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Do you drink raw milk?

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Do you drink raw milk? My friend brought me a pint of raw milk the other day to try and I was wondering if others were using it?

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on June 14, 2012
at 05:26 AM

Raw goat is the best, best, best. OMG. Yes. And the kefir - out of this world.

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on June 14, 2012
at 05:24 AM

Love it! Raw cream is un-be-li-ev-ab-ly deeelicious.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

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on August 18, 2011
at 01:33 AM

You could also try fermentation which will remove a lot of the sugar. Kefir or yogurt. Yummy and good for you and the bacteria eat up most of the sugar.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

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on August 18, 2011
at 01:32 AM

Cream is the way to go. Negligible carbs which are harmless for most. And count me as another one who's jealous.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on August 17, 2011
at 08:33 PM

What carbs in cream? Oh, look! If you look REAL CLOSE there they are. http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/dairy-and-egg-products/51/2 I envy you your Jersey.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on August 17, 2011
at 08:06 PM

bwahahahahahaa! bath milk! omg that is hilarious. the way we get around laws is so creative. the human brain is a wonder.

E3729a8ced86b9c7e133eb5de570abc8

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on June 17, 2011
at 11:19 AM

Sorry! Out here is in Australia! Good luck with your search though

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on June 16, 2011
at 07:37 AM

Thanks Jack for the headsup!

26368b97ba98b30eaf36e41fe85a638a

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on June 16, 2011
at 03:01 AM

Eric, Holsteins have been heavily bred for milk production (quantity not quality). On principle, when a food source is bred or engineered for industrial benefit rather than human health, the latter likely suffers. In fact, Holsteins have much lower milkfat compared to more traditional breeds such as Jersey, Guernsey, and Brown Swiss. They also have more A1 β-casein, which is a mutation found in most modern dairy cattle. There are alleged health implications to A1 milk, but they are being pushed by a company with an interest in promoting A2 milk, so it's far from conclusive at this point.

9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

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on June 15, 2011
at 09:36 PM

Making yogurt from raw milk without heating it first makes it clump up, more like buttermilk. To make creamy yogurt you are supposed to heat the milk to about 150F to denature the proteins, but this kills the enzymes that makes raw milk raw. The "clumpy" yogurt tastes fine but isn't what you usually think of when you think of yogurt. I prefer to just drink it straight.

9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

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on June 15, 2011
at 09:19 PM

Also, Google "Dan Allgyer" to learn about the FDA and how it treats raw milk like a controlled substance.

9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

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on June 15, 2011
at 09:06 PM

This might help http://www.realmilk.com/where1.html

254ea62982c287995e11bc3cfd629407

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on June 15, 2011
at 08:49 PM

I can't even find a good Fight Club around here. How the hell am I going to find a Raw Milk Club?

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

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on June 15, 2011
at 08:34 PM

To me, saying "Raw" Dairy almost gives it this implication that it *should* be cooked/processed, as though it isn't in already an optimal state, somehow unfinished. "Fresh" sounds so much better, and it's no euphemism - it's accurate! Pasteurized milk ain't fresh.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 15, 2011
at 04:37 PM

Private clubs for Raw Milk?! So you got to a "Speak Easy" to get your raw milk :)

E3c6d84c01a12e2ee1c49e2180d84238

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on June 15, 2011
at 03:51 PM

Ooh. Sounds like clotted cream. Now I'm jealous.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on June 15, 2011
at 02:52 PM

Hi Eric - I drink raw milk for sure. But just a heads up to you... there are multiple threads that discuss this already.

Ab19df3ededa28f7bf7daeba8435b205

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on June 15, 2011
at 01:21 PM

Andrew where is out here? I will be in 4-5 states over the next 10 days and would love to find some...UT MT WY ID and maybe CO.

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on June 15, 2011
at 12:16 PM

+1 for being pure evil!

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

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on June 15, 2011
at 10:44 AM

re: IGF-1, CLA seems to inhibit it. Raw milk will also have some lactase.

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

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on June 15, 2011
at 10:42 AM

Rice krispies have gluten, so I buy the generic brand that sweetens with sucrose instead of barley malt.

