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High Vitamin E content in ALMONDS protects against PUFA oxidation?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created March 21, 2011 at 3:40 PM

Almonds contain a very high amount of Vitamin E, which we all know protects against oxidation. Many sources rank almonds in the top 5 or even top 3 for VitE content of all known foods. Can anyone provide a sound argument that defeats the idea that the antioxidants in almonds protects against PUFA oxidation, both outside and inside the body?

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So my bounty expired. What happened? Did one of the 3 answers below win or something? I am not able to 'accept' any of the submitted answers.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 29, 2011
at 09:22 PM

No. http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/160/10/961.full http://www.ajcn.org/content/93/5/1073.abstract?etoc I know its correlation, but those are from head. Go to google scholar.

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

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on September 29, 2011
at 09:06 PM

But aren't all studies that show nuts are good for you short term studies?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 29, 2011
at 07:45 PM

Nice. Phytate may be even beneficial: http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi39.html

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

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on April 01, 2011
at 05:23 PM

True, that is odd. You should still be able to accept an answer, bounty or not. But sometimes the Paleohacks software is a harsh mistress.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on April 01, 2011
at 02:44 PM

so basically, nothing happened. thanks for clarifying, Paul. I should at least be able to choose my favorite answer, at some point in time.

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

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on April 01, 2011
at 05:25 AM

Hi, Jack, I think that what happened was the following. Because you didn't accept any of the answers before the bounty period was up, the bounty was supposed to go automatically to the highest-voted answer. But there was no highest-voted answer, since all the answers had the same number of votes. So nothing happened. But the odd thing is that *you* did in fact lose the 50 points. Guess you could always try again, if that option is up there on your screen.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on March 28, 2011
at 11:17 PM

maybe, but that's the only way i eat them anyway. i wouldn't touch roasted almonds.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on March 28, 2011
at 09:56 PM

isnt the E destroyed if these are eaten anything but Raw?

001cd8e3885a870edc0ea8323ad9c719

(260)

on March 24, 2011
at 07:31 PM

How can you eat just one Brazil nut??? :-)

D83e454e794d761ab524814c0ff8f838

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on March 24, 2011
at 03:21 PM

Most health food stores now sell Almonds imported from Italy, that are actually raw. Totally ridiculous to have to buy them from there, but they taste much different than the California ones.

Eea4c0f072bb5caa74c1fbe6dfab5f46

(942)

on March 22, 2011
at 03:49 PM

I'm sorry, but don't eat nuts cuz they have carbs in them, is mildly ridiculous. No food is purely one thing. Even eggs have a gram of carbohydrates in it. Carbs are not evil. My question would be, how are you preparing the nuts? Toasted, soaked, sprouted? What is the actual reason why your body is having the inflammatory response?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on March 22, 2011
at 03:31 AM

Jack the other thing I would share with you is that I have seen alot of insulin spikes in some of our patients eating them. People dont realize that nuts have carbs in them. So use a glucometer to see the effect on your blood sugar.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on March 21, 2011
at 09:33 PM

what about the way OP claims to do it? sounds like they really take the time and care to do it right. i know it's a SoCal only deal, but is there something that they might be missing? http://www.organicpastures.com/raw_almonds.html

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on March 21, 2011
at 09:03 PM

todays nuts aint the same nuts the Geico guys ate.....

D631284833b7c21021ad2ba599bf3456

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on March 21, 2011
at 07:28 PM

"The Cornucopia Institute offers a great deal of information on the recent raw almond controversy, but all California grown almonds now have either chemical or high heat treatments. The change came after raw almonds were believed to be connected with two salmonella cases, although farming practices vary considerably and may have contributed to the problem." http://www.marksdailyapple.com/nuts/

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on March 21, 2011
at 05:44 PM

I used to be a big almond consumer. More I read the more I now stay away from all nuts except macademia nuts and occassional pistachio. I also eat on brazil nut a day for the selenium. Its cheaper than the supplement. The other reason is I check my omega 6/3 ratio quarterly.......you start doing that and see the shocking numbers you get rid of nuts fast.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on March 21, 2011
at 05:25 PM

Organic Pastures sells truly raw almonds for $12 per lb or $50 for 5 lbs. (that includes free shipping to anywhere in CA). Pricey, but worth it I think.

