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What are the best paleo protein sources for a vegan?

Commented on March 02, 2015
Created November 27, 2012 at 3:04 AM

I was telling a coworker today how unhealthy soy is for you. He seemed upset because soy and beans are his most common source of protein. What are the best sources of protein for a person who is vegan if they try to avoid soy and beans?

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(2417)

on November 28, 2012
at 05:07 AM

I refuse to play "Politically Correct Pattycake" in general, and I'm sure not going to do it here about veganisn on a paleo meat loving site. It's an aberrant view to me when a species believes another species are more important than the health of their own; ethically if you won't eat animals, that's what's at play IMHO. As for calories, going from eating calorie dense junk to nutritious food will usually equate to weight loss without keeping track, agreed. But calories do matter, whether you're eating fewer because you're getting satiety with less, or deliberately reducing.

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on November 27, 2012
at 03:57 PM

I am vegan and started a thread here which might be useful: http://paleohacks.com/questions/148205/vegan-paleo-evaluate-my-diet-please#axzz2DHIEANDr Definitely check out that Denise Minger link.

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on November 27, 2012
at 03:55 PM

Maybe this person is not ignorant of human history and is a vegan perhaps for ethical reasons.

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on November 27, 2012
at 02:42 PM

It's remarkably easy to lose fat believing that calories don't matter, so I wouldn't be so quick to equate the two, despite my views on not eating meat.

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on November 27, 2012
at 07:58 AM

He can try Weston Price by fermenting the beans and eating tofu. It is not that bad.

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on November 27, 2012
at 03:36 AM

It's a whimsical answer. And it made me feel good. And I'm sure your response made you feel good too! I just hope Wayne isn't too discouraged. Wayne, forgive me. I'm sure someone on here will be more helpful than I have been.

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on November 27, 2012
at 03:29 AM

What a helpful answer!

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4517f03b8a94fa57ed57ab60ab694b7d

on November 27, 2012
at 03:08 AM

meat, fish, and more meat... forgive me if you can.

oh, and eggs too. can't forget eggs!

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on November 27, 2012
at 03:29 AM

What a helpful answer!

4517f03b8a94fa57ed57ab60ab694b7d

on November 27, 2012
at 03:36 AM

It's a whimsical answer. And it made me feel good. And I'm sure your response made you feel good too! I just hope Wayne isn't too discouraged. Wayne, forgive me. I'm sure someone on here will be more helpful than I have been.

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on November 27, 2012
at 06:46 AM

For the answer, look here: http://rawfoodsos.com/for-vegans/

And here: http://whole9life.com/book/ISWF-Vegetarian-Shopping-List.pdf

Short Answer: Fermented Traditional Soy (tempe, natto), Properly prepared lentils and beans, Organic tofu (if you must). Traditional fats like coconut, palm, and olive, and no vegetable or high Omega 6 oils (to reduce the amount of Omega 3 that you need).

It is better to take baby steps towards a paleo program (i.e. cutting out processed crap and Omega 6 oils) than to not go towards paleo. And, many former vegetarians and vegans like paleo because we care about the health of animals, and want to make sure they are treated right.

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on November 27, 2012
at 05:30 AM

That's like asking how a person can lose fat who believes calories don't matter. A vegan needs to wake up and get their understanding of human history and physiological needs straight.

I agree with the answer above: eat more meat. No sarcasm intended.

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on March 02, 2015
at 03:25 PM

Turns out it's not so much the number of calories, but the quality.  You can lose a lot of weight on a high fat diet, enter paleo.  I am quite certain that humans would have been vegan before learning how to make tools and kill animals out of necessity.  We just aren't equipped with the physical features that other animals have who kill and eat other animals, ie. fangs, claws, lightning speed ability to run.  In fact, all of the earth's largest animals are vegetarian and mostly vegan; apes, rhinoceri, elephants, etc.  where do they get their protein from?  They eat 90% green leaves.  I'm starting to think that protein, like fats, are concepts of nutrition that are infantile due to a separatist rather than holistic viewpoint.  

Lastly, if you intended no sarcasm, than don't fucking use sarcasm.  It makes you sound even more stupid.

5e5ff249c9161b8cd96d7eff6043bc3a

(4713)

on November 27, 2012
at 02:42 PM

It's remarkably easy to lose fat believing that calories don't matter, so I wouldn't be so quick to equate the two, despite my views on not eating meat.

Medium avatar

(2417)

on November 28, 2012
at 05:07 AM

I refuse to play "Politically Correct Pattycake" in general, and I'm sure not going to do it here about veganisn on a paleo meat loving site. It's an aberrant view to me when a species believes another species are more important than the health of their own; ethically if you won't eat animals, that's what's at play IMHO. As for calories, going from eating calorie dense junk to nutritious food will usually equate to weight loss without keeping track, agreed. But calories do matter, whether you're eating fewer because you're getting satiety with less, or deliberately reducing.

0b7c3e7fd96005f0b2dfd781e512fc2e

(1237)

on November 27, 2012
at 03:55 PM

Maybe this person is not ignorant of human history and is a vegan perhaps for ethical reasons.

