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Does anyone do high protein, low fat and low carbs?

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Created June 06, 2012 at 10:08 AM

I was just wondering if anyone on here does a high protein diet? What happens when you eat a diet primarily of protein with low carbs and low fats? I remember reading once that what your body cannot use of protein, it wastes. Does that mean you can???t store excess protein as fat on the body? If this is so, would it then be better for weight loss than high fat, mod protein, low carb? Considering that you can???t put on fat from too much protein? Also considering an overweight person should have enough fat/energy stores already on their body to tap into, could a high protein diet mean that you use your own reserves as fuel/energy, and are just eating protein to maintain muscle mass, all the while losing weight (fat)? What are the risks/benefits of a high protein diet?

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Actually what your saying makes sense. I read articles on the fact that in the first 3 weeks when your body is still adapting to a keto/ fat burning "style" the body also needs more protein (you need extra protein for glucogenesis), but once adapted it's better to lower a bit the protein levels as your body can more easily make ketones(as energy for the brain). Anyway i agree signals are important. As for wanting ice-cream, maybe it's saying "give me fat"?

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on June 06, 2012
at 08:54 PM

mmmm like avocado...or seared with a tomato salsa....

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I love meat too...seriously...those Brazilian bbqs are my heaven. I think it's delicious!! but i tend to eat it with the fat on it...I was thinking maybe getting the leaner cuts and reducing my fat intake to see if that would help shed some kilos ... also about your body giving you signals...sometimes my body gives me signals to eat ice cream, so I don't think it's always right ;)

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1500 calories of protein a day is a LOT of tuna. No doubt it would work short term for weight loss, but once that's accomplished I'd be bringing in something else I like to eat. I like tuna, but I like it best with something other than more tuna.

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@diane I see more of a problem from eating a surfeit all the time than from the macro splits. Obesity is what we're not supposed to be. There's a downside to starvation; there's a downside to eating 5000 calories per day. We're capable of either for extended periods of time. Regarding the macros, certainly there are better and worse foods, but no food that we can digest is ever completely off the table.

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at 06:17 PM

you and me both...i'm a 22 year old and i can't eat till the cows come home haha ... but yeah i have to cut the butter and oils I think!! cut the fruit and nuts no worries, now to take the next step :)

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on June 06, 2012
at 06:12 PM

Yes. Some days mostly protein, depending on my grocery situation. Modest carb feeds every once in a while on workout days just to keep the hormones honest. If you've eaten strict paleo, it's really not that difficult. For me it was simply a matter of not eating butter, coconut oil, and PWO carbs without restriction. Turns out that when a 42 year old economist eats like a 21 year old linebacker, things get ugly. Paleo or not, it turns out calories DO matter to me.

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Thanks! That helps a lot. I was wondering about this cause I already have a lot of fat my body could use on itself for energy.

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"Eat. Real. Food. Not a whole lot, but enough to sustain, repair, and build a healthy body." I think you forgot to mention that this preceeded the mentioning of eating ANYTHING in ANY ratio. Therefore I'd assume he meant doing so under these guidelines.

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at 06:04 PM

Yeah...who said anything about starvation? You can run a deficit if you want on any diet. I've already eaten about 1,800 kcals today and have supper yet to go. I'll end the day eating just at or below my RMR, but I'm hardly starving, trust me. Pork shoulder and broccoli for bfast, ground beef and kale for lunch, haddock and whatever for supper. Now my neighbour who's on the "cookie diet"...she's starving.

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at 05:04 PM

I don't think we evolved to eat ANYTHING in ANY ratio. If that were true, all those SAD eaters would be healthy.

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at 04:18 PM

+1 It has definitely worked for me short-term, but I would go crazy eating that way for more than a couple of weeks.

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So basically you would eat protein for lean body mass then fill up on spinach/kale/cabbage/lettuce and the likes?

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It's not meant to be starvation or hypocaloric...I don't think I mentioned that...I just meant in terms of ratios, was it possible to do a high protein/low fat/low carb diet

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I LOVE this response. Enjoy life to the max! Yup I will enjoy life if I can learn not to worry about the nitpicky stuff.

