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Any fabulously queer paleos out here?! What's up w/that Ancestral Health graphic?!

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created July 17, 2011 at 2:36 AM

Sexuality doesn't really have much to do with diet from what I can tell (except us homos are know for being not-too-shabby in the kitchen, or ordering for pals at a restaurant), yet there's these hetero undertones and leanings in paleo land when we compare everything to paleolithic people and the "survival of the species," making reproductivity take center stage.

Honestly I hadn't given it too much thought and nor would I usually entertain commenting about stuff like this--until I just looked at the ancestral health symposium splash page and saw a graphic of a man w/spear and a woman w/a basket for presumed gathering in silhouette--and got irked! Yikes!!

What gives?! Anyone else here find this a crazy, sexist, politically and socially retrograde image?!

This tangentially just makes me I'm wonder if there's any other homos or queers out here on paleohacks. I know already there are some lady feministas here for sure...

Just curious.

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

@gn "gays in paleo world? - is that a joke!?? - anyone abnormal (and, let's be clear, from a biological (=reproductive) perspective gays surely are) would have been quickly exterminated" Absolutely wrong. Homosexuality in nature has been demonstrated countless times. Just read up on it for 5 seconds before you throw wild claims about. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 23, 2011
at 02:41 AM

Watch it with your slander Patrik! I have never sent anybody harassing emails. Be ready to produce evidence of it and, if anybody has accused me of it, they had better be ready to produce an email proving it. Perhaps we could discuss the silly cabal that was organized against the Quilt. Seems like I have an email that was sent to me about that.

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on July 23, 2011
at 12:32 AM

@ladyp -- I don't know what "progressive communication" is -- and I won't simply entertain untrue & unfair claims homophobia, racism and sexism -- also, they may exist in you - but they don't exist in me. I have been vociferous and active in stamping any such things out on PaleoHacks.

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on July 23, 2011
at 12:30 AM

@ThomasSeay -- funny you should comment that -- since several people have sent me emails about the harassing emails you send them.

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on July 20, 2011
at 12:43 AM

Hey Patrick, I think it's important for progressive communication that we protest hate speech but entertain all claims of homophobia, racism and sexism with an open mind and assumption that they exist everywhere, and well, in all of us.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 19, 2011
at 02:27 PM

Patrik, just because you say so does not make it so. Several women have spoken to me about how sexist they find the environment up here. I am not saying that you created it to be such.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 17, 2011
at 03:25 PM

Goddammit I got my account cancelled!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 17, 2011
at 04:31 AM

@Shari "Yes. Yes it would" - alright, but would have had more chances of hunting down a mammoth - stronger men or weaker women? - the answer is obvious, and thus makes it quite difficult to believe that it is women who would have had spears and, gays in paleo world? - is that a joke!?? - anyone abnormal (and, let's be clear, from a biological (=reproductive) perspective gays surely are) would have been quickly exterminated

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

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on July 17, 2011
at 04:29 AM

i b'leve gn is in japan. (?) patriarchal gender roles that are still holding pret-ty strong there.

3fc07ff31006b1860083f0cfe4472ae4

(561)

on July 17, 2011
at 04:28 AM

That's kinda why I had to say something finally. Bringing up homo stuff can really spotlight the debbie downers, huh? There's a disco ball twinkling over this paleo campfire!

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on July 17, 2011
at 04:25 AM

If multiple sclerosis was representative of the majority of our ancestors, we wouldn't be here. Same with anything that reduces chances of reproduction. What's your point in your first sentence?

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on July 17, 2011
at 04:23 AM

@ladyp -- I respect your views but PaleoHacks is not the place for this discussion. Closing the question due to subjective/argumentative discussion this will produce.

742d03cebff2a6d8aae313e90d5c76b8

(325)

on July 17, 2011
at 04:22 AM

I think your assumption is wrong that it's only been in the last generations that our species uses sex as enjoyment and recreation. I think our Paleo ancestors were probably habitual diddlers. Have you ever watched apes? Lordy, those things haven't learned shame and guilt and modesty.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on July 17, 2011
at 04:20 AM

Ok, now I'm just sad. And I realized this is a PHer formerly known (and banned) by other names. He is a troubled boy.

