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Anyone against radiation, cell phones, cell phone towers, and wi-fi?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created August 28, 2011 at 6:29 PM

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Cellphone Radiation - Care Factor?

These all make our lives easier, but our lives aren't any easier if we have no energy all the time and can't physically be our best. In any populated area in the US, you now almost always are in the presence of wireless internet being shot through air, or have a cellphone on you, or around a cell phone tower. These things work because they can go through anything, meaning our bodies as well. Anyone out there adamant about this and actually moved to rural setting to get rid of this exposure?

3fc95bca9e723edfbbb72b172798ab49

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on November 14, 2013
at 04:14 AM

...

Seriously? Well, at any rate:

"i've been wanting a device to measure the output from the modem but they're so freaking expensive"

Keeping tabs on things such as frequency, power levels and signal to noise ratio are extremely important for modem diagnostics. Pretty much every modem sold will have a suite of such information available in its web interface - no extra tools necessary.

3fc95bca9e723edfbbb72b172798ab49

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on November 10, 2013
at 05:00 PM

What's funny about this is that radio jamming involves flooding a frequency in order to lower the signal to noise ratio to the point of being unintelligible. This is pretty much the opposite of what these people would want.

3fc95bca9e723edfbbb72b172798ab49

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on November 10, 2013
at 04:52 PM

Okay, I'm going to be pedantic here and point out things such as light and heat radiation. But let's assume you are referring to nuclear radiation. Nuclear radiation is surprisingly central to almost all life as we know it. The "closed system" we call our planet would be dead cold without the energy it receives from solar radiation. What little energy the Earth does create on its own, in the form of geothermal energy, is mostly from radioactive decay. I understand the fear, I really do, but it is like saying "nothing good can come from fire". It is a cornerstone to our existence.

6d64cd6dc98d6ab763bd03678a317964

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on November 10, 2013
at 01:28 AM

lol. But what do you say to all the studies over at bioinitiative?

3fc95bca9e723edfbbb72b172798ab49

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on November 08, 2013
at 08:11 PM

Which is more mentally sound than browsing for pictures of strangers and arguing with cats.

Fa14fbe0ac345e586fb407dbed9eda04

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on November 08, 2013
at 10:29 AM

Don't forget that instead of going through said knowledge, you're most likely browsing it for pictures of cats and arguing with strangers.

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on November 07, 2013
at 11:15 AM

Cell phone jammers emit em radiation to jam the signal, and are also ilkegal for civilian use in mist countries.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on October 12, 2013
at 07:00 AM

"Are you electron deficient?" -Earthing mat store. lol

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on October 10, 2013
at 07:18 PM

Sorry. Hard for me to take you seriously, when your name is SzumiaWierzbyHopHop. Wascally Wabbit! I have more faith in that BreadEatingBeezleBub whatever that means...

7904c7276d7e48f1be887fabd263bfd9

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on October 10, 2013
at 10:06 AM

an upvote for you and for science.

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on October 09, 2013
at 09:37 PM

Jamming cell phones just adds more radiation.

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on October 09, 2013
at 02:51 PM

plus it comes on at the same time as teh Simpsons...

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on October 09, 2013
at 02:36 PM

I tend to agree with mth below. But even if I thought these things were a REAL problem, I tend not to worry about the things I can't control. I doubt I could have much impact getting radio stations to shut down, for example. This is why I don't watch much news - It's aggravating and there's not much I can do to influence the outcome of disasters, crime and stupidity.

7904c7276d7e48f1be887fabd263bfd9

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on October 09, 2013
at 02:27 PM

lol, keep it well hidden. last thing paleo needs is cell phone jammers and tin foil hats to go along with our backyard chickens and saturated fats. ^.^

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 02, 2011
at 01:21 AM

whatever, I'm just looking for people who are on board with me about how wi-fi is what causing your depression. I don't care to argue something that's true.

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on August 29, 2011
at 03:09 AM

@Robert, "You gals didn't get the question"--(1) rather patronizing, and (2) I think @mth is a guy

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on August 29, 2011
at 12:43 AM

They're telling you that moving to a rural area won't stop your exposure to cell phone radiation. The towers are everywhere.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 28, 2011
at 10:00 PM

You gals didn't get the question. The only thing that matters is health. I'm searching for people who found their specific health problems got better/worse based on the level of exposure. Why are you telling me the differences in electrical currents, they all are things that the body isn't designed to handle at the extremes that we expose ourselves to.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

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on August 28, 2011
at 07:01 PM

I lived in one of the most rural, remote areas in the contiguous 48 - southeast Utah. Google Earth Halls Crossing Utah. REMOTE! No I didn't get cell service or internet, but this area is a HOT BED for Uranium mining.