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I've found online diet diaries like cronometer useful to check periodically whether my intake is on track. (and a big part of that is making sure I get enough - nutrients, calories, etc) People raised on the SAD or USDA version can find it difficult to switch over to paleo. While ideally our instinct would tell us what to eat, our instinct are buried under years and years of indoctrination. IMO using the diaries helps with the retraining process. And it helps teach automatically what foods are most nutritious and how to get all your diet needs from foods rather than supplements.

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"Then when they start eating a lower carb diet than they have been, they wind up high protein, low carb, low fat and often too low calorie." And then paleo devolves into being just another eating disorder.... a pathway to anorexia.

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on June 06, 2012
at 02:26 PM

People here often complain about calorie counting and processed foods, while at the same time counting carbs, eating supplements and microtweaking their macros. Neither route is ancestral. We evolved to eat anything, in any ratio, at starvation or surfeit levels.

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on June 06, 2012
at 02:20 PM

Google "rabbit starvation" or PSMF. High protein/low calorie is a strat for quick fat loss, as noted below. Long term high protein with little fat or carbohydrate is a very bad idea...

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on June 06, 2012
at 02:11 PM

Great advice!!!

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on June 06, 2012
at 02:07 PM

Word. I eat at most 30% of cals from fat. Whatever, works fine for me.

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on June 06, 2012
at 02:01 PM

I agree with Guyenet in that respect. I see carbs as being so essential that our body will produce them if we do not ingest them. I don't think that our body would produce something endogenously that is toxic to our system.

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Excessive protein can also keep people from going into ketosis, which is the purpose of going low carb. The body can convert protein into glucose (rather messily).

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on June 06, 2012
at 01:57 PM

There is a limit to how much body fat most people can metabolize per day. Another issue is that losing body weight too fast can release toxins that get stored in fat faster than the body can process and detoxify them. Fat helps with satiety. So long as fat is high as a percentage of calories and protein is adequate it will be easier to stay at a calorie level that allows weight loss.

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on June 06, 2012
at 01:52 PM

Seriously solid answer. Again it's refreshing to see that 30% of one's calories from fat is in no way "low fat." I get that all the time from people.

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at 01:47 PM

"I just want to lose weight." You will lose weight eating a hypo caloric high fat diet, but your composition will not look significantly improved unless you're taking anabolic steroids to preserve your muscle mass and aid in body recomp.

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on June 06, 2012
at 01:32 PM

Some days I definitely eat more carbs/fat though, like if I'm out with people and just want to enjoy myself.

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on June 06, 2012
at 01:31 PM

Personally I eat 36-46g starch when in a strict cutting cycle and pretty much no additional fat. When not cutting I add in another 30g carbs around workouts. and add in things like some avocado, a few nuts, a little olive oil, and some fruit, and some dairy products like butter, Greek, and sheeps milk yogurt.

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on June 06, 2012
at 01:30 PM

Personally I eat 36g starch when in a strict cutting cycle and pretty much no additional fat. When not cutting I add in another 30g carbs around workouts. and add in things like nuts, olive oil, and some fruit, and some dairy products like butter, Greek and sheeps milk yogurt.

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on June 06, 2012
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I don't think fat is bad, when you're lean. But I'm not lean. I think maybe I eat too much fat for my body to tap into it's own resources...I think it uses dietary fat, when I should use the 40lbs+ i have on me

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at 01:28 PM

I just want to lose weight, and the highfat paleo did not work for me at all....about two weeks ago I cut the fat...I already look less puffy, and also my cravings to constantly eat have died a bit...I felt like I needed to eat a lot more eating high fat...I feel good on higher protein for sure!

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on June 06, 2012
at 01:25 PM

Saying "faleo" is limiting yourself way too much.

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on June 06, 2012
at 01:25 PM

THere was study posted on here where participants reversed their diabetes eating like 2 low fat protein shakes a day and 2 servings on non starchy vegetables. That's high protein, low fat, and low carb and it worked extremely well for them. Of course they won;t maintain that deficit for so long, and will probably put on some rebound weight in the short term, but in the long term they'll probably end up leaner and healthier.

