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50 g of Protein for Breakfast without Protein Powder?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created June 08, 2011 at 3:52 PM

*"...focus on becoming leptin sensitive by eating 50 grams of protein at breakfast everyday within 30 minutes of rising..."* The Quilt

Since many have been discussing The Quilt's recommendations for overcoming leptin resistance, I would love to hear from anyone who EATS this much protein within 30 minutes of rising. What are you eating? I had 3 eggs and half a strip of bacon this morning which is only 20 g according to Fit Day. That was all I could eat and the amount was too much. I usually eat 2 eggs. I thought about adding a 20 g shake but it just did not sound appetizing.

Does anyone manage to eat this much protein within 30 minutes of rising? If so, would you share what you eat? I have been skipping breakfast for about four months with ease and I thought I might give this a try to see if it would help with losing stubborn fat. Also, how important is the 30 minute requirement? Working out on an empty stomach is more comfortable for me, so I prefer to eat about 2 hours after rising. The large meal and the time constraints might make this protocol too difficult to fit in with my work obligations.

I would like to hear from everyone but would particularly like to hear from people with smaller appetites and females.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

masterjohn and i agree...magic number dependes on telemoere damage...hit me baby one more time...

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on November 05, 2011
at 01:30 PM

I promise you it will. You just have to stick with it. Go look at all the people over at my site or mda who trusted me for ten days.....it becomes easy quick

3a567c1637db69f1455ce35e78201a2c

(1054)

on November 05, 2011
at 01:35 AM

Shepa, Lots of ladies have said the same thing as you about the 50 grams of protein, 30 min within rising...and find after 4-5 days any problems they had disappeared and immediately start to feel much, much better. FWIW

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on November 02, 2011
at 12:53 AM

Quilt- as a public service announcement, I thought you should know that there was an, ummm, interesting thread about you posted tonight. Put your battle gear on! http://paleohacks.com/questions/74180/quilts-ideas-recommendations-and-credibility#axzz1cVMfDGLW

183f5c49a7a9548b6f5238d1f33cb35e

(1716)

on November 01, 2011
at 07:39 PM

And by gum.... it's working! well I'll be..... This Leptin reset thingey ended a 6 month weight loss/body composition stall for me, and my energy levels are so much better. Much more productive at work due to increased mental acuity.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on November 01, 2011
at 04:15 PM

@Ambimorph- I don't think anyone would accuse Quilt of being responsible or logical :)

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on November 01, 2011
at 04:05 PM

Did you even bother to read the question Quilt?

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on November 01, 2011
at 01:18 PM

I understand WHY it is the recommendation and I even get that it works for a lot of people. I'm just saying it doesn't work for me because of the large calorie load first thing in the morning.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on November 01, 2011
at 12:37 PM

WOW, CODY. TRUST ME. I'M INFORMED. I'VE READ IT. WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT IT ~DOES NOT WORK FOR ME~. I AM FORMERLY OBESE AND CANNOT EAT THAT MUCH PROTEIN TO START THE DAY OR I WOULD NOT HAVE ENOUGH CALORIES LEFT FOR THE REST OF THE DAY. YES. I PRESCRIBE TO CALORIES IN/CALORIES OUT. IT IS WHAT WORKS FOR MY BODY. I WISH IT DIDN'T.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 31, 2011
at 09:31 PM

The 50 grams comes from a study on young women (high school or college athletes I think?) All of this stuff is outlined all it takes is a little bit of reading. Are you people all that lazy? jackkruse.com. It's really not all that hard. And anyone voicing an opinion without reading about it has basically invalidated their opinion by being uninformed. But don't let that stop you...

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on September 28, 2011
at 10:57 PM

^^^ a bit late to the party.

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(39821)

on September 28, 2011
at 04:28 PM

That last link is very interesting; thanks for posting it.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on September 28, 2011
at 09:02 AM

@Kamal: you/people should stop with "its biochem" sh@t. Its not like we reversed engineered humans 100%. Don't be naive.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on September 28, 2011
at 08:59 AM

300 g protein per day ? AFAIK anything higher then 200g is toxic.