D3ff004d4a0c42b67cc2c49a5ee9c0f3

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on August 28, 2011
at 06:55 PM

Erin, I agree 100%

D3ff004d4a0c42b67cc2c49a5ee9c0f3

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on August 28, 2011
at 06:54 PM

I couldn't agree with you more!

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on August 28, 2011
at 06:51 PM

Spend a day on a farm. We probably use cell phones, gps, etc. more than some city dwellers.

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D3ff004d4a0c42b67cc2c49a5ee9c0f3

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on August 28, 2011
at 06:42 PM

This may surprise you, but rural areas have cell phones, can receive satellite TV, have the ability to receive over the air TV, AM and FM radio, GPS signals, a variety of hand held wireless devices like "walkie talkies," WI-FI, electricity, running water and some of us in rural areas even wear shoes.

Not to mention rural areas are bombarded with all the radio waves coming from our solar system and deep space.

EDIT:

I just looked at your blog and I have another surprise for you; Radio Frequency radiation is not the same thing as ionizing radiation and anecdotal evidence is not data.

D3ff004d4a0c42b67cc2c49a5ee9c0f3

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on August 28, 2011
at 06:55 PM

Erin, I agree 100%

D3ff004d4a0c42b67cc2c49a5ee9c0f3

(5801)

on August 28, 2011
at 06:54 PM

I couldn't agree with you more!

485bcefe7f1f7a6df1a293a826bf6137

(2191)

on August 29, 2011
at 12:43 AM

They're telling you that moving to a rural area won't stop your exposure to cell phone radiation. The towers are everywhere.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on August 28, 2011
at 10:00 PM

You gals didn't get the question. The only thing that matters is health. I'm searching for people who found their specific health problems got better/worse based on the level of exposure. Why are you telling me the differences in electrical currents, they all are things that the body isn't designed to handle at the extremes that we expose ourselves to.

6426d61a13689f8f651164b10f121d64

(11478)

on August 29, 2011
at 03:09 AM

@Robert, "You gals didn't get the question"--(1) rather patronizing, and (2) I think @mth is a guy

8e1876a74536739ecf7bef97d5d97b76

(747)

on August 28, 2011
at 06:51 PM

Spend a day on a farm. We probably use cell phones, gps, etc. more than some city dwellers.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 02, 2011
at 01:21 AM

whatever, I'm just looking for people who are on board with me about how wi-fi is what causing your depression. I don't care to argue something that's true.

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3b2f68c261067b10f9e1473496b7d9a3

on November 11, 2013
at 01:53 AM

i am. TOTALLY. after a year of in and outs of the hospital, i found that my racing heart was likely due to my freaking internet modem. i've learned to stay out of the house while someone is using it and i make sure it's unplugged at night. since then, no more racing hearts NOR restless nights. i've been wanting a device to measure the output from the modem but they're so freaking expensive and I'm not sure i'd get much out of it, especially now that i just stay away from them. i use a wireless signal with the modem in another area...but i've limited my internet time drastically.....down to about 1 to 2 hours a day. before i was using it m ore often, maybe 4 or so...but i was always around the modem and it was never turned off. i highly believe whatever the darn thing was emitting is NOT good for my health. Might I add that I felt BURNING sensations in my head weeks before. Every time I sat in front of the computer my head/body would feel like it was burning. it was HORRIBLE. months later i finally made the connection with the internet modem. i thought it was the computer itself, but after turning off the computer with the modem still running, i realized that it was indeed the modem, not the computer. people, please be careful!!!! i'm now cautious of all technology and anything that just doesnt seem "normal"....i took a lot of magnesium baths afterward and i think that helped with my situation. seems this stumped my doctors, but i'm not crazy. lol. i know burning sensations when i feel them!

3fc95bca9e723edfbbb72b172798ab49

(1354)

on November 14, 2013
at 04:14 AM

...

Seriously? Well, at any rate:

"i've been wanting a device to measure the output from the modem but they're so freaking expensive"

Keeping tabs on things such as frequency, power levels and signal to noise ratio are extremely important for modem diagnostics. Pretty much every modem sold will have a suite of such information available in its web interface - no extra tools necessary.

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on November 10, 2013
at 01:38 PM

Below comes a lengthy comment to Nvor's answer here.