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

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on June 15, 2011
at 10:42 AM

crispy rice is a great cereal :), if you don't mind some rice of course. Fairly harmless, with only about 3g sugar (1.5 fructose) per serving.

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on June 15, 2011
at 06:02 AM

Can you expalin the no-Holstein part?

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on June 15, 2011
at 03:50 AM

Make yogurt. Make smoothies with whey powder, berries & eggs.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 15, 2011
at 03:47 AM

I would if I could access it. We used to have a milk cow when our kids were young and we all drank raw milk and ate homemade cheese, butter, & ricotta.

Just be sure the source is reliable and clean.

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26368b97ba98b30eaf36e41fe85a638a

on June 15, 2011
at 05:53 AM

Been drinking it almost daily for 7 years. I think it has some benefits, especially for muscle growth and weight gain, but also some potential issues (IGF-1, casein, lactose). I definitely do not think milk is a necessary component of an optimal diet, but if you want to drink milk, best if it's pastured, whole, unhomogenized, raw, non-Holstein.

Raw cream is less problematic and loaded with good fats including CLA, and is just amazing on fruit, dark chocolate, meat dishes and sauces, smoothies...you name it. One source of mine has a mechanical separator and sells cream so thick you can hold the jar upside down and it won't move. It's the consistency of soft ice cream but it's so much better.

E3c6d84c01a12e2ee1c49e2180d84238

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on June 15, 2011
at 03:51 PM

Ooh. Sounds like clotted cream. Now I'm jealous.

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on June 15, 2011
at 06:02 AM

Can you expalin the no-Holstein part?

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

(7304)

on June 15, 2011
at 10:44 AM

re: IGF-1, CLA seems to inhibit it. Raw milk will also have some lactase.

26368b97ba98b30eaf36e41fe85a638a

(90)

on June 16, 2011
at 03:01 AM

Eric, Holsteins have been heavily bred for milk production (quantity not quality). On principle, when a food source is bred or engineered for industrial benefit rather than human health, the latter likely suffers. In fact, Holsteins have much lower milkfat compared to more traditional breeds such as Jersey, Guernsey, and Brown Swiss. They also have more A1 β-casein, which is a mutation found in most modern dairy cattle. There are alleged health implications to A1 milk, but they are being pushed by a company with an interest in promoting A2 milk, so it's far from conclusive at this point.

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9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

on June 15, 2011
at 02:10 PM

Yes, we drink raw cow's milk on the regular. It's (ahem) not strictly legal around here, but there are private clubs where you can get it.

I've mentioned my experience with it here and here.

Many Paleo folks say that milk (of any kind) is not good for you because it spikes your blood sugar/insulin and there are certain proteins in the milk that are not good for you. I think it depends on how well you tolerate milk and what your dietary goals are. I think it is wonderful stuff for my kids, after my workouts, and for general health and nutrition. I was somewhat surprised to find out how much better my family tolerated the raw milk compared to supermarket milk.

Dr. Weil recently reversed his position on full-fat dairy which I think is interesting:

http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/QAA400919/Rethinking-Saturated-Fat.html

It really irks me that it is illegal in some areas and the gummint is spending time and money with sting operations like they use with drug dealers. That is one of the stupidest damn things I've ever heard of.

254ea62982c287995e11bc3cfd629407

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on June 15, 2011
at 08:49 PM

I can't even find a good Fight Club around here. How the hell am I going to find a Raw Milk Club?

9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

(15833)

on June 15, 2011
at 09:06 PM

This might help http://www.realmilk.com/where1.html

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 15, 2011
at 04:37 PM

Private clubs for Raw Milk?! So you got to a "Speak Easy" to get your raw milk :)

9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

(15833)

on June 15, 2011
at 09:19 PM

Also, Google "Dan Allgyer" to learn about the FDA and how it treats raw milk like a controlled substance.

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on June 15, 2011
at 11:30 AM

We get a gallon of raw Jersey milk a week from a friend. I was drinking it, but am trying to lean out, so I just scoop off some of the cream and make butter (amazing raw butter that is so farking tasty), then when the hubs is at work, I dump out his Mayfield milk and pour the raw milk in his jug.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on June 15, 2011
at 12:16 PM

+1 for being pure evil!

