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I'm a smelly girl: detoxing or in ketosis?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 04, 2013 at 5:36 AM

Hi everyone, I've been eating partially paleo (everything paleo except I added potatoes and rice and once a week BAD chocolat) for a year.

3 weeks ago I left out potatoes and rice and started to eat more meat and fish and nuts instead, also a bit more good starches (pumpkin). Also I turned to eating organic only. I've also started to work-out every other day since 2 weeks, I did run before but didnt train my muscles.

Since 5 days I smell horrible from my armpits! I first thought I was detoxing, getting rid of toxins in my body from drinking alcohol, sugar and non-organic food-chemicals. But my housemate suggested I might also be burning my muscles, which creates ketones.

What do you think? My weight is 56 kg and I'm 1,70 female. How much grams fat, carbohydrates and proteines should I eat? As I'm doing a project where I live like a cavewoman in Amsterdam for 100 days (see What about Wilma), I can't drink proteineshakes - really just the stuff they had in paleolithic times.

Thanks!!

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on June 04, 2013
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@Mscott You are correct, and that's what I get for not speaking with accurate words. But my understanding is that ketone bodies are produced by the liver, and only a small amount of Acetyl-CoA is needed to "get the process started." If the smell is indeed acetone, it would be from what is colloquially called "ketosis" and not the breakdown of all ketogenic amino acids in muscles. /me tries to find his old textbooks

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on June 04, 2013
at 08:37 PM

Amino acids can be glucogenic, ketogenic, or both. You can make ketones and glucose from muscle protein.

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on June 04, 2013
at 05:47 PM

@Stephen Ross - I don't understand what problem you have with the way she posted. Is it not enough of a question? She seems to have an issue and is asking for input. How do you suggest she post it?

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on June 04, 2013
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This .

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on June 04, 2013
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-1 for admitting to being a smelly girl. JK, but srs, why would you post it like that?

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I wasnt using soap and only showering with cold water..

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Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on June 04, 2013
at 12:05 PM

Your housemate has no idea what they are talking about.

Ketones are produced as the byproduct of the breakdown of fatty acids - not your muscles. The energy bearing byproduct of muscle catabolosim is glucose, not ketones.

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on June 04, 2013
at 08:37 PM

Amino acids can be glucogenic, ketogenic, or both. You can make ketones and glucose from muscle protein.

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on June 04, 2013
at 02:56 PM

This .

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on June 04, 2013
at 10:02 PM

@Mscott You are correct, and that's what I get for not speaking with accurate words. But my understanding is that ketone bodies are produced by the liver, and only a small amount of Acetyl-CoA is needed to "get the process started." If the smell is indeed acetone, it would be from what is colloquially called "ketosis" and not the breakdown of all ketogenic amino acids in muscles. /me tries to find his old textbooks

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on June 04, 2013
at 09:18 AM

If your low carb but eating enough fat & proetin your body would have no reason to 'burn your muscles', ketosis is when your primarily burning fat not protein so really has nothing to do with muscle wasting.

Ketosis has never been smelly in my experience although supposedly it can be, mainly it's reported about breathe smell not armpits, drinking more water can help to direct the excess ketones to urine rather than breath

My armpits always smell bad after i've sweated, sometimes less than others, I consider it very normal

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on June 05, 2013
at 03:38 AM

I had a similar experience when I went VLC. The smell was way more potent than I'd ever experienced in my life. Also, one armpit (the left one) produced a much stronger smell than the other. This symptom disappeared when I transitioned to a moderate carb Paleo diet. Also, the odor was just regular BO -- not a different smell.

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on June 04, 2013
at 08:13 PM

Body odor can be a sign of a systemic yeast infection, which isn't anything uncommon or anything to be afraid of. Try cutting back to no more than 40 grams/day of carbohydrates for a week or so. Hopefully your body odor will go away. You can then try adding carbs back in very slowly.

As for recommending carbs/protein/fat levels for you, this is hard to do without knowing your lifestyle, exercise level/frequency and what your goals are. If you do have a yeast problem you will need to keep carbs low and bump up either fat or protein, probably fat.

_Lazza

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on June 04, 2013
at 01:09 PM

If you are eating about 1g of protein per 1lb (0.45kg) of ideal body weight, then you are not burning muscle mass. If you are low carb you are probably in ketosis or, gluconeogenesis is causing the odor. Try eating some fruit before working out and see if that helps.

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on June 04, 2013
at 09:05 AM

Hi there Marianne

I can't answer the whole grams of protein to carbs etc but I can tell you that if your showering more often due to working out then your stripping more oil from your skin.

I had slightly smelly pits until I stopped using shower gel and soap, now I can't smell anything I have no odor even after a long day sweating.

It would fit well with the cave woman part and compliments Paleo living too. The idea is if you wouldn't put it in your stomach why would you put it on your skin!

I'm sure someone can answer the other part for you ;-) Good look with the cave woman project I'd like to know where I can find out how it works out.

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on June 04, 2013
at 11:56 AM

I wasnt using soap and only showering with cold water..

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