Hi folks, I am pretty new to paleo - started 8 weeks ago, and have read Paleo for Athletes, Cordain's original Paleo, and Audette's Neanderthin. Mostly going with the Paleo for Athletes routine, with some carbs allowed just after exercise, and taking some whey protein in the morning with a fruit smoothie - but strict paleo the rest of the day. For exercise mostly weight lifting, with some running sprinkled in through the week (just a couple miles).
For the first 5-6 weeks going paleo things went great - dropped 3 1/2 inches off my waist and really felt fantastic, energy up and everything. The past 2 weeks have been real tough though - low on energy, and recently getting stomach pains right after I eat (lunch and dinner only, not breakfast). For the energy, I am afraid I am just not getting enough calories, so I have really started trying to up the meats, and making sure to eat lots of fruit and vegies (mostly apples, oranges, blue berries, broccoli, carrots).
Lately though, the past week - I just started getting stomach pains after eating. Feels like acid indigestion or something similar. It goes away after an couple hours. Just not sure what it could be. Maybe I should avoid the spices I am putting on my meats? I am going pretty heavy with the cayenne pepper, black pepper and a little garlic powder (yeah - overcompensating for no salt!!!).
EDIT: Thought I might add my sort of regular diet for the day:
Breakfast: - Smoothie (organic apple juice (not from conc.), frozen blue berries and strawberries, 50g whey protein (ON's Gold Std. Whey from Vitamin Shoppe) - 1/4 cantalope
Morning snacks: - 2 apples
Lunch: - big bowl of spinach (half a bag of prewashed leaves - organic) - 1/2 lb of ground buffalo sprinkled over the spinach (seasoned with cayenne, black pepper, garlic) - carrots (1 or 2, chopped) - broccoli (1 cup, chopped and microwaved) - olive oil over the salad, with a dash of balsamic
Afternoon snacks: - 1 apple - almonds (1 handful) - 1 orange
Post workout: - Fruit and protein smoothie (same as breakfast)
Dinner: - Pretty much same as lunch, though the meat may be different (e.g. chicken, or grass fed beef, can of salmon, or perhaps lean pork chop), and usually adding a tomato or two. - olive oil over the salad, with a dash of balsamic, maybe some lemon juice too
Late night: - Sometimes a 3rd fruit and protein smoothie again before bed (yeah - I am kinda hooked on my smoothies - closest thing to desert I get!).
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on July 17, 2010
at 11:15 PM
I would suggest limiting the fruit. Apples are very high in fructose and that can aggravate the stomach and digestive tract (see fructose malabsorption). Fructmal could be causing your lack of energy. Fruit juices, especially apple juice, are positively deadly. They are basically concentrated fructose with a few nutrients (that you can easily get elsewhere).
If you want to continue eating fruit, go with lower sugar fruits like berries. I would highly suggest cutting the fruit juice altogether. If you need a liquid for the smoothies, try almond or coconut milk.
And don't forget animal fat. Don't be afraid of the fattier cuts of meat. Fat is a great energy source and might help you get through this little bump in the road you're experiencing.
Best of luck!
on July 18, 2010
at 06:06 AM
As someone already mentioned, not much fat in that diet. Grassfed muscle meat is low on fat, much lower than corn fed. And our ancestors probably ate a lot of organ meats. It is said that the inuit gave their muscle meat to their dogs! Organ meats have much more fat and nutrients than the muscle meat. Looks like most of your fat consists of a little bit of olive oil on a salad.
ALso, kinda weird to drink that many smoothies! Carbs are indeed addictive at times. I have a rule that I try not to eat the same thing twice in one day so as to keep a variety of incoming nutrients. If I eat the same thing lots of times, it is easier to get tons of a few nutrients and shortages of others. I may end up saying the same thing over and over in these questions, but again I advise, go to fitday.com and type in what you are eating daily and get a free synopsis of your nutrient and fat, carb, protein intake and see how balanced it is. See what nutrients are missing and try some new foods that many paleos suggest, like avocado, etc.
Also, on another link, someone had a similar prob and cured it quickly using digestive enzymes.
on July 19, 2010
at 02:18 PM
Gee a lot of fruit in one day. I wouldn't eat that much a year. Cut that right out for a few weeks for a start. Also you are drinking far to many calories, what's wrong with food? Lastly you seem to be very low in fat. Something to remember, protein is essential, we know fat is essential but there are NO essential carbohydrates. Fruit and veggies can be nice but they aren't magical. Keep them in moderation. Try an elimination diet for a few weeks and slowly add back things and gauge your reactions as you go.
on July 18, 2010
at 04:21 AM
Typical advice if you are having digestive problems after meals is to cut out one thing at a time and see if it makes you feel any better. For example maybe try no vegetables for a few days to see if the fiber is the problem, cut out the protein powder to see if the whey is bothering you, cut out the fructose, etc... You can't really tell if there is a dietary cause unless you take the effort to cut one thing at a time. This is generally what a doc would have you do.
Also, some actually suggest generally limiting vegetables on paleo, for example Kurt Harris at PaleoNu. The theory being that they don't want to be eaten, don't contain any nutrients you can't get from quality meat or organs, and usually aren't that tasty without salt or butter. Personally I love my veggies but you should know they aren't a requirement.
on July 17, 2010
at 11:03 PM
I've noticed that if I eat 3/4 pound of beef at one sitting, I'll get a very acid stomach within a couple of hours or so.
on July 19, 2010
at 07:38 PM
Thanks for all the responses folks - it really helped - and I haven't had any stomach issues since I cut the fruit out yesterday morning (along with no more smoothies!). Seems the fructose or perhaps even the acids from the juices were getting me. I also made it over to Kurt's PāNu pages - pretty awesome. I haven't had any dairy in my diet in 8 weeks other than the whey and casein protein powders (which I am going to stop taking - I had no idea casein was a LG suspect!), so I started dropping in the unsalted butter into lots of dishes, and even drank some heavy cream (Horizon brand for both - its organic, but don't know about pastured - probably have to find a local at Whole Foods for that?). Also drank 2 cans of coconut milk each of the past two days - energy doing much better as a result. Thanks for your help!