64c9261eb27ec9d841a5ace87973b907

(70)

on June 27, 2011
at 02:05 PM

I agree, I can't eat 4 eggs I use egg white and spinach! Just a suggestion, and I have to agree with the "quilt" it seems to be the important part to the our weight loss, the 30 min. eating after waking! : )

20c518f9d33b0d04c7a19b8bb7487695

(195)

on June 13, 2011
at 11:23 PM

5oz of beef gives you 50g protein.

D67e7b481854b02110d5a5b21d6789b1

(4111)

on June 10, 2011
at 02:38 PM

thanks for sharing, your question is generally the same as mine. In Quilts Leptin part II on his blog, he has four screening questions that might help you out.

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(5639)

on June 10, 2011
at 02:15 AM

Our diets are very similar...and presumably our schedules!

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18706)

on June 09, 2011
at 08:34 PM

@Jack Kronk, exactly! Quilted blanket statements. @luckybastard "he even cites several studies in his write-up but makes no drastic claims", "neither sound anywhere near certain and lyle even says flat out that the research on leptin signalling isn't to the point" Yes! This is how responsible, logical people express themselves.

D67e7b481854b02110d5a5b21d6789b1

(4111)

on June 09, 2011
at 03:13 PM

@The Quilt: the sentence above from your blog post (which I enjoyed very much, thank you) made me think that you meant to limit carbs below 50g per week for 6-8 weeks. I understand you now to mean to do the entire protocol for 6-8 weeks. But in answering your four leptin status questions, I think I am past that now.

D67e7b481854b02110d5a5b21d6789b1

(4111)

on June 09, 2011
at 03:10 PM

"Her goal is to focus on becoming leptin sensitive by being required by eating 50 grams of protein at breakfast everyday within 30 minutes of rising, eliminating all snacking especially past 730 PM, eating three meals a day, and limiting her carb intake below fifty grams per day for about 6-8 weeks."

D67e7b481854b02110d5a5b21d6789b1

(4111)

on June 09, 2011
at 03:08 PM

Concise, considerate explanation Alex!

D67e7b481854b02110d5a5b21d6789b1

(4111)

on June 09, 2011
at 03:02 PM

keep us posted!

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on June 09, 2011
at 01:32 PM

As long as it works around the nap schedule! :)

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on June 09, 2011
at 11:43 AM

Thanks! Thats about the most awesome compliment a girl coud get.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 09, 2011
at 03:40 AM

akd-- cool new picture! you look like you should be on a duran duran album cover.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 09, 2011
at 03:39 AM

Travis-- one that will not belong to me anymore if this keeps happening.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 09, 2011
at 03:39 AM

also...cool new picture! you look like you should be on a duran duran album cover.

95eda9fa0cec952b482e869c34a566b6

on June 09, 2011
at 03:38 AM

@Kamal: Exactly what sort of job do you have that allows such things to go on? :-))

95eda9fa0cec952b482e869c34a566b6

on June 09, 2011
at 03:34 AM

Stick with what works for you.

95eda9fa0cec952b482e869c34a566b6

on June 09, 2011
at 03:32 AM

@texasleah: To be clear, I don't agree with the premise of the recommendation without crystal clear and incontrovertible evidence. I was just reporting how I sometimes get that much protein in the morning. I've eaten breakfast for years soon after waking up. It's just how I've done things. I'm more likely to skip dinner than I am breakfast.

95eda9fa0cec952b482e869c34a566b6

on June 09, 2011
at 03:29 AM

If you could just man up and chug down that protein before the clock strikes 6:30, you could be a concert violinist in your spare time while singlehandedly solving all of the world's political problems.