93f44e8673d3ea2294cce085ebc96e13

(10502)

on July 17, 2011
at 04:20 AM

@ThomasSeay -- this site is neither anti-homosexual nor sexist. Please do not project silly and untrue things like that on PaleoHacks.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on July 17, 2011
at 04:18 AM

Wait, now I'm just sad. And I realized this is a PHer formerly known (and banned) by some other names. Troubled boy.

Ef4c5b09fdccf73be575d3a0c267fdd9

(2539)

on July 17, 2011
at 04:15 AM

Ha wow this is hilarious considering I'm gay and just as "gay" as ever with a High T level thanks to Paleo style dieting.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on July 17, 2011
at 04:15 AM

Oh Mark. Wow. Sheeeit. Next thing you know Bachmann really will be president.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 17, 2011
at 04:13 AM

I agree with Meredith, great question. Just as I have wondered why more feminists have not pointed out the bs on this site, I have also wondered why more homosexuals haven't come in to break up the monotony.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on July 17, 2011
at 04:09 AM

LOL No, really.

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on July 17, 2011
at 04:07 AM

+1 to LadyP for radical honesty/authenticity. I think the logo is a statement about just how dominant in cultural consciousness the dominant culture is. Thanks for bringing it forward, so that at the very least, it peeps up in some brains...

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on July 17, 2011
at 04:02 AM

Heh...+1 for you Meredith and if it could be, it would be +500.

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on July 17, 2011
at 04:01 AM

-1 - "men rule and women OBEY?" Read up. There are and have been, matriarchal lineage cultures. That means from a cultural structure standpoint: Women rule and men obey. I, however, am not for *anyone* "obeying. And if there is "sickness" anywhere (see Mark's reply) it exists in relationships between the sexes or between same sex partners in which there is a "ruler and obeyer" relationship.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on July 17, 2011
at 03:57 AM

SOMEONE! Grenadine is trapped in a cortisol-laughing loop! Call 911 - Anyone know her address!?!?! Oh shizz, I just read the post.... hahahahahahaha I'm dropping the phone! Sorry G - I'm going down too!

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on July 17, 2011
at 03:56 AM

-1 for you Mark, for YOUR "sickness of the mind." Being gay is a result of eating grains????? OMG. What in hells bells have YOU been eating, lol!

3fc07ff31006b1860083f0cfe4472ae4

(561)

on July 17, 2011
at 03:53 AM

Thanks for breaking down the semiotics of the image Meredith! @RPS,"I'm kind of amazed by how many people here in the comments can't imagine what it's like to be born with a different perspective on life, yet think they can imagine how our ancestors lived and think they might be mimicking their diets." GREAT comment. You called it. Hear hear! The internet didn't create dogma, but it sure fed it some gorgeous omega-3-laden-grass-fed steaks to get it big and strong!

E7be2ce38158357f5dacae07b43d1b29

on July 17, 2011
at 03:48 AM

In general, I agree, but bi is very different from straight or gay, and bis don't always want the same things. And bi isn't the same as being gay and having sex with someone while fantasizing that the person is someone else, which is how many babies show up when someone gay marries someone straight. I can say this because I know that I am straight after being in two threesomes and have been approached by some really, really cute girls, and while I was flattered, there was no attraction, and I have lots of gay/bi friends. But seriously - we ALL have gay relatives and ancestors!!!

E7be2ce38158357f5dacae07b43d1b29

on July 17, 2011
at 03:43 AM

LMAO BeyondthePa1e !!!!!!! OMG BEST DEEP GUTTURAL LAUGH I'VE HAD IN WEEKS!!! LOL... dying... ;)

07154e6d8e42065f230d06249700fe5b

(2057)

on July 17, 2011
at 03:42 AM

Um, wow. Do you exist in real life? Is your last name Bachmann?

