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Recommend a non-dairy (non whey and cassein derived) hydrolysate protein powder?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created November 08, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Can anyone recommend a protein hydrolysate that isnt derived from dairy? There are just so many benefits for training!

I'd love to benefit from a protein powder PWO, but they all seem to be whey and cassein.

I took an ALCAT food allergy test some years back and it came back showing me I was allergic to damn near everything Neolithic! Unfortunately, this includes whey and cassein. If I'm allergic to whey, how bad is it for me to take whey after a big workout?inflammation?

EDIT I realize this isn't paleo and this is only an experiment. I don't intend to become fixated upon or otherwise rely on shakes.

For more Paleo Diet hacks: Food allergies and inflammation - PaleoHacks.com http://paleohacks.com/questions/160246/food-allergies-and-inflammation#ixzz2BfuE3Ql2

EDIT I think if you are going to down vote, you should have to give a reason or explanation. I'm asking a simple question about a modification for training. With all the quasi paleo garbage on here such as bulletproof coffee, paleo deserts, blah blah, how the hell is asking a straight up question with a disclaimer admitting the paleo marginality of it deserving of a random down vote?

UPDATE: I have been using dairy enzymes from National Enzyme BioCor, sold by Now Foods with great success. I add some powder to my whey shake hrs ahead of time, let it sit, and take pwo. Much better tolerance.

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(2417)

on April 07, 2013
at 11:36 PM

Ill do a bit of research, thanks. Btw, as my edit indicates, I'm having luck with enzymes.

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(2417)

on April 07, 2013
at 11:35 PM

Good answer, ill check this out.

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on April 07, 2013
at 11:35 PM

Gelatin sounds interesting. Not interested in plant protein as I'm of a mind it's less bioavaialble.

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on March 24, 2013
at 12:41 AM

But that's just for a quick protein shot pwo so I have plenty of belly room for a ton of sweet potatoes! After that settles, it's back to nearly a kilo of beef.

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on March 24, 2013
at 12:40 AM

The very pure Japanese brand of whey isolate Ive been using has been tolerated pretty well by my system, especially when I add enzymes.

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on March 20, 2013
at 10:16 AM

They may lack complete amino acids but they are far from junk. Either you or he are an idiot. I'll let you decide which is which.

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on December 01, 2012
at 02:39 PM

I never noticed a difference in adding lots of leucine but my training partners did. It's so cheap it is probably worth a punt.

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(2417)

on November 26, 2012
at 05:28 AM

Thanks. Been using a really pure local isolate product here in Tokyo. I react a bit with runny nose. I also have been doing poached egg whites blended with BCAA and vanilla. You think it's worth adding the leucine?

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on November 26, 2012
at 05:23 AM

Carb timing does matter. Taking advantage of resistance training induced tGLUT translocation and subsequent non insulin mediated glucose uptake works. Eating carbs hours after training are less effectively absorbed into the muscles preferentially. Protein, well, not convinced of that timing effect/importance.

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on November 25, 2012
at 05:15 PM

I used to get it as a sponsored athlete from all sorts of manufacturers (all totally undrinkable without artificial flavours). Isolate with luicine /BCAA in 4:1:1 mixture is tastier and if you leave 10g of the BCAA the dissolve in water with a flavouring easier on to digest. BCAA drink followed by a real food meal will be the least allergenic.

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on November 11, 2012
at 04:42 PM

i think thats a bunch of broscience, meal timing dont really matter as long as you get the calories

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on November 11, 2012
at 03:41 PM

Collagen isn't junk. It just shouldn't be your only source of protein. People have died eating only collagen protein... Ironically it was called the "last chance diet"....

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(2417)

on November 11, 2012
at 12:11 AM

Well, as I mentioned above, Keifer specifically says collagen protein is junk.

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(2417)

on November 11, 2012
at 12:10 AM

Hydrolysate, leucine, and dextrose combined produce the highest insulin spike than any two.

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on November 11, 2012
at 12:09 AM

Immediately PWO they are absorbed ultra quickly. Wanting to try out some of the Keifer CBL protocols (30g hydrolysate, 10g BCAA (leucine))

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(2417)

on November 11, 2012
at 12:07 AM

Well, Keifer in CBL specifically says to avoid collagen hydrolysate as he says they lack complete amino acid profiles and are junk :/

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(2417)

on November 11, 2012
at 12:05 AM

Well, all the online sources I see for hydrolysate contain sweetners and flavoring....can you recommend a link for a pure one? Also, allergen wise, how would isolate and hydrolysate compare?

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on November 09, 2012
at 04:30 PM

The proteins are chopped up petty well so on a good hydrolysed whey there shouldn't be allergens left behind (should!). But having used hydrolysed proteins plenty I can't detect the slightest difference, bar the ghastly taste, which is all to apparent.