@Nvor : While i disagree with your main point here - that there's no iffluence of RF EM radiation on living organisms proven - i somewhat like your answer. Most people wouldn't even consider the possibility of psychological factors making them feel this or that way about subjects of controversy. To allow such possibility means, i think, to admit in a way the potential existence of a bias in oneself. My personal feelings about ubiquitous wireless communication systems & devices are very much like you summarized in the paragraph before last. The view of BSTs does make me feel oppressed. It's not about getting paranoid about invigilation, social control etc. (though these are considerations to some extent). It's more like a feeling of inability to escape the ever densifying web that has already covered the whole planet anyway. This is especially "painful" for me when i'm in mountains, for instance, and still see those (ugly!) towers and people happily illuminating their faces with smartphones mostly without a good reason to do that. Plus there's this awareness of something "being in the air", making the environment tainted in some subtle way and not allowing me to fully connect with nature. Such are my internal reactions - and i too work in IT, as a freelance programmer and software engineer, go figure...

While those inclinations are somewhat irrational right now, i'm convinced there's some validity to them at some level, perhaps beyond science at its current stage. Thing is, our bodies work in much more subtle ways than presently acknowledged within the mainstream. For instance biophysicist Fritz A. Popp concludes that DNA is essentally an electromagnetically resonant structure that uses photons to transmit information. He detailed it in a book - "The Biology of Light". There seems to exist the whole new field of science that could be called "boinformatics" (weren't the name already in use) which tells us how biological systems utilize electricity and EMF for communication (recent example). What if external, relatively strong fields, like those produced by our devices, can disrupt this subtle communication? Can this account for my feeling of "broken harmony"?

Then there's variety of more conventional research papers that actually show how low level RF EMFs can alter processes in living organisms, as listed on (largely ignored) BioInitiative website. I think this collection of research, together with the work of people like Popp, validates my a'priori mindset to an extent.

(Sorry for imperfect English)

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on November 10, 2013
at 03:10 AM

Nothing good can come from radiation. I'm more concerned about technologies effect on SOCIETY.

3fc95bca9e723edfbbb72b172798ab49

(1354)

on November 10, 2013
at 04:52 PM

Okay, I'm going to be pedantic here and point out things such as light and heat radiation. But let's assume you are referring to nuclear radiation. Nuclear radiation is surprisingly central to almost all life as we know it. The "closed system" we call our planet would be dead cold without the energy it receives from solar radiation. What little energy the Earth does create on its own, in the form of geothermal energy, is mostly from radioactive decay. I understand the fear, I really do, but it is like saying "nothing good can come from fire". It is a cornerstone to our existence.

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3fc95bca9e723edfbbb72b172798ab49

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on November 07, 2013
at 02:27 PM

After seeing this thread bumped I'd like to add a few extra thoughts, and I sincerely hope the original poster sees this.

It sounds as though you may be one of those people who claim that they experience things such as headaches and general malaise when around wireless devices/towers. I believe you, 100%, when you make this claim. I have no reason to doubt you. If you say you feel shitty around wireless towers, then you feel shitty around wireless towers. End of that debate.

However, let us look at this from another perspective - mine. I actually feel wonderful around these same monuments of technology. This isn't hyperbole for the sake of an argument. I really do get this affect. I feel safe, healthy and at ease. I could hypothesize that the towers are giving off radiation that is helping me in some way. Perhaps killing off some pathogens in my body, or sniping tiny cancerous growths, or directly nailing the pleasure centers of my brain. So I sit down and check out what science has been done. Clinical studies show no changes, positive or negative. Epidemiological studies are....almost always useless. Paper napkin physics/biology DEFINITELY disagree with my hypothesis.

What do I think is going on here? I find communication comforting. I work in IT and am in school for software engineering. These monuments of information exchange represent everything I think is right in our world. Seeing a cell phone tower reminds me that I have, in my pocket, a device that will let me contact anyone in the world, almost instantly, while allowing to search through the decentralized repository of almost all accumulated human knowledge (the Internet). World War III could break out that very moment and I could call my brother in San Francisco. I find that comforting.

Many people, however, find our modern bombardment of communication and information troubling. They feel oppressed, possibly out of place. To many these same towers may be symbols, reminders, of how out of control our world seems to have gotten. This would certainly make me feel shitty, even if the damned thing was off.

I'm sorry, I wish I had more time to flesh out the end of this thought but I have to get on the road (what was that about modern life being horrible?). Perhaps I will return to this thought this evening.

Fa14fbe0ac345e586fb407dbed9eda04

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on November 08, 2013
at 10:29 AM

Don't forget that instead of going through said knowledge, you're most likely browsing it for pictures of cats and arguing with strangers.

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Fa14fbe0ac345e586fb407dbed9eda04

on November 07, 2013
at 02:15 AM

electromagnetic radiation is real, don't let any one fool you, and yes, your phone and wi-fi adapter do actually release radiation.

However, as it was mentioned before, you risk more molecular radiation damage going out for 10(!!!!) minutes on a warm sunny day than you risk sleeping with your phone for a year.

