidding!) So... I have to do what I have to do for now. If my body prefers raw foods, that's what I will eat. I trust my body more than I trust any doctor.

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

(11697)

on March 02, 2013
at 08:24 PM

I use pasteurized goat milk because I can't find it raw where I am. I prefer to not have cow's milk, because the cow A1 casein is not compatible with the human milk. Goats' is. Also, ferment kefir for 24 hours, to reduce lactose to minimal (the SCD suggests that too). There's no way you can crave that, it's extremely sour. You can't create more than 1 cup per day that way, if you're also eating a few grains on the way. So my suggestion is: retry kefir, but ferment it for 24 hours, and make it from goats.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 02, 2013
at 09:43 PM

Thanks for your advice. I have just recovered (I hope) from SIBO and my doctor told me it is going to take at least 2 months to feel better. Also I am awaiting for my blood work. So far I am low on bilirubin and high on cholesterol - those are the only two things I know. I will wait for two months as my doctor suggested. After that I will seriously consider other options. I am still battling from fatigue and low blood pressure after eating (it is called postprandial hypotension).

3959828c57f2aeddc08e5f374e92ad36

(87)

on March 27, 2013
at 02:01 AM

Hey, I found this searching sibo and raw foods. Are you still eating raw? I eat a partially raw diet, with raw meat and am wondering the same about SIBO and raw foods.

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

(11697)

on March 28, 2013
at 02:09 AM

I don't eat all raw, never did.

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Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on March 02, 2013
at 06:22 PM

Personally I wouldn't eat raw meat, check out my Hydrophilic Colloid Rich Diet question. I think it would be relatively relavant to this question, specifically Pottenger's paper: http://www.ppnf.org/about-ppnf/about-drs-price-and-pottenger/11-mainsitecontent/resources-section/50-hydrophilic-colloidal-diet . It's my understanding that a lot of pro raw foodists tout his work, so you might find some of his stuff interesting. GL with your SIBO.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 02, 2013
at 06:50 PM

Thanks for the article. It was interesting that he suggested beet juice (raw) as a mucilaginous alternative to gelatin. Also, he emphasized mixing raw milk with gelatin. Sounds tasty!

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on March 02, 2013
at 07:01 PM

Your Welcome, I liked it a lot and it took me almost an hour to find the full article. That link is to what is probably the only full text free version of it on the Internet.

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