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Should we restrict or "fast" specifically from PROTEIN periodically?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created April 14, 2011 at 7:07 PM

This seems to be a hot topic right now. Kamal posted a question regarding the management of Protein Restriction as one of the key points of some of the arguable drawbacks of a long term Paleo diet.

Lower IGF-1 levels have been strongly correlated with longer lifespan, and many people swear by this. But there's also folks who eat protein straight through their whole life and are happy and healthy even until old age.

Should we restrict protein every so often? What are the REAL benefits of it? Anybody have some in depth scientific reasons that support making the effort?

Also, as a side caveat to the real question here, does anybody have a testimonial of what they experienced when they did. I remember reading that Chris Masterjohn was able to see major improvements with a couple nagging ailments when he restricted protein for about 2 weeks.

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on May 22, 2011
at 05:43 PM

I felt like this could have been my comment. I love my meats, leaner choices on workout days and fattier & fish on rest days. I eat more carbs / less fat on WO days, but even with lower carbs I don't feel like I need to "supplement" fat with straight-up butter or oil.

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on April 15, 2011
at 02:28 AM

Well Kamal, I am already the Paleo weirdo in my crew. I hope you start your blog soon! The better to internet stalk you, I mean follow your progress. ;)

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on April 15, 2011
at 02:20 AM

@sherpamelissa : autophagy is about your body recycling junk. The benefit is eating cancer , improved longevity, reduced inflammation etc. @kamal: for your joints, I'd say only the inflammation part will be relevant to your joints. Otherwise you need fuel to repair. Potentially the autophagy can rebuild junk as needed joint repair components.

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on April 15, 2011
at 01:38 AM

@Stephen, Do you have any recommended reads on autophagy?

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on April 15, 2011
at 01:15 AM

Thanks Melissa. Truthfully, I suspect it will do zilch. But I can still brag about it to my friends, and they will see me as more of a macho man (well, paleo weirdo). I doubt autopaghy is a leading indicator of becoming a cool grandma that wears jeans, but might be worth a shot for those okay with long fasts.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

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on April 15, 2011
at 12:57 AM

I guess what I was asking was if the benefit of autophagy is increased longevity. Good luck Kamal! I hope not eating for days helps what you want it to help, otherwise that could suck A LOT.

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on April 15, 2011
at 12:24 AM

Autophagy cleans all the junk out. It's such an awesome system

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on April 14, 2011
at 11:53 PM

Yup, I take 10-15 grams of unflavored gelatin a day. My joints are too loose (connective tissue disorder-- wrong ratio of collagen fibers). I can't think of a good reason that autophagy would change my gene expression, but gosh darn it I'm willing to try!

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on April 14, 2011
at 10:00 PM

Have you tried grassfed beef gelatin for your joints?

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on April 14, 2011
at 09:15 PM

Autophagy autophagy autophagy.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on April 14, 2011
at 08:48 PM

No, to see if it helps joint pain. I've tried pretty much everything other than long-term fasting and that magnetic thing that sends electrical pulses into your brain. Can't think of a good mechanism why it would help, maybe it's along the lines of "getting something out of the system".

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on April 14, 2011
at 08:25 PM

Why Kamal? Just to see if you can do it? When I fast for 24+ hours it's usually a "reset" from a particularly bad set of food choices. I've stopped seeing it as punishment for the bad choices, but getting it out of my system seems to really help me re-focus.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on April 14, 2011
at 08:03 PM

(that being said, i'm going to try my hand at a 2-3 day fast soon)

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on April 14, 2011
at 08:03 PM

There's no shame in your game. A couple fasts of that length may marginally improve long-term health, but they gloss over the fact that FOOD TASTES REALLY GOOD.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

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on April 14, 2011
at 07:48 PM

The benefit of this being longevity? I think I'd rather die sooner. Mentally, it would be too tough for me. I can hang for a 24-36 hour fast, that's plenty long enough for me. *Hangs head in shame.*

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on April 14, 2011
at 07:46 PM

I should also have added that I'm not sure whether continuous low protein like PHD is better or worse compared with cycling high/low protein periodically. That is a question I'm also interested in.

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on April 14, 2011
at 07:25 PM

water only fasts?

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on April 14, 2011
at 07:20 PM

Have you done any so far? If so, how'd it go?

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on April 14, 2011
at 09:16 PM

to be honest, it's difficult for me to cut down on protein. I love my meat, and it's the base. i might be eating more protein than I need, but I am not sure who otherwise I can feel satiated without upping the carbs too much. I can't eat coconut oil or butter straight up!

8d1ce78fe7071f2f60fd59365bf21cfc

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on May 22, 2011
at 05:43 PM

I felt like this could have been my comment. I love my meats, leaner choices on workout days and fattier & fish on rest days. I eat more carbs / less fat on WO days, but even with lower carbs I don't feel like I need to "supplement" fat with straight-up butter or oil.

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on April 14, 2011
at 08:24 PM

I have a handful of papers attributing health benefits to the fasting of Orthodox Christians, who fast from animal products roughly half the year, which usually equals a low protein diet, though many now eat meat substitutes.

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on April 15, 2011
at 12:59 AM

I remember reading (no source) the benefits of IF may be because of protein restriction. If that is the case, maybe doing random IF will give you all the benefit you need? I am interested in what kind of restriction levels we should follow to achieve results.

