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Protein frequency of traditional cultures

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 04, 2012 at 5:48 PM

The interesting concept of autophagy and its association with protein restriction brings to mind a very important question. I know that Stephan, at wholehealthsource, has elucidated the protein content of many traditional diets, but I was wondering if anyone knew the frequency of their meals--i.e. does anyone know if the meal frequency in effect caused an extended period of time where protein was restricted?

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on March 12, 2012
at 02:10 AM

@FED, thanks much for posting the link. That's an interesting read.

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on March 12, 2012
at 12:23 AM

"Among the Eastern Hadza, about 200-300 still live almost exclusively from hunting game, collecting honey, digging tubers, and gathering berries and baobab fruit (Marlowe 1999)." http://web.mnstate.edu/robertsb/307/ANTH%20307/hadzahuntergatherers.pdf

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on March 05, 2012
at 04:42 PM

I wrote "definitely not Yanomami" but I don't remember the names. They were short and very weird.

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on March 05, 2012
at 03:12 PM

I believe i can sum it up in two words: Food stability

E5c30d953dbed7c3b9c99b89f9d2e1b0

on March 05, 2012
at 10:36 AM

funy that you mntion the yanomami tribe cause this is one of the most abused and used by the international anthropologist. that mean it has influence by western civilistation so a lot data is not truly pure

E5c30d953dbed7c3b9c99b89f9d2e1b0

on March 05, 2012
at 10:35 AM

so related to my coment above. this isnt an evidence that the hadz not eat carbs. just look what they eat and look how much carbs are inside.

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on March 05, 2012
at 10:34 AM

i more think the woman always gather furits and vegies. and the man gather more easy getting thing like honey or roots and veggies if the unt fails.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on March 04, 2012
at 11:38 PM

When you watch the Hidden Planet segment, the Hadza are neither over-thin nor overweight. They also don't seem stressed or show signs of "hard times." For them, at least, while they are being squeezed by farmers they still seem to be living well so I doubt they're missing many meals whether meat or carbs.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on March 04, 2012
at 11:36 PM

When you watch the Hidden Planet segment, the Hadza are neither over-thin or overweight. The also don't seem stressed or show signs of "hard times." For them, at least, while they are being edged out by farmers they still seem to be living well so I doubt they're missing many meals whether meat or carbs.

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on March 04, 2012
at 11:03 PM

The assumption here is that the hunt occurs regularly and is usually successful.

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on March 04, 2012
at 09:37 PM

I think in their case it is different. Mainly because the protein they consume is mainly being used to produce glucose and ketones, meanwhile in our safe starch allowing world we are using the constituent amino acids for protein synthesis/signs of nutrient repletion--which prevent the process of autophagocytosis or arrest it in the middle of the process. But who knows

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on March 04, 2012
at 07:47 PM

A large animal might allow for multiple meals and heavy eating, but I agree it would be very intermittent.

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on March 04, 2012
at 07:05 PM

But if you look at it from that angle--i.e. protein dependent upon a successful hunt-- then you notice that the protein intake seems to be extremely intermittent as well. Looks like once every 24 hours..

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on March 04, 2012
at 06:51 PM

I would imagine it to be seasonal as well? Depending.

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F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on March 04, 2012
at 10:52 PM

I have read about two tribes from South America - I am sorry I forgot the names, but definitely not Yanomami.

Both tribes eat three meals per day - breakfast, lunch and dinner. Breakfast is very very light, leftover from dinner. Lunch is more like a snack. I think the author wrote that they eat for lunch whatever they find. Their lunch menus were listed, I just forgot what it was.

And dinner is like the biggest meal of the day. They ate it in the evening. One tribe ate roasted armadillo meat for dinner one day, I remember. And the next morning their breakfast was leftover armadillo meat (with other food, of course). But their breakfast is very small. They also ate all kinds of things I have never heard of.

So they do eat protein at least once or two times per day, but not that much. Those armadillos cannot be that huge, and you will have to share with other people as well.

But they also ate some kind of termites or grubs or some insects, as far as I remember.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 05, 2012
at 04:42 PM

I wrote "definitely not Yanomami" but I don't remember the names. They were short and very weird.

