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Protein levels on low carb paleo?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created October 24, 2011 at 3:46 PM

I've decided to give a low carb paleo diet one more try, in order to lose fat and, more importantly, cure my carb addiction, which is insanely strong.

I know it's pretty simple, just eat meat and non-starchy veggies. But I was wondering if there's a consensus as to the amount of protein one should eat on VLC paleo? For instance, Robb Wolf recommends that one eat about 1 gram per pound of bodyweight for fat loss. I'm 200lbs, and when I follow his recommendation, protein is like 50-60% of my daily calories eaten (but there's also a pretty big calorie deficit, so I guess my body is "eating" a lot more of its own fat...?)

Is there any danger of eating too much protein on a low carb, calorie restricted diet if you're overweight? Or will the extra protein just be converted to glucose as the body transitions to using ketones from bodyfat for fuel? Thoughts?

EDIT: Just to clarify my question... when I go low carb, eat the amount of protein recommended by Wolf, and restrict my calories (this just happens naturally if I eat the recommended amount of protein), then my diet ends up being relatively HIGH protein (like 50% of calories). This seems pretty high. Will I kick my carb addiction with this percentage of protein, or will gluconeogenesis cause problems? Do I need to eat more fat? Or will my own bodyfat be used for fuel?

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on October 25, 2011
at 04:30 AM

How do we separate rabbit starvation from actual starvation + protein and essential fatty acid deficiency?

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on October 25, 2011
at 02:38 AM

I don't think your diet approaches 50% protein. If it does, you'll feel sick, nauseous and have diarrhea. Excess protein intake is hard to implement, since you'll avoid protein. Lab animals, when offered additional protein, will go out of their way to avoid it. It's called "rabbit starvation" and Matt Lalonde talked about it during his podcast. Excess protein is no good. I would watch out for protein supplements. Step back. Increase the fat or carbs.

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on October 25, 2011
at 12:52 AM

EF is right here, Robb has also stated this in his podcasts.

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on October 24, 2011
at 11:54 PM

I don't mean to be blunt, but you guys are simply WRONG. Quoted from Robb Wolf's e-book: "We recommend eating 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight. That means if you’re a gal who weighs 160 pounds, you should be eating 160 grams of protein per day." At least for fat loss, the recommendation is 1 gram per pound of total bodyweight; it may be different once you are lean.

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on October 24, 2011
at 11:44 PM

Plus one........

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on October 24, 2011
at 06:35 PM

Thanks! That's just what I wanted someone to confirm for me.

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on October 24, 2011
at 08:07 PM

When you are losing fat, your fat ingestion is higher than what's given by your dietary intake, because you are consuming your stores. If you're ketogenic, I would count pretty much all of your caloric deficit, insofar as you can estimate it, as coming from fat. As you get closer to your normal weight, you should expect to need to eat more fat.

Gluconeogenesis normally works on demand, so I wouldn't worry about too much protein being converted into glucose and interfering with carb-crave-curbing.

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on October 24, 2011
at 06:25 PM

I think there are greater potential health concerns with iron overload (in susceptible individuals) than protein overload. What you're currently doing is the most effective method that I've found for body fat reduction (especially if low intensity activity is greatly increased), though it may be worthwhile to increase fat as a % of diet once you reach your desired BF%.

Regarding your carb addiction, gluconeogenesis will not interfere with your attempts to address it. It's a slow enough process that blood glucose will not be appreciably elevated.

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on October 24, 2011
at 06:35 PM

Thanks! That's just what I wanted someone to confirm for me.

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on October 24, 2011
at 11:25 PM

Robb Wolf doesn't recommend eating 1 gram of protein for each pound of current body weight. He recommends eating 1 gram of protein for each pound of lean body weight. That's an important distinction that too many of his listeners/readers seem to miss.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on October 24, 2011
at 11:44 PM

Plus one........

6da7ce6a4a250c46a6e78b5b4e22da83

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on October 24, 2011
at 11:54 PM

I don't mean to be blunt, but you guys are simply WRONG. Quoted from Robb Wolf's e-book: "We recommend eating 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight. That means if you’re a gal who weighs 160 pounds, you should be eating 160 grams of protein per day." At least for fat loss, the recommendation is 1 gram per pound of total bodyweight; it may be different once you are lean.

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on October 25, 2011
at 12:52 AM

EF is right here, Robb has also stated this in his podcasts.

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on October 25, 2011
at 02:47 AM

The other point about excess protein is the excess waste in your blood and urine. I posted about this. Your BUN will go high and while it may not be immediately dangerous, it's not desirable to have very high BUN or BUN/Creatinine ratio. Bodybuilders always end up becoming sick after ingesting more than 300g protein and end up with diarrhea. The condition can be dangerous if you don't know what you're doing, especially if the moron starts forcefeeding protein supplements in a mistaken attempt to add layers of muscle and definition. Talk to any bodybuilder and he'll tell you about his "styoopid experiment" that resulted in protein toxicity and soiled underpants.

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