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 15, 2011
at 02:42 PM

Yes, I drink raw milk. Luckily, here in California it is legal. Whole Foods does not carry it any more, but my local mainstream supermarket does. I buy it there.

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on June 15, 2011
at 07:44 AM

Yes, I quite like our raw goat's milk.

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on June 14, 2012
at 05:26 AM

Raw goat is the best, best, best. OMG. Yes. And the kefir - out of this world.

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on June 14, 2012
at 03:09 AM

Chris Kresser wrote a nice post on raw milk buying guidelines http://chriskresser.com/raw-milk-reality-buying-raw-milk-safely

Free Guide Raw Milk Guide http://www.traditional-foods.com/resources/Buyers-Guide.pdf

The best article on raw milk I've seen so far! http://chriskresser.com/raw-milk-reality-is-raw-milk-dangerous

Books:

The Raw Milk Revolution: Behind America's Emerging Battle Over Food Rights by David E. Gumpert and Joel F. Salatin

The Untold Story of Milk, Revised and Updated: The History, Politics and Science of Nature's Perfect Food: Raw Milk from Pasture-Fed Cows by Dr. Ron Schmid, ND

The Raw Truth About Milk by Dr. William Campbell Douglass II, MD

I used to be terrified of raw milk until November 2011 when I started to drink it regularly.

Background: My mother was unable to nurse me due to severe medical issues, and cow's milk was hard to digest, so my first food was goat's milk. I drank pasteurized cow dairy later (sadly mostly low fat) products from an early age until age 26 and suffered gas. From age 11-26, I had acne which showed no improvement on various creams and antibiotics (now know the worst choice). Doctors said it "couldn't be dietary!"

At age 26,I self-diagnosed myself with lactose intolerance and switched to almond milk and using Lactaid (lactase enzyme supplement) for the occasional dairy. My acne disappeared and friends and family noticed. I never had issues with butter so ate it my entire life because all fake butters and margarines disgusted me.

I started low-carb reducing grains at age 31, then Paleo at age 32. My eczema went away on Paleo. 1 month after dairy elimination while supporting my husband on Paleo (he was going through a very rough time with gluten and autoimmune issues), we both reintroduced dairy - this time 100% whole pastured grass-fed but pasteurized. We had no issues with any amount of heavy cream, butter, and ghee. Other dairy products such as sour cream, cheese and yogurt no more then 1 serving a day would be fine but any more amounts of these products caused slight acne.

After the Weston Price Foundation conference meeting nearly 1000+ people consuming raw dairy their entire life extolling it's virtues, reading the literature, and visiting the raw dairy farms we decided n=1000 was too big to ignore. We realized raw milk was more natural then almond milk.

We have been consuming raw pastured whole fat grass-fed butter, heavy cream, milk, cheese, yogurt, sour cream, egg nog, creme fraiche (NOT all in 1 day) with NO symptoms - in fact we feel better then ever! We slowly increased the quantity to about 4 servings a day - we've never eaten that much dairy, and I don't think we would consume more because it's too filling and satiating.

Unlike in the past, as a child when I ate processed ice cream and felt addicted (perhaps opiate receptors, sugar, and gluten), the raw dairy I don't feel addicted to it. Whether I have 1-3 servings a day, I don't want anymore. When we travel and limit dairy (because it's pasteurized) we miss 2 things the most - raw dairy and fermented veggies!

We learned a lot WAPF, and Natasha Campbell-McBride whose GAPS diet is quite similar to Paleo recommending reintroducing raw dairy in small amounts once the gut was sealed and healed. We have come to believe the more probiotic species the better for the immune system and the best way to collect a wide variety is through raw dairy since fermented vegetables don't have that diversity. Even here on PH, kefir is acknowledged to have the most species! http://paleohacks.com/questions/73151/which-has-a-greater-number-of-species-and-quantity-of-probiotics-fermented-vegg#axzz1m8YbEQOt

Since raw dairy helps with allergies, which is an overreaction of the immune system - perhaps it might help with autoimmune issues too?