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on July 17, 2011
at 03:41 AM

omg i am STILL laughing! i always thought there was something weird about this guy. this shiz is BONKAPALOOZA

E7be2ce38158357f5dacae07b43d1b29

on July 17, 2011
at 03:41 AM

Great points, and I'm kind of amazed by how many people here in the comments can't imagine what it's like to be born with a different perspective on life, yet think they can imagine how our ancestors lived and think they might be mimicking their diets. Hah! One really needs to step out of one's own head and way of thinking and really try to "get" that a lot of what we all believe are things we were conditioned to believe. Probably not as much conditioning going on back with our paleo ancestors, and our gay paleo folk probably had less issues doing their thang.

Bcad307b240275ae3f5820ba6eb4a712

(923)

on July 17, 2011
at 03:39 AM

Can I nominate "Gluten=gay" as the most incredible woo-theory to ever grace Paleohacks? I can't even bring myself to downvote it. I think they teach this in Bro-Science 101

Bcad307b240275ae3f5820ba6eb4a712

(923)

on July 17, 2011
at 03:39 AM

Can I nominate "Gluten=gay" as the most incredible woo-theory to ever grace Paleohacks. I can't even bring myself to downvote it. I think they teach this in Bro-Science 101.

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on July 17, 2011
at 03:36 AM

we are assuming they are a couple.. I don't see it like that.. I see a man and a woman, not a couple.. I see that the image is trying to portray both roles- hunter and gatherer... sexist maybe.. but nothing to do with sexuality. I do believe homosexuality has existed forever as it is in nature.. but again, we don't know that this is a "couple", just a man and a woman walking together.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on July 17, 2011
at 03:32 AM

!!hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahabarf

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 17, 2011
at 03:32 AM

Being gay is "more of a result of eating grains actually" ? I just peed myself laughing. Holy shit and FFS indeed....

215d3126214343a5760316f195a06b97

on July 17, 2011
at 03:32 AM

there's a woman (eye candy for dudes or lesbians, role model for women) and there's a man (eye candy for women and gay dudes, role model for men).. I don't see the problem. They aren't kissing, we don't know if they are a couple, related, siblings, father and daughter, neighbors, whatever.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on July 17, 2011
at 03:31 AM

WWHWHWHHWHAAAAAT?!?!?!! Oh laaaawd.

E7be2ce38158357f5dacae07b43d1b29

on July 17, 2011
at 03:29 AM

Oh FFS... you really think gay people don't have a sex drive? LMAO... you go back to your closet for a while...

3fc07ff31006b1860083f0cfe4472ae4

(561)

on July 17, 2011
at 03:22 AM

@ Rock Paper Shirley, (love your profile name) I love that you're making me picture my gay paleo ancestors! LOVE THAT! My imagination is soaring! I honestly never loved the "I didn't choose to be gay" line cos it seems apologetic and then there's tho bisexuals--and THEN, well, there's just having the right to have a good time whenever and however you want! Hellz to the yeah.

E7be2ce38158357f5dacae07b43d1b29

on July 17, 2011
at 03:19 AM

It only appeals to both sexes if you're not gay.

E7be2ce38158357f5dacae07b43d1b29

on July 17, 2011
at 03:19 AM

Well, I know I was born straight, and no one could make me gay, not even the fabulous Stephanie Miller. So I have no problem accepting that other people are born gay, and should be free to express themselves, and no problem accepting that gay has always been part of the paradigm. It's seen in the animal world, and we are all animals. I'm thinking that in paleo days, a lot of groups of women and men would break off and live separately, at least most of the time. Archaeology is starting to show that, and it just makes sense.

E7be2ce38158357f5dacae07b43d1b29

on July 17, 2011
at 03:15 AM

And neither would it be wise to gloss over the fact that there have always been gay people. Or an "oldest profession in the world" for that matter, which is not a comparison, as hooking is a choice and being gay or straight is not, but another example about how sexual expression and even gender roles aren't as simple as some would like to think, or as The Churches have established over modern history.