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on November 09, 2012
at 02:24 PM

Make beef or fish stock/broth from bones. Or crack bones and eat the marrow.

Look into gelatin powders. Knox is pure soluble protein, thoug I don't know how it rates as paleo.

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on November 09, 2012
at 06:48 AM

Here's what I've used but I also used whey at the time as well. I suspect it isn't sufficient on its own.

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on November 11, 2012
at 12:07 AM

Well, Keifer in CBL specifically says to avoid collagen hydrolysate as he says they lack complete amino acid profiles and are junk :/

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on March 20, 2013
at 10:16 AM

They may lack complete amino acids but they are far from junk. Either you or he are an idiot. I'll let you decide which is which.

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on June 17, 2013
at 05:57 PM

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on April 05, 2013
at 12:21 AM

To support Paleo12's answer, go to raypeat.com, search for gelatin. Your stomach will thank you.

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on April 07, 2013
at 11:36 PM

Ill do a bit of research, thanks. Btw, as my edit indicates, I'm having luck with enzymes.

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on April 04, 2013
at 11:45 PM

great lakes hydrolyzed gelatin. it's from grass-fed cattle and is pure protein. Proline, alanine, and glycine are it's major aminos which balance all the aminos in a standard meat based diet.

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on April 07, 2013
at 11:35 PM

Good answer, ill check this out.

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on April 04, 2013
at 10:26 PM

If you are looking for a high-quality plant based protein powder that isn't loaded with carbs, sweeteners, and fillers, I would highly recommend Perfect Plant Protein. It is brand new and literally just hit the market last night, but it is delicious, has 17 grams of protein in a 26 gram serving, and is loaded with probiotics and digestive enzymes. It is made of mushroom, hemp, and brown rice protein. The only potential allergen is the mushroom, but it is free of gluten, soy, dairy, corn, and egg.

Another thought is beef gelatin. A lot of people have a hard time wrapping their head around gelatin, but it's pretty amazing as a protein source and is oh-so-paleo. :) It is available in both hydrolyzed collagen and beef gelatin as well as a porcine gelatin.

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on April 07, 2013
at 11:35 PM

Gelatin sounds interesting. Not interested in plant protein as I'm of a mind it's less bioavaialble.

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on March 24, 2013
at 12:20 AM

Didn't tried them because I've always gone with ISO-100 or Whey Concentrate and so far so good (or at least that's what I think, who knows...) but on the body-building community I've seen some other forms of protein powder like hemp, rice and pea which seems pretty safe and maybe good alternatives. Have you tried any of these?

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(2417)

on March 24, 2013
at 12:40 AM

The very pure Japanese brand of whey isolate Ive been using has been tolerated pretty well by my system, especially when I add enzymes.

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(2417)

on March 24, 2013
at 12:41 AM

But that's just for a quick protein shot pwo so I have plenty of belly room for a ton of sweet potatoes! After that settles, it's back to nearly a kilo of beef.

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on November 25, 2012
at 01:07 AM

I use this post workout. Collagen Pre-workout & Gaspari BCAAs during.

http://m.luckyvitamin.com/p-127842-nitrofusion-multi-source-protein-100-natural-chocolate-raspberry-2-lbs

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on November 09, 2012
at 01:26 PM

Try beef protein isolate. Don't get the crap at the stores, you want something unadulterated so you can rule out allergic reactions from other ingredients...

http://www.truenutrition.com/p-1075-beef-protein-isolate-1lb-out-of-stock.aspx

and a review...

http://bodybuilding.ultimatefatburner.com/Carnivor.html

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(2417)

on November 11, 2012
at 12:11 AM

Well, as I mentioned above, Keifer specifically says collagen protein is junk.

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(2177)

on November 11, 2012
at 03:41 PM

Collagen isn't junk. It just shouldn't be your only source of protein. People have died eating only collagen protein... Ironically it was called the "last chance diet"....

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on November 09, 2012
at 01:15 PM

what are the benifits that you are talking about

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(2417)

on November 11, 2012
at 12:10 AM

Hydrolysate, leucine, and dextrose combined produce the highest insulin spike than any two.

Medium avatar

(2417)

on November 11, 2012
at 12:09 AM

Immediately PWO they are absorbed ultra quickly. Wanting to try out some of the Keifer CBL protocols (30g hydrolysate, 10g BCAA (leucine))

2e1591c76896828077b930de5107f1af

on November 11, 2012
at 04:42 PM

i think thats a bunch of broscience, meal timing dont really matter as long as you get the calories

Medium avatar

(2417)

on November 26, 2012
at 05:23 AM

Carb timing does matter. Taking advantage of resistance training induced tGLUT translocation and subsequent non insulin mediated glucose uptake works. Eating carbs hours after training are less effectively absorbed into the muscles preferentially. Protein, well, not convinced of that timing effect/importance.

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