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on November 27, 2012
at 04:45 AM

I was vegan or dairy-free egg-free vegetarian for over 3 years. Last January I was interested in paleo but still veg so I started reducing gluten/grain consumption even though I was eating tofu and a grain based raw protein shake. it was definitely tough to get enough protein in my diet because my body mass is more of a Clydesdale. Therefore I definitely have a higher protein requirement than smaller horses..lol. Last February I started eating locally raised organic eggs and still couldn't reach my protein needs. The next month in March I began eating wild caught seafood and I was definitely getting a lot more protein in my diet. To be honest eating fish everyday gets boring and quite pricey when you're buying wild caught. In October I started thinking to myself that I'll consider eating chicken for I needed ample protein that was reasonable for my grocery budget and something I can cook alot of in bulk thats always ready and tasty. For me being a paleo pescatarian it was easy to fall into a binge episode of sugar and grains.. soon I realized all that body fat I lost from the spring and early summer was coming back quickly so I'll need to add something in and subtract the hungry man binge eating. I wasn't sure so about eating birds again so I talked with a former veg friend and I went on to paleo hacks and I found some information from former veg people and it completely helped me make a wonderful informed decision. I must say I do appreciate the life of the bird and it's death so I consume it so I can go on living, feeling strong and being healthy. also, I realize that chicken is so much cheaper than wild caught fish. I buy the free range organic chicken drumsticks; they're inexpensive and tasty especially covered in 3 tablespoons of walnut oil.

Epilogue of a former veg to currently paleo: I'm 41 days into a maximal effort of Paleolithic diet/primal lifestyle and my belt notches have dropped 2 sizes, I've lost 17 pounds of body fat, and my relationship with food has improved tremendously!

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on November 27, 2012
at 03:40 AM

Not sure how you would easily do without beans & soy on a vegan diet. There is some protein in veggies, and then there's quinoa. And peanut butter.

None of my business, but have to say I wouldn't appreciate hearing from a vegan about why meat or saturated fat is unhealthy, so not sure why you'd tell a vegan they shouldn't eat soy.

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on November 27, 2012
at 02:02 PM

I also am friends with a vegan coworker. There are certain directions the conversation just doesn't take. Basically we avoid outright denouncing each others' path. However, as a vegan, he is also a health-conscious individual, always on the lookout for new science, workout programs, market information... etc.

Basically, I'd recommend minding your own business where the two diets differ, but I think you can turn this person into a supportive resource. After all, really, the goals are the same.

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on November 27, 2012
at 03:45 AM

Not paleo. But beans are absolutely fine if you tolerate them. Not including modern soy obviously.

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on November 27, 2012
at 03:40 AM

I guess nuts would be the best quality paleo vegan protein, but your friend probably would not do well if all of his protein came from nuts. You can sometimes convince a vegan to eat local pastured eggs, so long as you can establish that hens past their egg-laying prime are treated humanely rather than being "destroyed" or ground up into animal feed.

Quinoa also contains protein and is not a grain (it's a chenopod) so that's an option for your friend, too, though it is higher in starch than most of us primal/paleos prefer.

To be honest, I include tofu in my diet in small amounts and I feel the best I've ever felt. So long as tofu is not a 3 meals a day thing for your friend, he's probably fine. Just urge him to stay away from seitan in spite of the fact that it is awesome. It is pure wheat gluten and is really hard on the body because of it.

Be sure to mention that lots of us in the primal/paleo community are former vegans or vegetarians. If he's curious about transitioning away from veganism, I'll happily chat with him about my journey.

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on December 12, 2014
at 07:07 PM

This is a bit of a trick question, sort of like, how do you make a snowball without snow?

There is not really any good answer.  You can make soy better for you by fermenting it first, there is a way to make tofu from fermented soy.  Some vegan supplements extract protein from vegetables but that is highly processed, incomplete proteins and so not relaly paleo. Beans and any legumes are either borderline not Paleo or verbotten depending on how you look at it.

I believe our ancient ancestors that relied entirely on plant food died off, it's that simple.  There is no culture that has survived (i.e. none that we have studied) that was 100% vegan and this is probably a primary reason why.  They basically starved to death.

The Paleo diet is founded upon animal proteins and fats. Healthy wild animals are basically "nutrient aggregators".  A human can't eat an acre of grass, but a cow can, and we can eat the cow and get the nuturition.

I am an athiest/agnostic and a long time ago fell for a woman who was a devout Christian.  For years I tried to come up with some kind of philosophy that worked for both of us.  I never did because it doesn't exist.  Very similar situation with vegans and Paleo.

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on December 12, 2014
at 06:14 PM

as a long-time vegan and recent paleo convert (minus the meat and fish!), I've researched this question quite a bit.

Best I've found is "Clean Lean Protein" by Nuzest - it's 100% vegan, non-GMO and very low in phytates, saponins and lectins due to their isolation process (I tried putting a link to the numbers here but I'm not yet a trusted posted, lol).

Daniel Falk

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on December 25, 2012
at 09:06 PM

to kashkillz:

i am a vegan and somehow stumbled on this website/blog, reading down the page and laughing out load at some of the overly aggressive, opinionated views and then came accross yours...so happy to ready your post...I too can be very opinionated and take a very extreme approach to diet and the planet and realized, after reading your post, my laughing out load at the "aggressive opininionators (coined my own phrase and workd)", that i am one of them...thanks for the reminder that we are all on our own journey

too...I have a friend who is recently paleo after a long, long string of of other diets, i mostly keep to myself about her process and she mostly affords me the same courtesy...mostly

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