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

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on March 21, 2011
at 04:46 PM

Yeah, you can find 'truly raw' almonds in california but even that can be tricky

07ca188c8dac3a17f629dd87198d2098

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on March 21, 2011
at 04:42 PM

Pasteurized? WTF. After googling, I can't believe what I'm reading :|

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27361737e33ba2f73ab3c25d2699ad61

(1880)

on September 29, 2011
at 07:30 PM

I agree with Majikinetor. Despite high omega 6 concentrations in nuts such as walnuts, I don't think it's paleo at all to start demonizing whole organic foods because of one element in these foods. That's like saying let's stop eating red meat because it's high in iron and too much iron is bad. Man has been eating raw nuts for ages. The whole idea of soaking and drying and all other kinds of special processing I think is for people who do not digest fresh raw nuts well and still want to enjoy them. The phytate and oxalate arguments are theoretical -- show me one person who has died from phytate or oxalate "poisoning" from consuming raw nuts.

I think the omega 3/omega 6 test (omega score I think it's called) is interesting but some questions: - are the results reproducible? how do we "know" what ratio of fatty acids our paleolithic ancestors had? does the test take into consideration that temperature changes affect fatty acid ratios in membranes -- warmer temps equal more saturated fat in tissues etc? how "paleo" is it to repeatedly test and examine one's blood ad nauseaum and constantly tweak micronutrient ratios etc etc etc based upon lab tests?

I have read all the stuff by Peat but wonder whether it isn't a tad nutty (forgive the pun) to start demonizing walnuts. Next thing you know, paleos will be dressed as walnuts or other high omega 6 nuts on Halloween...

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 29, 2011
at 07:45 PM

Nice. Phytate may be even beneficial: http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi39.html

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 29, 2011
at 05:34 PM

Yes, E will protect them.

This is also the reason that in all liquid fish oils you have some E or ascorbyl palmitate. I put extra 200 IU mixed tocopherols in my fish oil and keep it in fridge.

About PUFAs in almonds, and nuts in general, they seem to be protective. There are number of studies claiming that. They seem to prevent galstones, Mg deficiency, diabetes, promote DNK repair, fiber, rasveratrol, arginine etc. If you eliminate industrial PUFAs, those that you consume in nuts aren't going to overload your system.

Alpha says 30g of most of the nuts have low amount of PUFA, except walnut.

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=30g+almond+30g+brazil+nut+30g+cashew+30g+hazelnut+30g+walnut

(click on 'more' in fat section to see details and thank me later for letting you know about Alpha)

Brazil nut is, surprisingly, next on the list [looking at Quilt]. Not counting walnuts, you get at most 1 tea spoon of such non-processed oil so its easy to counter it with the same amount of w-3 PUFA.

However, young walnuts are rich source of Iodine and W-3 (ALA). In my country people make Rakija from young walnuts as Iodine supplementation which is very tasty.

To others that claim w-6 is inflammatory, keep in mind that w-6 IS essential fat. There are essential fats, amino acids AND probably carbohydrates on the long run.

Limit your industrialized food, not non-paleo-food whatever that might mean...

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on September 29, 2011
at 09:22 PM

No. http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/160/10/961.full http://www.ajcn.org/content/93/5/1073.abstract?etoc I know its correlation, but those are from head. Go to google scholar.

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

(3536)

on September 29, 2011
at 09:06 PM

But aren't all studies that show nuts are good for you short term studies?

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Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

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on March 25, 2011
at 12:43 AM

Pufas deplete the body's stores of vitamin e, so getting vitamin e with your pufas is good. Getting pufas from almonds as opposed to corn oil is obviously better for this and other reasons. I would guess that the vitamin e in almonds protects against a fair amount of oxidation in the almond, but less so in the body. Our tissues are almost 100 degrees and constantly flooded with oxygen. This makes for a prime environment for oxidation. An almond in its whole form is not 100 degrees and is protected inside its shell. So I don't think that it will completely prevent against oxidation as that just seems very improbable.

Even if vitamin e does protect against oxidation fully though, Omega 6 is still inflammatory and will throw your 6/3 ratio off.

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D83e454e794d761ab524814c0ff8f838

on March 25, 2011
at 12:15 AM

I don't have the exact answer you're looking for. I know a few massage therapists that use almond oil, and will add vitamin E to it to prevent rancidity. They say it will go rancid on its own, though there isn't a time line since it really depends on the conditions it's being kept in, how and when it was produced.