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on June 06, 2012
at 01:23 PM

... but yes, I think eating high fat can work when you're already lean, but not when you're trying to get there. It's usually the case that the people who look very lean were already lean and then adopted a higher fat diet.

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on June 06, 2012
at 01:20 PM

It's only that the downsides are so terrible that prevent me from eating so little calories all the time. That's why I like carb/calorie cycling, so that I can (not) have my cake and (not) eat it too.

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on June 06, 2012
at 01:19 PM

I have no idea what works best for you, but this works me. Also the "faleo" concept because it feels bad is not true for me. I feel great eating very low calorie and high protein because del good endorphins kick in. It's not healthy when taken to the extreme, but it is my experience.

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i seriously just used to eat butter on a spoon when i first went paleo...i dropped the carbs...added fat liberally all over the place...kept protein high...and I wondered how so many had been eating like this and losing weight, when I only seem to be gaining?! but I am starting to learn now that I need to cut the fat, keep higher protein, keep low carb, and my body will use itself and hopefully then I'll lose weight!!

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at 01:01 PM

You know...since I went Paleo following high fat and high protein I put on like 10kg and I thought I was doing the right thing, but it makes more sense that my body is only burning dietary fat rather than my own stores...which is about 40lbs I presume...so if I limit fat intake, and carb intake, my body should be able to use itself for energy? but consume glucose/starch PWO? this could be that n=1 I have been trying to figure out why the high fat paleo gig isn't working for me :S

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at 12:34 PM

Yes. IT takes a lot longer to "starve" a person with high body fat than it does one with low. Stored body fat serves as a survival mechanism for when food is scarce. There is nothing wrong with a low fat high protein diet in the short run. If you lose enough body fat reserves (and glycogen I guess), and you continue though, you will likely experience rabbit starvation and also mess up your hormones.

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If their goal is to lose weight, and specifically fat mass and the expense of muscle mass, that is a great diet. Their body will go to their fat reserves for energy. They really won't be starving. It takes a lot longer to starve a person with higher body fat- it's a surveil mechanism for chrissake.

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on June 06, 2012
at 01:52 PM

After reading Brad Pilon's "How much Protein?" own trial and error, fasting experiments, I finally found the answer (that works for me). Eat. Real. Food. Not a whole lot, but enough to sustain, repair, and build a healthy body. I don't track macronutrient ratios. I don't worry about insulinz spikezzz. (Assuming a metabolically stable, healthy, semi-active individual.)

Now, if you're diabetic? I could see a different story.

Now "to each their own." Some people enjoy the macro ratios. Some enjoy making sure they do not have a high fat/high carb meal to reduce insulin. Etcetc.. Some people have different genetics and have to adapt. Me? Life is too precious to nit-pick food pairing. As a matter of fact, my breakfast smoothie had equal ratios carbs/fat/protein. (Berries, raw honey, full fat dairy, coconut, etc) And I already foresee a sweet potato with a big dollop of butter for dinner. Before I was lean, I followed this pattern of eating and lost some weight. Likewise my friends that I advised.

Short term? Sure. It'll help shed some water and deplete the excess glucose in your system. Long term? Not necessary. I remember reading a post by Stephan Guyenet how gluconeogenesis is "proof" that glucose was "necessary" or among the average daily intake in ancestral diets. Is he right? I don't know. Does it make sense? Seems to.

I'm no scientist, but the more we start to "stress" or strive to dial in and nit pick with macro ratios and so forth, the harder it becomes. The more stressful it becomes, it seems. I say focus on real, wholesome, natural foods. Get daily activity, do a couple heavier/intense workout sessions, and enjoy life to the max.

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on June 06, 2012
at 02:01 PM

I agree with Guyenet in that respect. I see carbs as being so essential that our body will produce them if we do not ingest them. I don't think that our body would produce something endogenously that is toxic to our system.

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on June 06, 2012
at 03:57 PM

I LOVE this response. Enjoy life to the max! Yup I will enjoy life if I can learn not to worry about the nitpicky stuff.

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on June 06, 2012
at 05:04 PM

I don't think we evolved to eat ANYTHING in ANY ratio. If that were true, all those SAD eaters would be healthy.