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on April 15, 2011
at 12:47 AM

I once restricted all intake of animal protein(and most plant sources---in any case all complete proteins). This lasted for a brief spell during which I was beset by extreme soreness in the body, mental lethargy and lightheadedness, as well as chronic irritability. I decided to go back to the conventional style bodybuilding diet after these symptoms. THey went away soon after and were replaced by strength and health...

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on April 15, 2011
at 12:07 AM

there may be studies and personal anecdotes indicating benefits of occasional abstaining from protein consumption: : : but fasting per se (no food) is, by logical and practical extension, fasting from protein as well - makes more sense to me...

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7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

on April 14, 2011
at 08:28 PM

I accidentally restricted protein for about a week. My work got extremely busy and I wasn't able to heat up my lunches and eat them. My typical protein intake is 75-100 grams and I was down in the 30/40 gram range for this one week.

I actually gained weight during that week and I wasn't going over my 75 grams of carbs. I also felt sluggish and tired. I made a conscious effort to eat my lunches the next week and get my protein back in my "normal" range and it definitely makes a difference for me.

I do fast occasionally, but I see no reason to specifically fast from protein or to cycle it. I do get some benefit from cycling my carbs though.

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3020fb359dfbedaf90f1611b036d3432

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on April 14, 2011
at 07:44 PM

Perfecthealthdiet.com advises low protein (10-15%) and it definitely should be considered 'Paleo'. I cycle protein during the week, going from very low (<5%) once a week to around 30% twice a week on refeed/workout days.

I also plan on doing week long water only fasts several times a year (I just haven't gotten the courage up yet to start one!).

3020fb359dfbedaf90f1611b036d3432

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on April 14, 2011
at 07:46 PM

I should also have added that I'm not sure whether continuous low protein like PHD is better or worse compared with cycling high/low protein periodically. That is a question I'm also interested in.

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4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

on April 14, 2011
at 07:19 PM

periodically for the benefits of Autophagy im totally in line with. A full blown fast does this and more. I think 1-2 7day fasts a year are what im shooting for.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22923)

on April 14, 2011
at 10:00 PM

Have you tried grassfed beef gelatin for your joints?

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on April 15, 2011
at 12:57 AM

I guess what I was asking was if the benefit of autophagy is increased longevity. Good luck Kamal! I hope not eating for days helps what you want it to help, otherwise that could suck A LOT.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22923)

on April 15, 2011
at 02:20 AM

@sherpamelissa : autophagy is about your body recycling junk. The benefit is eating cancer , improved longevity, reduced inflammation etc. @kamal: for your joints, I'd say only the inflammation part will be relevant to your joints. Otherwise you need fuel to repair. Potentially the autophagy can rebuild junk as needed joint repair components.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on April 14, 2011
at 08:48 PM

No, to see if it helps joint pain. I've tried pretty much everything other than long-term fasting and that magnetic thing that sends electrical pulses into your brain. Can't think of a good mechanism why it would help, maybe it's along the lines of "getting something out of the system".

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on April 14, 2011
at 08:03 PM

There's no shame in your game. A couple fasts of that length may marginally improve long-term health, but they gloss over the fact that FOOD TASTES REALLY GOOD.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on April 14, 2011
at 11:53 PM

Yup, I take 10-15 grams of unflavored gelatin a day. My joints are too loose (connective tissue disorder-- wrong ratio of collagen fibers). I can't think of a good reason that autophagy would change my gene expression, but gosh darn it I'm willing to try!

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on April 15, 2011
at 02:28 AM

Well Kamal, I am already the Paleo weirdo in my crew. I hope you start your blog soon! The better to internet stalk you, I mean follow your progress. ;)

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on April 14, 2011
at 08:25 PM

Why Kamal? Just to see if you can do it? When I fast for 24+ hours it's usually a "reset" from a particularly bad set of food choices. I've stopped seeing it as punishment for the bad choices, but getting it out of my system seems to really help me re-focus.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on April 14, 2011
at 07:48 PM

The benefit of this being longevity? I think I'd rather die sooner. Mentally, it would be too tough for me. I can hang for a 24-36 hour fast, that's plenty long enough for me. *Hangs head in shame.*

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on April 15, 2011
at 01:15 AM

Thanks Melissa. Truthfully, I suspect it will do zilch. But I can still brag about it to my friends, and they will see me as more of a macho man (well, paleo weirdo). I doubt autopaghy is a leading indicator of becoming a cool grandma that wears jeans, but might be worth a shot for those okay with long fasts.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on April 14, 2011
at 08:03 PM

(that being said, i'm going to try my hand at a 2-3 day fast soon)

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22923)

on April 15, 2011
at 12:24 AM

Autophagy cleans all the junk out. It's such an awesome system

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on April 14, 2011
at 07:20 PM

Have you done any so far? If so, how'd it go?

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

(5838)

on April 15, 2011
at 01:38 AM

@Stephen, Do you have any recommended reads on autophagy?

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on April 14, 2011
at 07:25 PM

water only fasts?

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22923)

on April 14, 2011
at 09:15 PM

Autophagy autophagy autophagy.

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