95eda9fa0cec952b482e869c34a566b6

on June 09, 2011
at 03:17 AM

Yeah, the guideline doesn't take into account variances in size or many other factors. I'm not sure where the 50 g magically came from. I would imagine this idea requires some evidence to support it. I sometimes eat that much protein in the morning and sometimes not and I think things are working out just fine for me.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on June 09, 2011
at 02:46 AM

Actually, your blog post may have given the context, but it certainly wasn't mentioned here. I went back andchecked. I am no where neAr resistant to new ideas. I just want to understand them before I implement new protocols. And I might not be able to scientifically explain plateus, but I have definitely busted thru a few of them and helped others do it too.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on June 09, 2011
at 12:53 AM

where he can say anything absolutely definitive though he does offer some hypothesis.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on June 09, 2011
at 12:52 AM

martin berkhan- the IF guru who many people around here follow has a pretty different take on leptin than yourself. he even cites several studies in his write-up but makes no drastic claims... http://www.leangains.com/2010/03/intermittent-fasting-set-point-and.html ...lyle mcdonald also has some interesting things to say about leptin and leptin signalling http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/the-hormones-of-bodyweight-regulation-leptin-part-the-last.html ... thing is, neither sound anywhere near certain and lyle even says flat out that the research on leptin signalling isn't to the point

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on June 09, 2011
at 12:47 AM

i got my privileges back! that ones for you, kamal.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 09, 2011
at 12:18 AM

oh my jesus, i just ran out of upvotes too! craziest paleohacks day ever!

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 09, 2011
at 12:11 AM

thanks for making my afternoon everybody!

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 09, 2011
at 12:10 AM

oh boy, i might have just gone too far.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 09, 2011
at 12:09 AM

that's right luckyb....massage resveratrol into your ultra-sensitive CRP nipples first thing in the morning...i will cover this in my post on leptin pleasure rubs...don't ask your doc he won't understand...

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 11:31 PM

Amazing you got it......

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 11:29 PM

Not everyone who eats sad is leptin resistant.....not everyone who is overweight is leptin resistant......it's a biochemical diagnosis caused by acute inflammation control by many variables. If someone is 120 lbs with a vit d of 6 they could be leptin resistant. Body weight is not the only factor in etiology

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 11:27 PM

Sherpa you were. Many others got it. But when your resistant to new thought you may not see it. And it's not going to be for everyone. But I can explain plateaus.....and you can't. That presents a dilemma. I'll put it out there for people to decide. A thought is all it takes

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 11:25 PM

Texas......those who are clearly leptin resistant. Got it yet? If you don't know get tested.....simple

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 11:24 PM

I wrote about your dad in the leptin series, I don't think you caught. But I just re read it and it's there. To get optimal you have to work with leptin,not against it. Short term gains not following leptin sensitivity will wind up in yo yo loss. This is common in every diet because few use leptin as the key

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 11:19 PM

At lucky if you dad does it that way I posted what risk he runs.....weight will come off but his health will not do well long term because the manner in which he is doing it will trash his stem cell supply. If you don't use leptin to right the ship.....she makes you pay in stem cells......good way to get cancer back. You need to follow his hs crp and d levels and see where he is. So many people think just losing weight is beneficial.....it's not if it happens when leptin is still bust. See anorexia

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 11:14 PM

Teaxasleah.....the issue is for those who are leptin resistant with high rT3 and other out of whack markers......plateaus are usually caused by cortisol issues

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 11:13 PM

Alex is correct. I have answered this in the comment section for reader named jac.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 08, 2011
at 11:09 PM

i was already laughing, but "where the rubber hits the road" just KILLED me.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 08, 2011
at 11:08 PM

lololololol .

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on June 08, 2011
at 10:50 PM

i knew someone would come through, kent!

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on June 08, 2011
at 10:29 PM

Hey kamal, massage some resveratrol into your nipples while nibbling on cacao nibs. That's where the rubber hits the road.

07ca188c8dac3a17f629dd87198d2098

(7970)

on June 08, 2011
at 10:12 PM

akd: I got your back ;-)

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on June 08, 2011
at 09:58 PM

it kills me that i cant upvote that. ^^^

D67e7b481854b02110d5a5b21d6789b1

(4111)

on June 08, 2011
at 09:44 PM

egads! there is a maximum? what is the magic number??