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

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on June 06, 2012
at 06:08 PM

"Eat. Real. Food. Not a whole lot, but enough to sustain, repair, and build a healthy body." I think you forgot to mention that this preceeded the mentioning of eating ANYTHING in ANY ratio. Therefore I'd assume he meant doing so under these guidelines.

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on June 06, 2012
at 02:26 PM

People here often complain about calorie counting and processed foods, while at the same time counting carbs, eating supplements and microtweaking their macros. Neither route is ancestral. We evolved to eat anything, in any ratio, at starvation or surfeit levels.

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on June 06, 2012
at 03:06 PM

I've found online diet diaries like cronometer useful to check periodically whether my intake is on track. (and a big part of that is making sure I get enough - nutrients, calories, etc) People raised on the SAD or USDA version can find it difficult to switch over to paleo. While ideally our instinct would tell us what to eat, our instinct are buried under years and years of indoctrination. IMO using the diaries helps with the retraining process. And it helps teach automatically what foods are most nutritious and how to get all your diet needs from foods rather than supplements.

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on June 06, 2012
at 06:39 PM

@diane I see more of a problem from eating a surfeit all the time than from the macro splits. Obesity is what we're not supposed to be. There's a downside to starvation; there's a downside to eating 5000 calories per day. We're capable of either for extended periods of time. Regarding the macros, certainly there are better and worse foods, but no food that we can digest is ever completely off the table.

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on June 06, 2012
at 10:28 AM

Yes, and it's generally employed in the context of a Protein-Sparing Modified Fast (PSMF), which is also severely hypocaloric in order to maximize fat loss in a short period of time.

It's not sustainable; the body doesn't like to derive energy from protein, preferring the more convenient metabolic pathways of carbohydrate and fat. You'll feel like straight-up sh-- after a while once you've sufficiently depleted your fat stores, glycogen stores, and your hormones are out of whack.

Don't attempt it for a sustained period of time.

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on June 06, 2012
at 02:11 PM

Great advice!!!

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at 04:18 PM

+1 It has definitely worked for me short-term, but I would go crazy eating that way for more than a couple of weeks.

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on June 06, 2012
at 11:30 AM

It's also known as the Faileo diet because people feel so terrible on it that they eventually give up. A lot of people try the Faileo diet when going paleo because they have the "fat is bad" message thoroughly embedded in their minds. Then when they start eating a lower carb diet than they have been, they wind up high protein, low carb, low fat and often too low calorie.

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on June 06, 2012
at 01:57 PM

There is a limit to how much body fat most people can metabolize per day. Another issue is that losing body weight too fast can release toxins that get stored in fat faster than the body can process and detoxify them. Fat helps with satiety. So long as fat is high as a percentage of calories and protein is adequate it will be easier to stay at a calorie level that allows weight loss.

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on June 06, 2012
at 02:01 PM

Excessive protein can also keep people from going into ketosis, which is the purpose of going low carb. The body can convert protein into glucose (rather messily).

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on June 06, 2012
at 02:30 PM

"Then when they start eating a lower carb diet than they have been, they wind up high protein, low carb, low fat and often too low calorie." And then paleo devolves into being just another eating disorder.... a pathway to anorexia.

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at 01:29 PM

I don't think fat is bad, when you're lean. But I'm not lean. I think maybe I eat too much fat for my body to tap into it's own resources...I think it uses dietary fat, when I should use the 40lbs+ i have on me

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on June 06, 2012
at 12:30 PM

If their goal is to lose weight, and specifically fat mass and the expense of muscle mass, that is a great diet. Their body will go to their fat reserves for energy. They really won't be starving. It takes a lot longer to starve a person with higher body fat- it's a surveil mechanism for chrissake.

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on June 06, 2012
at 12:43 PM

The answer is different depending on context -- weight loss vs. maintenance.