E7be2ce38158357f5dacae07b43d1b29

on July 17, 2011
at 03:13 AM

Who said it was the majority? Or that it's something everyone should be? The reality is that the world is full of all different kinds of people, and going along with what "the most" do generally isn't a requirement. I'm here, and I'm sure I had gay ancestors. I sure as hell have gay relatives. And since I KNOW I was born straight, I think it's safe to say they were born gay. Especially my cousin. Like duh - obvious by age 10...

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on July 17, 2011
at 03:10 AM

"so, would your 'political.correctness'-consciousness be more pleased if the man had a basket, and woman held a spear?" Yes. Yes it would.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on July 17, 2011
at 03:09 AM

LOL @ grenadine. Word, girlfriend. Word.

3fc07ff31006b1860083f0cfe4472ae4

(561)

on July 17, 2011
at 03:03 AM

KOOL. Nice to meet you Arunava!

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

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on July 17, 2011
at 02:53 AM

not queer, but i totally feel you. I'm just grateful there's a woman included at all. just kidding... sort of.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on July 17, 2011
at 02:49 AM

totally feel you, though I'm not queer. i'm just grateful to see a woman included in the picture. just kidding. sort of.

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(24286)

on July 17, 2011
at 02:48 AM

+1 for bringing up a excellent point! My hetero brain, feminist-leaning though it may be, did not pick this up. Good job! Wonder if there are any women involved in this project? Hmmm.

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0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on July 17, 2011
at 03:30 AM

First off - despite the following RANT I assume that the makers of this image prolly did not intend to offend anyone. Marketing (Paleo or not) surely does not wish to alienate any potential market.

Here goes:

I'm married - but that does NOT mean I wouldn't be a lesbian under the right circumstances. Is gay Paleo? Is love Paleo? Is companionship and understanding Paleo?

WTF people! Who's to say that "paleo gays" wouldn't have procreated as well!? Last time I checked it just took one whirl with a vagina and a penis to make a descendant. Love need not have been a prerequisite to procreate then, and it sure as hell isn't one these days!

I think this logo makes a lot of assumptions - something I myself am guilty of frequently. It assumes that vibrant health = a caveman/woman image. It assumes that health = a big strong man carrying a spear to take care of that little lady. It assumes that health = Barbie and Ken (don't anyone dare tell me those two are other than straight WHITE and young).

If epigenetics means that we somehow did something "wrong" along the way to "evolve" into a species with members who go the other way (or both ways) then epigenetics can kiss my ASS!

Sorry about all that ... great question -

3fc07ff31006b1860083f0cfe4472ae4

(561)

on July 17, 2011
at 03:53 AM

Thanks for breaking down the semiotics of the image Meredith! @RPS,"I'm kind of amazed by how many people here in the comments can't imagine what it's like to be born with a different perspective on life, yet think they can imagine how our ancestors lived and think they might be mimicking their diets." GREAT comment. You called it. Hear hear! The internet didn't create dogma, but it sure fed it some gorgeous omega-3-laden-grass-fed steaks to get it big and strong!

E7be2ce38158357f5dacae07b43d1b29

on July 17, 2011
at 03:41 AM

Great points, and I'm kind of amazed by how many people here in the comments can't imagine what it's like to be born with a different perspective on life, yet think they can imagine how our ancestors lived and think they might be mimicking their diets. Hah! One really needs to step out of one's own head and way of thinking and really try to "get" that a lot of what we all believe are things we were conditioned to believe. Probably not as much conditioning going on back with our paleo ancestors, and our gay paleo folk probably had less issues doing their thang.

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on July 17, 2011
at 04:02 AM

Heh...+1 for you Meredith and if it could be, it would be +500.

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on July 17, 2011
at 02:48 AM

Well if they only had two guys together then women would complain "why no ladies?!" and if there were two women guys would be like "Why no dudes?" So I guess the man and the woman is simple and appeals to both sexes. Now, as for the spear and the basket... I always thought women were the gatherers... not that they would never hunt, but it's easier to have a baby strapped to your back and pick berries. I think most women back then were barefoot and pregnant so it's not really sexist to say so... just how it was. Now her hourglass figure.. well wth I am in pretty good shape 105 pounds and not even my curves are that nice! lol

215d3126214343a5760316f195a06b97

on July 17, 2011
at 03:32 AM

there's a woman (eye candy for dudes or lesbians, role model for women) and there's a man (eye candy for women and gay dudes, role model for men).. I don't see the problem. They aren't kissing, we don't know if they are a couple, related, siblings, father and daughter, neighbors, whatever.