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on August 17, 2011
at 09:43 PM

I drink raw milk, right now anyway. I have blood tested IGG for casein intolerance (sky high) and was quite nervous about it. So far so good. I actually wouldn't drink milk, but am trying to restore my gut. I have been drinking about 2 gallons a week.

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on August 17, 2011
at 07:58 PM

We have a jersey cow that we milk that is almost ready to calve and I was just wondering if we drank just the cream off the top and gave the rest to the chickens and dogs. Went to a lot of trouble to get this cow and milked her last year and gained 5#. What about the carbs in cream?

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on August 17, 2011
at 08:33 PM

What carbs in cream? Oh, look! If you look REAL CLOSE there they are. http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/dairy-and-egg-products/51/2 I envy you your Jersey.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

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on August 18, 2011
at 01:33 AM

You could also try fermentation which will remove a lot of the sugar. Kefir or yogurt. Yummy and good for you and the bacteria eat up most of the sugar.

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on August 18, 2011
at 01:32 AM

Cream is the way to go. Negligible carbs which are harmless for most. And count me as another one who's jealous.

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559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

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on June 15, 2011
at 08:33 PM

yes! but not that often; I use raw (i like to use the word "fresh" instead) butter and cream all the time though.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

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on June 15, 2011
at 08:34 PM

To me, saying "Raw" Dairy almost gives it this implication that it *should* be cooked/processed, as though it isn't in already an optimal state, somehow unfinished. "Fresh" sounds so much better, and it's no euphemism - it's accurate! Pasteurized milk ain't fresh.

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on June 15, 2011
at 06:41 AM

Out here raw dairy is still illegal. The way around it is that it is sold as Bath Milk and is relatively easy to find if you know where to look.

My family drank it for a couple of years before we recently took dairy completely out of the house. The kids thought it weird at first but liked the taste. I noticed less stuffed up sinuses and better reaction in the gut than to 'normal'milk. A little costly but well worth it for the health benefits.

Make sure you know the source too. It's important to know that the cows are looked after so they produce a better quality product.

Ab19df3ededa28f7bf7daeba8435b205

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on June 15, 2011
at 01:21 PM

Andrew where is out here? I will be in 4-5 states over the next 10 days and would love to find some...UT MT WY ID and maybe CO.

E3729a8ced86b9c7e133eb5de570abc8

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on June 17, 2011
at 11:19 AM

Sorry! Out here is in Australia! Good luck with your search though

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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at 08:06 PM

bwahahahahahaa! bath milk! omg that is hilarious. the way we get around laws is so creative. the human brain is a wonder.

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on June 15, 2011
at 04:36 AM

No. Not comfortable with the idea.

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on June 15, 2011
at 04:14 AM

Today I found a farm about twenty minutes from my home. It's a tiny place, but they've got raw milk and cream from grass-fed cows as well eggs and seasonal veg and fruits and extremely free-range chickens. Today I got a half gallon of cream that I'll use in my coffee a couple of days a week. I'll try and make butter from it as well. This is my first experience with raw dairy cream and I'm really looking forward to it.

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on June 15, 2011
at 03:44 AM

I like raw milk.. problem is there arent any good paleo cereal options that i know of.. and im not a big fan of drinking milk straight up.. so I end up drinking it somewhat infrequently. Anyone have good paleo cereal substitutes?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 15, 2011
at 03:50 AM

Make yogurt. Make smoothies with whey powder, berries & eggs.

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

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on June 15, 2011
at 10:42 AM

Rice krispies have gluten, so I buy the generic brand that sweetens with sucrose instead of barley malt.

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

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on June 15, 2011
at 10:42 AM

crispy rice is a great cereal :), if you don't mind some rice of course. Fairly harmless, with only about 3g sugar (1.5 fructose) per serving.

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at 09:36 PM

Making yogurt from raw milk without heating it first makes it clump up, more like buttermilk. To make creamy yogurt you are supposed to heat the milk to about 150F to denature the proteins, but this kills the enzymes that makes raw milk raw. The "clumpy" yogurt tastes fine but isn't what you usually think of when you think of yogurt. I prefer to just drink it straight.

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