And in labs, they have a positive effect on your LDL. How this applies to eating them though, I'm not sure.
http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=20
""We have identified a unique combination of flavonoids in almonds," said Jeffrey Blumberg, Ph.D., senior scientist and director of the Antioxidants Research Laboratory at Tufts University. "Further blood tests demonstrated that eating almonds with their skins significantly increases both flavonoids and vitamin E in the body. This could have significant health implications, especially as people age."

Blumberg's team tested the effects of almond skin's flavonoids alone and then in combination with the vitamin E found in almond meat on blood samples containing LDL cholesterol. While almond skin flavonoids alone enhanced LDL's resistance to oxidation by 18%, when almond meat's vitamin E was added, LDL's resistance to oxidation was extended by 52.5%! "

Also see: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17475462

I've been laying off nuts (mostly), but would buy the Italian raw ones, and soak and dehydrate them. I've stopped baking with almond flour too. Too bad, it tastes so damn good!

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3bd0b07e18c85d8a618afb3f80e17188

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on September 29, 2011
at 01:52 PM

Don't forget about the different forms of vitamin E, the gamma form is apparently the most beneficial - If your going to do an E supplement I would recommend the gamma form be listed in there somewhere.

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on June 03, 2011
at 02:52 PM

Nice article! It will help me more chose to what I will buy and What I will select for me.

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Eea4c0f072bb5caa74c1fbe6dfab5f46

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on March 21, 2011
at 03:48 PM

I think this totally makes sense, but I don't think the irradiated, pasteurized almonds would bring the same benefits.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on March 21, 2011
at 05:25 PM

Organic Pastures sells truly raw almonds for $12 per lb or $50 for 5 lbs. (that includes free shipping to anywhere in CA). Pricey, but worth it I think.

07ca188c8dac3a17f629dd87198d2098

(7970)

on March 21, 2011
at 04:42 PM

Pasteurized? WTF. After googling, I can't believe what I'm reading :|

D631284833b7c21021ad2ba599bf3456

(10)

on March 21, 2011
at 07:28 PM

"The Cornucopia Institute offers a great deal of information on the recent raw almond controversy, but all California grown almonds now have either chemical or high heat treatments. The change came after raw almonds were believed to be connected with two salmonella cases, although farming practices vary considerably and may have contributed to the problem." http://www.marksdailyapple.com/nuts/

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on March 21, 2011
at 04:46 PM

Yeah, you can find 'truly raw' almonds in california but even that can be tricky

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on March 21, 2011
at 09:33 PM

what about the way OP claims to do it? sounds like they really take the time and care to do it right. i know it's a SoCal only deal, but is there something that they might be missing? http://www.organicpastures.com/raw_almonds.html

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on March 21, 2011
at 09:03 PM

todays nuts aint the same nuts the Geico guys ate.....

Eea4c0f072bb5caa74c1fbe6dfab5f46

(942)

on March 22, 2011
at 03:49 PM

I'm sorry, but don't eat nuts cuz they have carbs in them, is mildly ridiculous. No food is purely one thing. Even eggs have a gram of carbohydrates in it. Carbs are not evil. My question would be, how are you preparing the nuts? Toasted, soaked, sprouted? What is the actual reason why your body is having the inflammatory response?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on March 22, 2011
at 03:31 AM

Jack the other thing I would share with you is that I have seen alot of insulin spikes in some of our patients eating them. People dont realize that nuts have carbs in them. So use a glucometer to see the effect on your blood sugar.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on March 21, 2011
at 05:44 PM

I used to be a big almond consumer. More I read the more I now stay away from all nuts except macademia nuts and occassional pistachio. I also eat on brazil nut a day for the selenium. Its cheaper than the supplement. The other reason is I check my omega 6/3 ratio quarterly.......you start doing that and see the shocking numbers you get rid of nuts fast.

D83e454e794d761ab524814c0ff8f838

(531)

on March 24, 2011
at 03:21 PM

Most health food stores now sell Almonds imported from Italy, that are actually raw. Totally ridiculous to have to buy them from there, but they taste much different than the California ones.

001cd8e3885a870edc0ea8323ad9c719

(260)

on March 24, 2011
at 07:31 PM

How can you eat just one Brazil nut??? :-)

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