Why, you ask?

Have you ever been sun burnt?

That red, painful, dull ache caused by the red surfaces on the burnt skin

Radiation burn.

And severe ones from that

Yes, "Radiation burn"

See, if for example someone would place a block of enriched Uranium on your exposed skin(and suppose you wouldn't get radiation sickness or cancer), your skin would be as cooked as it is from a sun burn.

There would be no discernible difference, because there is none;

Both are radiation burns caused by ionizing radiation.

Why else do you think tan people have the highest occurrences of skin cancer?

Cuz it's fun?

Nope

It's because they were exposed to literal, honest to god, mutagenic radiation.

Also, do keep in mind there actually ARE people who are allergic to EM waves, but there's like...

100 recorded cases of it, so it's incredibly fucking rare.

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on November 06, 2013
at 11:46 AM

I'd be against ionizing radiation and high powered microwaves. :) Not something your cell phone, tower, or wifi would put out. If you have an older microwave, check its seals, or replace it. If you live on radon emitting land, move.

It's also probably not a great idea to use your cellphone without a headset/earphones, but it won't cause much damage.

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on November 06, 2013
at 09:24 AM

Now RF jammer kits have played an important role in helping people during their daily life and help them in many other aspects. Have you ever heard and seen such a device such as the Remote Control Jammer and want to know more about in what aspect it can help you and how can you make full use of it? You have come to the right place if you are with such opinion can be the best place for you to start your first step with.

3fc95bca9e723edfbbb72b172798ab49

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on November 10, 2013
at 05:00 PM

What's funny about this is that radio jamming involves flooding a frequency in order to lower the signal to noise ratio to the point of being unintelligible. This is pretty much the opposite of what these people would want.

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on October 11, 2013
at 02:57 AM

This is pretty funny. I'm thinking about wrapping my head in foil now. Maybe I'll wrap my kefir while I'm at it, and my cat.

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on October 12, 2013
at 07:00 AM

"Are you electron deficient?" -Earthing mat store. lol

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on October 10, 2013
at 11:12 AM

Yes, and there *is* science behind that despite the wide-spread talk on supposed neutrality of low-level EMF.

I advise everyone at least to have a look at http://www.bioinitiative.org/ website and their collection of research on how low-level EMFs impact living organisms. The mere summary of the research from 1990-2012 numbers over 500 pages. Reported effects are too numerous to describe them here in concise way.

Go to http://www.bioinitiative.org/table-of-contents/ and open the " SUMMARY FOR THE PUBLIC AND CONCLUSIONS" section. Table 1-2 alone makes one's hair stand up...

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on October 10, 2013
at 07:18 PM

Sorry. Hard for me to take you seriously, when your name is SzumiaWierzbyHopHop. Wascally Wabbit! I have more faith in that BreadEatingBeezleBub whatever that means...

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on October 10, 2013
at 05:18 AM

Absolutely not. Radio waves are HILARIOUSLY low on the electromagnetic spectrum and as such are not in any way ionizing. They simply do NOT have the energy it takes to knock an electron away from an atom. They can't do it. Never will. Sorry, even if you sleep with your cell phone under your pillow for 13 years straight it will never cause a single electron in your fragile little body to go astray. Nope. Not a single one. Well, unless you hooked it up to a gnarly power source and somehow managed to turn your iPhone into an x-ray source (if you can do this you deserve a very high paying job somewhere very secret). You have more to fear from your phone's paint job and plastic than from the wireless signal.

You have much (READ: MUCH) more to fear from a red light bulb than you do from your cell phone. Hell, if you're afraid of your TV's rabbit ears then forget about the sun, you may as well just take your cyanide pill rather than bask in the warm glow of that particular radiation clusterfuck.

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on October 10, 2013
at 10:06 AM

an upvote for you and for science.

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on October 09, 2013
at 09:40 PM

I try and keep any electronic device out of my bedroom at night to keep any potential ill affects of radiation at bay. Otherwise there isn't too much that can be done.

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on October 09, 2013
at 06:53 AM

Cell phone jammer is an interesting and helpful device when we don’t want to be bothered by the cell phone noise. I just bought myself a cell phone jammer the other day, it is working great and BTW, it’s legal here in my country. [edit: spam link removed]

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on October 09, 2013
at 02:27 PM

lol, keep it well hidden. last thing paleo needs is cell phone jammers and tin foil hats to go along with our backyard chickens and saturated fats. ^.^

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on October 09, 2013
at 09:37 PM

Jamming cell phones just adds more radiation.

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on November 07, 2013
at 11:15 AM

Cell phone jammers emit em radiation to jam the signal, and are also ilkegal for civilian use in mist countries.

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