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Is the amount of protein correct for Perfect Health Diet?

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Created May 25, 2011 at 3:33 PM

On the perfect health diet website the Jaminets suggest 200 calories of daily protein, but I cannot tell if they are calculating protein and fat calories separately in meats and eggs or just the total calories of protein type food. If one were to eat 2 eggs and 4 oz. of salmon that would be over 200 calories!!! Surely this is not what they are suggesting is it?? In their book they say they eat 1/2# meat daily and up to 3 eggs. If you enter your food in a tracker that separates the nutrients in each food you can get your protein + fat + carbohydrates. Is this what they are meaning we do? Has anyone ever seen a sample daily diet implementing their guidelines?

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on May 26, 2011
at 07:51 PM

Hi Ben, maybe ... protein needs don't scale exactly with body weight, it's more like 3/4 power or something ... even there it also varies somewhat with lean vs fat mass, and gender. I might do a post on that ... but for generic advice I prefer simplicity.

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on May 26, 2011
at 11:33 AM

Thanks so much David for getting specific for me. I use a software program that breaks down the grams of fat, protein, carb, etc. as well as percentages of total eaten and I stay between 55-90 grams protein a day. This is much easier to understand than the directive to eat 1/2-1 lb. protein a day.

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on May 26, 2011
at 09:57 AM

... only 26g versus 29g of protein, so you really don't need to worry about those differences in meats from a protein perspective, 100g of meat will be more or less the same amount of protein, even if the calories contained in it vary wildly.

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on May 26, 2011
at 09:55 AM

Yes Nancy you *do* separate out the fat. Are you familiar with working out a carb count? It's exactly the same: you work out the grams of carbs in brocolli/potato etc, not the grams of brocolli/potato in total. 200-600 protein calories means 50-150g protein. Do not worry *at all* about the total calories in the food, or the total weight of the food. The fact that the meat contains more/less fat changes its weight and calories, but not the protein, so just aim for 50-150g protein per day! The difference between 100g of very fatty (30%) ground beef and 100g of very lean (5%) ground beef is...

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on May 26, 2011
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nancy64: Download CRON-O-Meter program. Link - http://cron-o-meter.en.softonic.com/download Enter different foods to see what their protein/carb/fat content is. As for your example. 100g of ground beef has 17g of protein and 17g of fat. 100 g of ground beef has, 68 (17*4) calories of protein and 153 (17*9) calories of fat. 100g of ground beef has 221 (153+68) calories.

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on May 25, 2011
at 05:43 PM

thanks David. Am I understanding this correctly? An ounce of ground beef pan fried is about 86 total calories..8 oz. (their recommendation for the day) would be 688 calories. So they don't mean for you to have just 200-400 total calories of ground beef for the day's protein. You do separate out the fat. This is still confusing me after Paul's answer.

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on May 25, 2011
at 05:21 PM

Paul, would it not be easier and more straight forward to give a range for protein intake in grams of protein per pound of body weight?

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on May 25, 2011
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It is cool having you here, Paul! Havent read the book but it's cool that you're chiming in.

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on May 25, 2011
at 04:13 PM

Hi Nancy,

Our healthy protein range is 200 to 600 calories per day. So 200 calories would be a low protein diet and this is healthy only if the diet includes at least 400 carb calories per day, because any carb deficiency has to be made up with protein.

Low protein dieting can be beneficial for certain health conditions, especially bacterial and viral infections. It has associations with longevity. However it is not optimal for strength, wound healing, and some other health conditions. Everyone has to find their own personal optimum.

I would say that 1/2 to 1 lb meat per day is a good guideline. Most meats have about 500 calories protein per pound, so this would be 250 to 500 protein calories, squarely in our recommended range.

Best, Paul

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on May 25, 2011
at 04:35 PM

I love Paleo Hacks; straight from the horse's mouth! +1

Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

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on May 25, 2011
at 04:35 PM

I love Paleo hacks; straight from the horse's mouth! +1

9e20abb05f3f6e3cc4bb107f8980aecd

(5939)

on May 26, 2011
at 07:51 PM

Hi Ben, maybe ... protein needs don't scale exactly with body weight, it's more like 3/4 power or something ... even there it also varies somewhat with lean vs fat mass, and gender. I might do a post on that ... but for generic advice I prefer simplicity.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on May 25, 2011
at 05:21 PM

Paul, would it not be easier and more straight forward to give a range for protein intake in grams of protein per pound of body weight?

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on May 25, 2011
at 05:19 PM

It is cool having you here, Paul! Havent read the book but it's cool that you're chiming in.

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E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

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on May 25, 2011
at 04:00 PM

They are definitely talking about protein calories and not foods that are mostly protein, but including fat or carbohydrate calories. In other words, they mean 50g of protein (1g = 4 calories). That's roughly 300g of ground beef.

E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

(15613)

on May 26, 2011
at 09:57 AM

... only 26g versus 29g of protein, so you really don't need to worry about those differences in meats from a protein perspective, 100g of meat will be more or less the same amount of protein, even if the calories contained in it vary wildly.

D5096ff5baffc0ba5d20b21346414a7a

(1112)

on May 25, 2011
at 05:43 PM

thanks David. Am I understanding this correctly? An ounce of ground beef pan fried is about 86 total calories..8 oz. (their recommendation for the day) would be 688 calories. So they don't mean for you to have just 200-400 total calories of ground beef for the day's protein. You do separate out the fat. This is still confusing me after Paul's answer.

E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

(15613)

on May 26, 2011
at 09:55 AM

Yes Nancy you *do* separate out the fat. Are you familiar with working out a carb count? It's exactly the same: you work out the grams of carbs in brocolli/potato etc, not the grams of brocolli/potato in total. 200-600 protein calories means 50-150g protein. Do not worry *at all* about the total calories in the food, or the total weight of the food. The fact that the meat contains more/less fat changes its weight and calories, but not the protein, so just aim for 50-150g protein per day! The difference between 100g of very fatty (30%) ground beef and 100g of very lean (5%) ground beef is...

D5096ff5baffc0ba5d20b21346414a7a

(1112)

on May 26, 2011
at 11:33 AM

Thanks so much David for getting specific for me. I use a software program that breaks down the grams of fat, protein, carb, etc. as well as percentages of total eaten and I stay between 55-90 grams protein a day. This is much easier to understand than the directive to eat 1/2-1 lb. protein a day.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

(2399)

on May 26, 2011
at 08:05 AM

nancy64: Download CRON-O-Meter program. Link - http://cron-o-meter.en.softonic.com/download Enter different foods to see what their protein/carb/fat content is. As for your example. 100g of ground beef has 17g of protein and 17g of fat. 100 g of ground beef has, 68 (17*4) calories of protein and 153 (17*9) calories of fat. 100g of ground beef has 221 (153+68) calories.

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