E7be2ce38158357f5dacae07b43d1b29

on July 17, 2011
at 03:19 AM

It only appeals to both sexes if you're not gay.

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on July 17, 2011
at 02:48 AM

Hi I am a Paleohack and I'm definitely queer, no label, pan curious and definitely not a paternalistic hetero. I love paleo but yes I find any paternalistic symbols repulsive. Cheerio

3fc07ff31006b1860083f0cfe4472ae4

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on July 17, 2011
at 03:03 AM

KOOL. Nice to meet you Arunava!

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on July 17, 2011
at 03:07 AM

No offense intended for anyone, but if homosexuality was representative of the majority of our ancestors we wouldn't be here. Sex had a much more singular purpose then, I think. It's only in the last generations of our species that sex is able to be more for enjoyment and recreation. I don't think it's an offensive assumption. Plus, like someone else said above, they had to show at least one woman and one man, else someone would have complained about the exclusion of the other gender.

E7be2ce38158357f5dacae07b43d1b29

on July 17, 2011
at 03:13 AM

Who said it was the majority? Or that it's something everyone should be? The reality is that the world is full of all different kinds of people, and going along with what "the most" do generally isn't a requirement. I'm here, and I'm sure I had gay ancestors. I sure as hell have gay relatives. And since I KNOW I was born straight, I think it's safe to say they were born gay. Especially my cousin. Like duh - obvious by age 10...

E7be2ce38158357f5dacae07b43d1b29

on July 17, 2011
at 03:48 AM

In general, I agree, but bi is very different from straight or gay, and bis don't always want the same things. And bi isn't the same as being gay and having sex with someone while fantasizing that the person is someone else, which is how many babies show up when someone gay marries someone straight. I can say this because I know that I am straight after being in two threesomes and have been approached by some really, really cute girls, and while I was flattered, there was no attraction, and I have lots of gay/bi friends. But seriously - we ALL have gay relatives and ancestors!!!

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on July 17, 2011
at 04:25 AM

If multiple sclerosis was representative of the majority of our ancestors, we wouldn't be here. Same with anything that reduces chances of reproduction. What's your point in your first sentence?

3fc07ff31006b1860083f0cfe4472ae4

(561)

on July 17, 2011
at 03:22 AM

@ Rock Paper Shirley, (love your profile name) I love that you're making me picture my gay paleo ancestors! LOVE THAT! My imagination is soaring! I honestly never loved the "I didn't choose to be gay" line cos it seems apologetic and then there's tho bisexuals--and THEN, well, there's just having the right to have a good time whenever and however you want! Hellz to the yeah.

742d03cebff2a6d8aae313e90d5c76b8

(325)

on July 17, 2011
at 04:22 AM

I think your assumption is wrong that it's only been in the last generations that our species uses sex as enjoyment and recreation. I think our Paleo ancestors were probably habitual diddlers. Have you ever watched apes? Lordy, those things haven't learned shame and guilt and modesty.

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(493)

on July 17, 2011
at 03:26 AM

Why assume that because they're a man and a woman in the same picture, that they're "together"? Seems a little silly, and really, no different than a raging homophobe assuming that a picture of two guys hugging means they're gay - or a typical "playa" assuming that a picture of a girl holding hands with another one is foreplay for a hot one on one session. :)

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 17, 2011
at 04:09 AM

Think about it. What is one of the great attractions of Paleo? IT'S ABOUT PROJECTING A SIMPLISTIC MODEL on our prehistoric past and then claiming that is how we evolved. This extends not only to diet but to lifestyle. It shirks COMPLEXITY. It cannot tolerate that people can be fundamentally different.

Given that, should we be surprised at the anti-homosexual and sexist sentiment one finds here?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 17, 2011
at 04:13 AM

I agree with Meredith, great question. Just as I have wondered why more feminists have not pointed out the bs on this site, I have also wondered why more homosexuals haven't come in to break up the monotony.