E5c30d953dbed7c3b9c99b89f9d2e1b0

on March 05, 2012
at 10:36 AM

funy that you mntion the yanomami tribe cause this is one of the most abused and used by the international anthropologist. that mean it has influence by western civilistation so a lot data is not truly pure

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96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on March 04, 2012
at 06:42 PM

In the Hidden Planet segment about the Hadza, a Hadza gentleman said, "When the hunt fails we gather fruit and roots."

My perception is that they eat meat unless they fail to obtain it, so protein would be pretty high and carbs would be intermittent for that particular traditional society.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on March 04, 2012
at 07:47 PM

A large animal might allow for multiple meals and heavy eating, but I agree it would be very intermittent.

1ccc0b0b7a756cd42466cef8f450d0cb

(1801)

on March 04, 2012
at 11:03 PM

The assumption here is that the hunt occurs regularly and is usually successful.

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

(5043)

on March 04, 2012
at 06:51 PM

I would imagine it to be seasonal as well? Depending.

E5c30d953dbed7c3b9c99b89f9d2e1b0

on March 05, 2012
at 10:35 AM

so related to my coment above. this isnt an evidence that the hadz not eat carbs. just look what they eat and look how much carbs are inside.

Dfeb3c1ef269c5dc03154d1689c14373

(716)

on March 04, 2012
at 07:05 PM

But if you look at it from that angle--i.e. protein dependent upon a successful hunt-- then you notice that the protein intake seems to be extremely intermittent as well. Looks like once every 24 hours..

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on March 04, 2012
at 11:36 PM

When you watch the Hidden Planet segment, the Hadza are neither over-thin or overweight. The also don't seem stressed or show signs of "hard times." For them, at least, while they are being edged out by farmers they still seem to be living well so I doubt they're missing many meals whether meat or carbs.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on March 04, 2012
at 11:38 PM

When you watch the Hidden Planet segment, the Hadza are neither over-thin nor overweight. They also don't seem stressed or show signs of "hard times." For them, at least, while they are being squeezed by farmers they still seem to be living well so I doubt they're missing many meals whether meat or carbs.

E5c30d953dbed7c3b9c99b89f9d2e1b0

on March 05, 2012
at 10:34 AM

i more think the woman always gather furits and vegies. and the man gather more easy getting thing like honey or roots and veggies if the unt fails.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on March 12, 2012
at 02:10 AM

@FED, thanks much for posting the link. That's an interesting read.

Medium avatar

(19479)

on March 12, 2012
at 12:23 AM

"Among the Eastern Hadza, about 200-300 still live almost exclusively from hunting game, collecting honey, digging tubers, and gathering berries and baobab fruit (Marlowe 1999)." http://web.mnstate.edu/robertsb/307/ANTH%20307/hadzahuntergatherers.pdf

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on March 04, 2012
at 07:37 PM

It hugely varies from innuit with 80% protein plus because nothing much else grows in the icy tundra to more like 40%.

Dfeb3c1ef269c5dc03154d1689c14373

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on March 04, 2012
at 09:37 PM

I think in their case it is different. Mainly because the protein they consume is mainly being used to produce glucose and ketones, meanwhile in our safe starch allowing world we are using the constituent amino acids for protein synthesis/signs of nutrient repletion--which prevent the process of autophagocytosis or arrest it in the middle of the process. But who knows

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E5c30d953dbed7c3b9c99b89f9d2e1b0

on March 05, 2012
at 10:44 AM

i just ask myself after following paleohacks over along period. Why you folks if your are so interested in traditional cultures and indgneous cultures. First contact anthropologist or people who realy know on this subject and studied and then later with your half learned knowledge ask a more detailed question here. Is Paleohacks realy a good place to find out on evulotionary science and lifestyle of indegenous people and people who live close to the earth. One big paradox i see. is the bulky ripped muscles i see in the paleopeople and the more slim apearence of huntergatherer tribes and traditional cultures. Its a paradox. why paleodiet followers are more ripped and bulky than hunter gatherers or people in paleolithic times?

Dfeb3c1ef269c5dc03154d1689c14373

(716)

on March 05, 2012
at 03:12 PM

I believe i can sum it up in two words: Food stability

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