But first, if we're going to be talking "low" anything, part of the problem is fixating on percentage vs. absolute amounts. For example, many consider 30% energy from fat a low fat diet. Well, if you're eating 2500 cal/day, that's 83 grams of fat or about 6T or 3/4 or a stick of butter a day. That might be a midnight snack for some here, but by no means low fat. Such a diet can easily incorporate some fattier protein choices. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, so before ketomania set in, any diet that was 20% energy from carb would be considered low carb (even 30%, but ...). This amounts to 125g carb which is like 8 apples or 8 pieces of (non-paleo) Ezekiel bread a day. That said, maintenance for such a diet would require getting 50% of one's energy from protein = 1250 cal = over 300g protein. This definitely pushes the limits, especially for chronic intake, on nitrogen handling. On the other hand, for a woman who is in maintenance around 1750 cal/day this P/F/C of 50/30/20 would amount to 219/58/88 grams. Still high protein but enough fat & carbs to be livable for most, especially if averaged out a bit. Still, not proportions that are achieved "naturally" very easily. Ratios of 30/40/30 or 30/30/40 seem to "settle out" for many.

Weight loss is a different game. The point is to burn body fat and preserve lean tissue. A high protein diet is your best bet to help preserve lean tissue. Percents are out the window here IMO. If you're eating 1200 cal/day, 50% protein = 600 cal = 125g <-normal for many. If you want to go percents, 20% carb = 60g then 30% fat = 40g fat. Hard to do with fatty protein options, but the fact of the matter is that in caloric deficit, carb is not being changed into fat nor is insulin locking your body fat away. So every gram of fat you take in is a gram that isn't getting NET burned from your belly or booty. And here's where everyone has to keep their heads. Because if trying to eat VLF means you abandon the diet, it's no good. Eat enough fat with protein to satiate. When you get the details of most who claim to eat VHF and the pounds melted off, they aren't eating all that much.

This woman succeeded LF/LC: http://www.carolinejhingory.com/ Podcast with Jimmy Moore: http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/shownotes/2356/caroline-jhingory-%E2%80%98week-of-weight-loss-success-2%E2%80%B2-episode-396/

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i seriously just used to eat butter on a spoon when i first went paleo...i dropped the carbs...added fat liberally all over the place...kept protein high...and I wondered how so many had been eating like this and losing weight, when I only seem to be gaining?! but I am starting to learn now that I need to cut the fat, keep higher protein, keep low carb, and my body will use itself and hopefully then I'll lose weight!!

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Word. I eat at most 30% of cals from fat. Whatever, works fine for me.

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Seriously solid answer. Again it's refreshing to see that 30% of one's calories from fat is in no way "low fat." I get that all the time from people.

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I'm low carb, high protein, medium fat, but I'm losing fat so if you include internal fat burn I'm actually high fat as well.

If you keep carbs low that number can't change much, and if you pick a number for the amount of protein you want per day (a hard number to decide on based on the recurring questions about it) the protein number can't change much. I use fat intake to roughly adjust my calories in. My body fat goes down, my muscle goes up (I lift heavy) and I'm happy since everything is going in the right direction. YMMV.

And yes, overweight people have plenty of fat, but there's only so much of it the body can burn per day so low fat/low carb doesn't really work.

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at 04:48 PM

I believe this is basically what Robb Wolf recommends in his guide to fat loss. At least a gram of protein per pound of body weight, little added fat and little added carbs (depending on the amount of exercise). Personally, I lose body fat very easily this way. Protein is the most satiating macronutrient by far. Compare eating a stick of butter to the equivalent amount of lean protein. This high protein helps preserve your muscle, and it naturally keeps calories very low, so you use your own body fat for energy. If you already have a bunch of fat on your body, it doesn't make sense to me to add too much more to your food. This is also what Art DeVany recommends, I believe. And not because fat it evil or unhealthy, but it is calorie dense and easy to overeat. Once you near your desired body fat percentage, however, you can and should add more fat back into your diet.

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at 06:10 PM

Thanks! That helps a lot. I was wondering about this cause I already have a lot of fat my body could use on itself for energy.

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on June 06, 2012
at 02:28 PM

The diet might make sense as a starvation diet. If you want to eat only 800 cal/day, then making it predominantly protein sends that satiety signal and gives you some protein, making the diet doable for a little while and helping maintain some muscle mass. It's the sort of thing that I guess might make sense to do for two weeks for those people who want to drop a few pounds for the summer. Of course I think it's better instead to build some good habits so that every summer after this one you'll look good without trying.