3fc07ff31006b1860083f0cfe4472ae4

(561)

on July 17, 2011
at 04:28 AM

That's kinda why I had to say something finally. Bringing up homo stuff can really spotlight the debbie downers, huh? There's a disco ball twinkling over this paleo campfire!

93f44e8673d3ea2294cce085ebc96e13

(10502)

on July 17, 2011
at 04:20 AM

@ThomasSeay -- this site is neither anti-homosexual nor sexist. Please do not project silly and untrue things like that on PaleoHacks.

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on July 19, 2011
at 02:27 PM

Patrik, just because you say so does not make it so. Several women have spoken to me about how sexist they find the environment up here. I am not saying that you created it to be such.

3fc07ff31006b1860083f0cfe4472ae4

(561)

on July 20, 2011
at 12:43 AM

Hey Patrick, I think it's important for progressive communication that we protest hate speech but entertain all claims of homophobia, racism and sexism with an open mind and assumption that they exist everywhere, and well, in all of us.

93f44e8673d3ea2294cce085ebc96e13

(10502)

on July 23, 2011
at 12:32 AM

@ladyp -- I don't know what "progressive communication" is -- and I won't simply entertain untrue & unfair claims homophobia, racism and sexism -- also, they may exist in you - but they don't exist in me. I have been vociferous and active in stamping any such things out on PaleoHacks.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 23, 2011
at 02:41 AM

Watch it with your slander Patrik! I have never sent anybody harassing emails. Be ready to produce evidence of it and, if anybody has accused me of it, they had better be ready to produce an email proving it. Perhaps we could discuss the silly cabal that was organized against the Quilt. Seems like I have an email that was sent to me about that.

93f44e8673d3ea2294cce085ebc96e13

(10502)

on July 23, 2011
at 12:30 AM

@ThomasSeay -- funny you should comment that -- since several people have sent me emails about the harassing emails you send them.

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E7be2ce38158357f5dacae07b43d1b29

on July 17, 2011
at 03:10 AM

I've long believed that homosexuality is probably a natural check and balance against overpopulation (although not foolproof). And too often, straight people tend to forget that bisexuality is really common, and probably much more so (or at least explored) in cultures where guilt and sin about sexual exploration don't exist. I think our paleo kin would have tried all kinds of things.

I'm straight, but not narrow.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 17, 2011
at 03:25 AM

Just see how "queer" you feel after doing paleo for a while. I'm allowed to express my opinion just as you are about how "gay" you are, but consistently people state sex drive (for the opposite sex) going way up after paleo. This diet is all about the natural state, therefore, being gay is definitely not the healthy, natural state, it's more of a result of eating grains actually. So why would you want to be gay? Sure a multi-sex orgy is part of nature, but the queer thing is out of control and is sickness of the mind. If we allow queers to make their statements, I should be allowed to say this.

07154e6d8e42065f230d06249700fe5b

(2057)

on July 17, 2011
at 03:42 AM

Um, wow. Do you exist in real life? Is your last name Bachmann?

E7be2ce38158357f5dacae07b43d1b29

on July 17, 2011
at 03:43 AM

LMAO BeyondthePa1e !!!!!!! OMG BEST DEEP GUTTURAL LAUGH I'VE HAD IN WEEKS!!! LOL... dying... ;)

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on July 17, 2011
at 03:31 AM

WWHWHWHHWHAAAAAT?!?!?!! Oh laaaawd.

Ef4c5b09fdccf73be575d3a0c267fdd9

(2539)

on July 17, 2011
at 04:15 AM

Ha wow this is hilarious considering I'm gay and just as "gay" as ever with a High T level thanks to Paleo style dieting.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on July 17, 2011
at 03:32 AM

!!hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahabarf

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on July 17, 2011
at 04:18 AM

Wait, now I'm just sad. And I realized this is a PHer formerly known (and banned) by some other names. Troubled boy.

