Anyone have thoughts about Dr. Rosedale's recent appearance on Jimmy Moore's podcast?
He essentially distinguishes his leptin reset plan from Dr. Kruse's by recommending a much lower amount of protein, saying that the amount of protein recommended by Dr. Kruse is excessive and possibly unhealthy.
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on January 25, 2012
at 09:45 PM
Rosedale's thing on protein is that he doesn't want to trigger growth. This is based on research on the MTOR pathway. Protein over 20g at a meal supposedly triggers this pathway, as does carbohydrates. The researchers made a worms live longer by mutation, making MTOR and insulin not work as well on the cell; Rosedale and other suggest we can do the same with diet. Sounds good in theory, but in practice it makes me hungry.
And complicating matters is that I think Jimmy was asking Rosedale about Dr. Kruse's leptin reset protocol, but he seemed to be making the assumption that Dr. Kruse means for people to eat a big pile of protein for breakfast all the time, despite the word 'reset' implying there will be some point where you will be 'set' and thus able to eat more normally.
on January 25, 2012
at 07:58 PM
Dr Kruse suggests 50-75g of protein at breakfast and then suggests following primal or paleo as defined by Mark Sisson or Robb Wolf.
How could that be excessive? The general guideline is about 1g per pound of lean mass, and even as an average sized woman that puts my protein guideline at 100g or a little more (and that's less than 4 ounces of protein.) He also gives practical and clear guidance based on how your react to that initial meal.
I haven't read Dr Rosedale's output but if he disagrees with Kruse, Sisson and Wolf I'm less likely to because I find the other 3 approaches sensible and well thought out.
on February 27, 2012
at 11:17 PM
I listened to that show because I sent Jimmy in a question about we always hear about leptin reset and fixing leptin, and I had just got my leptin and rT3 labs and they were very low. Great news, but now what?
Rosedale said good, but diet doesn't change. It should be low carb, moderate protein, high fat, even when fixed.
Made sense to me. I made some adjustments since, plus a few more after the Sisson show a week or two later, and lost 10 lb so far.
Last year when Kruse's leptin reset went viral, I was reading it from the beginning and gave it a shot, not knowing if I needed it or not. Nothing much happened except I gained 10 lb. I didn't get labs until 2 months later (I have past history of high rT3, but it's been low since 2009) and the numbers showed that I was trying to fix something that wasn't broken.
I'm not sure how to explain the popularity of Kruse's leptin reset if Rosedale is right. This came up on Jimmy's forum and I think Dr Rosedale popped in. I think we settled on sometimes a new approach is just better than the old one.
on January 25, 2012
at 09:49 PM
Is it just me or does Kruse looks like Walter Bishop from Fringe?
Although it should be Leptin though.
on February 28, 2012
at 12:18 AM
on January 26, 2012
at 12:41 AM
The reason Dr. Kruse recommends high protein for breakfast is to stave off hunger later in the day and until lunch. For most people this is 50 grams. He and Rosedale both agree that eating things that mess with leptin is NOT GOOD. Rosedale feels it is OK to snack on his plan if the snacks are decent. That is, no carbs, low protein. Rosedale is a fan of a handful of nuts for a snack. There is a huge discussion between the two of them here oh PH, I'll go digging.....
on October 22, 2012
at 07:52 PM
I've done both Paleo and am currently on Rosedale. The difference that I am feeling is that my body was getting too acidic on Paleo, but seems to be evening out better and faster on Rosedale. I figure it's worth personally trying Rosedale for 3 weeks, if it works as well as it has the past week, I will be adopting this lifestyle full time. I should also mention that I have ulcerative colitits so that finding a diet that doesn't mess me up is really difficult to do. Sometimes it's about more than just losing weight!