Starvation diets are not typically a good idea, but if you had to do it, making what you do eat mostly protein makes sense.

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mmmm like avocado...or seared with a tomato salsa....

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at 04:00 PM

It's not meant to be starvation or hypocaloric...I don't think I mentioned that...I just meant in terms of ratios, was it possible to do a high protein/low fat/low carb diet

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on June 06, 2012
at 06:45 PM

1500 calories of protein a day is a LOT of tuna. No doubt it would work short term for weight loss, but once that's accomplished I'd be bringing in something else I like to eat. I like tuna, but I like it best with something other than more tuna.

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on June 06, 2012
at 06:04 PM

Yeah...who said anything about starvation? You can run a deficit if you want on any diet. I've already eaten about 1,800 kcals today and have supper yet to go. I'll end the day eating just at or below my RMR, but I'm hardly starving, trust me. Pork shoulder and broccoli for bfast, ground beef and kale for lunch, haddock and whatever for supper. Now my neighbour who's on the "cookie diet"...she's starving.

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on June 06, 2012
at 01:34 PM

As Matthius pointed out, it's like a PSMF. I started serious (for me) weight training this past year and have been eating a higher calorie, higher fat, high PWO carb paleo diet. My strength and muscle gains have been amazing (again...for me), but I also packed on probably 10 lbs of fat I haven't had in years. I tinkered with everything possible but was still getting progressively jiggly. After measuring in at 20%+ body fat about 8 weeks ago, I decided I'd had enough and needed to do something about it. I started a PSMF based on Lyle McDonald's work and have been dropping fat like nobody's business. 1g of leanish protein per lb of lean body mass, green leafies and other low carb veggies til I'm stuffed. You end up running a fairly hefty caloric deficit while (hopefully) maintaining LBM. It's admittedly a short-term shotgun approach, but the results have been impressive so far so the experiment continues.

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on June 06, 2012
at 04:00 PM

So basically you would eat protein for lean body mass then fill up on spinach/kale/cabbage/lettuce and the likes?

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on June 06, 2012
at 06:12 PM

Yes. Some days mostly protein, depending on my grocery situation. Modest carb feeds every once in a while on workout days just to keep the hormones honest. If you've eaten strict paleo, it's really not that difficult. For me it was simply a matter of not eating butter, coconut oil, and PWO carbs without restriction. Turns out that when a 42 year old economist eats like a 21 year old linebacker, things get ugly. Paleo or not, it turns out calories DO matter to me.

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on June 06, 2012
at 06:17 PM

you and me both...i'm a 22 year old and i can't eat till the cows come home haha ... but yeah i have to cut the butter and oils I think!! cut the fruit and nuts no worries, now to take the next step :)

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on June 06, 2012
at 06:49 PM

I find that when I am first adapting to a keto type diet my body is happier having higher protein levels. I am a meat-eater at heart, so I don't see anything wrong with allowing my body this (especially because I am highly active).

In the long run? It is expensive. You will get more bang for your buck out of the healthy fats than trying to eat pounds of meat per day. It's delicious, and try not to stress over it. If you want meat, eat meat. If you want an avocado, eat that too. Your body will give you signals on what it needs.

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on June 06, 2012
at 08:52 PM

I love meat too...seriously...those Brazilian bbqs are my heaven. I think it's delicious!! but i tend to eat it with the fat on it...I was thinking maybe getting the leaner cuts and reducing my fat intake to see if that would help shed some kilos ... also about your body giving you signals...sometimes my body gives me signals to eat ice cream, so I don't think it's always right ;)

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on July 06, 2012
at 05:05 PM

Actually what your saying makes sense. I read articles on the fact that in the first 3 weeks when your body is still adapting to a keto/ fat burning "style" the body also needs more protein (you need extra protein for glucogenesis), but once adapted it's better to lower a bit the protein levels as your body can more easily make ketones(as energy for the brain). Anyway i agree signals are important. As for wanting ice-cream, maybe it's saying "give me fat"?

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on June 06, 2012
at 12:22 PM

I do when I'm specifically trying to lean out fast for no real reason other than something to do. It is in a strong caloric deficit, so as a percentage of total calories protein is high, but in the total amount of grams consumed it doesn't end up being excessive.