Bcad307b240275ae3f5820ba6eb4a712

(923)

on July 17, 2011
at 03:39 AM

Can I nominate "Gluten=gay" as the most incredible woo-theory to ever grace Paleohacks? I can't even bring myself to downvote it. I think they teach this in Bro-Science 101

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on July 17, 2011
at 04:20 AM

Ok, now I'm just sad. And I realized this is a PHer formerly known (and banned) by other names. He is a troubled boy.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on July 17, 2011
at 03:57 AM

SOMEONE! Grenadine is trapped in a cortisol-laughing loop! Call 911 - Anyone know her address!?!?! Oh shizz, I just read the post.... hahahahahahaha I'm dropping the phone! Sorry G - I'm going down too!

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on July 17, 2011
at 04:09 AM

LOL No, really.

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on July 17, 2011
at 03:56 AM

-1 for you Mark, for YOUR "sickness of the mind." Being gay is a result of eating grains????? OMG. What in hells bells have YOU been eating, lol!

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on July 17, 2011
at 03:41 AM

omg i am STILL laughing! i always thought there was something weird about this guy. this shiz is BONKAPALOOZA

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 17, 2011
at 03:32 AM

Being gay is "more of a result of eating grains actually" ? I just peed myself laughing. Holy shit and FFS indeed....

E7be2ce38158357f5dacae07b43d1b29

on July 17, 2011
at 03:29 AM

Oh FFS... you really think gay people don't have a sex drive? LMAO... you go back to your closet for a while...

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on July 17, 2011
at 04:15 AM

Oh Mark. Wow. Sheeeit. Next thing you know Bachmann really will be president.

Bcad307b240275ae3f5820ba6eb4a712

(923)

on July 17, 2011
at 03:39 AM

Can I nominate "Gluten=gay" as the most incredible woo-theory to ever grace Paleohacks. I can't even bring myself to downvote it. I think they teach this in Bro-Science 101.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 17, 2011
at 03:04 AM

so, would your 'political.correctness'-consciousness be more pleased if the man had a basket, and woman held a spear?

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it just should be aknowledged that in world where brute physical force rules, men (which on average are much stronger than women) rule, and women obey - one may like it or not, modern social and legal norms may endorse it or not, but this is a historical reality one would be unwise to ignore or gloss over

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 17, 2011
at 04:31 AM

@Shari "Yes. Yes it would" - alright, but would have had more chances of hunting down a mammoth - stronger men or weaker women? - the answer is obvious, and thus makes it quite difficult to believe that it is women who would have had spears and, gays in paleo world? - is that a joke!?? - anyone abnormal (and, let's be clear, from a biological (=reproductive) perspective gays surely are) would have been quickly exterminated

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on July 17, 2011
at 03:10 AM

"so, would your 'political.correctness'-consciousness be more pleased if the man had a basket, and woman held a spear?" Yes. Yes it would.

E7be2ce38158357f5dacae07b43d1b29

on July 17, 2011
at 03:15 AM

And neither would it be wise to gloss over the fact that there have always been gay people. Or an "oldest profession in the world" for that matter, which is not a comparison, as hooking is a choice and being gay or straight is not, but another example about how sexual expression and even gender roles aren't as simple as some would like to think, or as The Churches have established over modern history.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on July 17, 2011
at 04:29 AM

i b'leve gn is in japan. (?) patriarchal gender roles that are still holding pret-ty strong there.

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on July 17, 2011
at 04:01 AM

-1 - "men rule and women OBEY?" Read up. There are and have been, matriarchal lineage cultures. That means from a cultural structure standpoint: Women rule and men obey. I, however, am not for *anyone* "obeying. And if there is "sickness" anywhere (see Mark's reply) it exists in relationships between the sexes or between same sex partners in which there is a "ruler and obeyer" relationship.

E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

(15613)

on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

@gn "gays in paleo world? - is that a joke!?? - anyone abnormal (and, let's be clear, from a biological (=reproductive) perspective gays surely are) would have been quickly exterminated" Absolutely wrong. Homosexuality in nature has been demonstrated countless times. Just read up on it for 5 seconds before you throw wild claims about. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

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