I think that if you have some fat on you, the only way to burn fat and the expense of muscle mass is to jack the protein up and keep carbs and fat to a minimum, preferably just ingesting some carbs around workouts. If you constantly keep ingesting fat, your body will burn that fat, and will have no reason to tap into it's own stores. It's also probably better to keep a low fat diet if you have had a history of eating omega 6 oils because you would like to eat up that tissue that's just causing you to become inflamed.

I see no problem with this kind of a diet in the short run. You will of course have to cycle more carbs and fats back into your diet to keep from getting sick, to keep your hormones healthy, and to halt the rapid fat loss.

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on June 06, 2012
at 01:25 PM

THere was study posted on here where participants reversed their diabetes eating like 2 low fat protein shakes a day and 2 servings on non starchy vegetables. That's high protein, low fat, and low carb and it worked extremely well for them. Of course they won;t maintain that deficit for so long, and will probably put on some rebound weight in the short term, but in the long term they'll probably end up leaner and healthier.

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on June 06, 2012
at 01:23 PM

... but yes, I think eating high fat can work when you're already lean, but not when you're trying to get there. It's usually the case that the people who look very lean were already lean and then adopted a higher fat diet.

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on June 06, 2012
at 01:25 PM

Saying "faleo" is limiting yourself way too much.

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on June 06, 2012
at 01:30 PM

Personally I eat 36g starch when in a strict cutting cycle and pretty much no additional fat. When not cutting I add in another 30g carbs around workouts. and add in things like nuts, olive oil, and some fruit, and some dairy products like butter, Greek and sheeps milk yogurt.

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on June 06, 2012
at 01:47 PM

"I just want to lose weight." You will lose weight eating a hypo caloric high fat diet, but your composition will not look significantly improved unless you're taking anabolic steroids to preserve your muscle mass and aid in body recomp.

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on June 06, 2012
at 01:19 PM

I have no idea what works best for you, but this works me. Also the "faleo" concept because it feels bad is not true for me. I feel great eating very low calorie and high protein because del good endorphins kick in. It's not healthy when taken to the extreme, but it is my experience.

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on June 06, 2012
at 01:20 PM

It's only that the downsides are so terrible that prevent me from eating so little calories all the time. That's why I like carb/calorie cycling, so that I can (not) have my cake and (not) eat it too.

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on June 06, 2012
at 01:28 PM

I just want to lose weight, and the highfat paleo did not work for me at all....about two weeks ago I cut the fat...I already look less puffy, and also my cravings to constantly eat have died a bit...I felt like I needed to eat a lot more eating high fat...I feel good on higher protein for sure!

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on June 06, 2012
at 01:32 PM

Some days I definitely eat more carbs/fat though, like if I'm out with people and just want to enjoy myself.

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on June 06, 2012
at 01:01 PM

You know...since I went Paleo following high fat and high protein I put on like 10kg and I thought I was doing the right thing, but it makes more sense that my body is only burning dietary fat rather than my own stores...which is about 40lbs I presume...so if I limit fat intake, and carb intake, my body should be able to use itself for energy? but consume glucose/starch PWO? this could be that n=1 I have been trying to figure out why the high fat paleo gig isn't working for me :S

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on June 06, 2012
at 01:31 PM

Personally I eat 36-46g starch when in a strict cutting cycle and pretty much no additional fat. When not cutting I add in another 30g carbs around workouts. and add in things like some avocado, a few nuts, a little olive oil, and some fruit, and some dairy products like butter, Greek, and sheeps milk yogurt.

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on February 05, 2013
at 03:43 PM

Lean protein without fat is bad for your health. What most people don???t know is that we need fat soluble vitamins (especially vitamin A) to absorb the protein we eat. And guess what? Fat-soluble vitamins are found almost exclusively in animal fats. Lean protein has very little fat, and thus, no fat soluble vitamins. So what happens when you eat exclusively lean protein? Your body will ???withdraw??? fat soluble vitamins stored in your liver in order to absorb the proteins. Over time, this will lead to a deficiency of fat-soluble vitamins, and all of the significant health problems that go along with such a deficiency.

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