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on June 08, 2011
at 09:41 PM

damnit ive run into the maximum upvotes for the day!!

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 08, 2011
at 08:59 PM

Holy smokes, I'm sitting at a dog run with my pitbull, giggling away. Kamal, that's the funniest mini thread I've ever read on this site. Absolutely hilarious. ...plus one... Ugh

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 08, 2011
at 08:25 PM

you got the message...plus one coming your way.....

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on June 08, 2011
at 08:23 PM

OH MY GOD. YES. NIPPLE MESSAGES, HOW I HAVE MISSED THEM. Thank you for the reminder Kamal!

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on June 08, 2011
at 08:22 PM

I like both, Alex. While I have made my nutritional journey, I take both people's experiences and 'book learning' and make my own decision on what to try for myself.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on June 08, 2011
at 08:21 PM

alex, the thing that's led most of us here is what turned out to be a very healthy skepticism. i don't know dr k. i've read his thoughts on here and looked at his blog. let me put this bias of mine out there: unabashed certainty, especially in a field like this raises a red flag for me. with the history of cutting edge ideas in the field of health being later found to be at best ineffective and many times harmful, i would hope that a dr would speak with a bit more care when it comes to matters that haven't even had clinical trials. i applaud you for your choice of profession.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 08, 2011
at 08:20 PM

if work is boring...turn up the furnace of oxidative phosphorylation...play with your partners nipples....my endgame is more nipple play for those i influence or else i haven't done my job

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 08, 2011
at 08:19 PM

if work is boring...turn up the furnace of oxidative phosphorylation...play with your partners nipples....my endgame is more nipple play for those i influence or else i haven't done my job

91219405abedbfd400ce00dea242a00f

(1044)

on June 08, 2011
at 08:15 PM

Do you want me to dig up research citations with dozens of studies that directly go against paleo and are anti-fat consumption? I'm not sure what a citation proves exactly. One minute you're talking about personal experience, the next minute you're asking for citations.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on June 08, 2011
at 08:10 PM

I am not resistant against new ways Alex and neither are most of the people on Paleo Hacks or we wouldn't be here at all. What some of us do like is information that is clear and makes sense, including context or citations when necessary. And yes, we get to decide "when necessary" because we are the readers.

91219405abedbfd400ce00dea242a00f

(1044)

on June 08, 2011
at 08:10 PM

Melissa, I completely agree with you. I think however that dozens (if not more) of patient experiences (as Dr. K has stated) registers as qualified advice with me. I may be a bit biased here as I am also heading into the medical field, and I don't want to feel like I'm putting in all of this time of work and research to have someone basically shoo it off or mock it for little to no reason.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on June 08, 2011
at 08:10 PM

@txlea lmao... you sure will. you can then start the grassfed cattle farm you've always wanted and get your pastured butter sent away for tests on k2 and cla levels... hahahaha

D67e7b481854b02110d5a5b21d6789b1

(4111)

on June 08, 2011
at 08:06 PM

@luckybastard: me too, and I will soon be able to eat 100 grams upon rising because I am going to get fired for being on paleohacks all afternoon and I can then workout at 2pm!

D67e7b481854b02110d5a5b21d6789b1

(4111)

on June 08, 2011
at 08:04 PM

Ya'll are cracking me up!

91219405abedbfd400ce00dea242a00f

(1044)

on June 08, 2011
at 08:04 PM

I understand where you're coming from completely, but even though Dr. K may be a bit forceful or oblique at times, he is exploring a field of dietary nutrition that not many others are embarking upon. And this seems to be met by many people (some with personal grudges, it seems) with fierce indignation instead of fair thought. I wasn't really trying to "white knight" anything or defend anyone, and I'm sorry if you felt that way. It's just I don't understand why many feel the need to be resistant against proposed new ways. After people try it, and we hear their results, we'll know if it works.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on June 08, 2011
at 08:02 PM

im gonna get fired because i'm over here in my office laughing out loud and there's nothing remotely funny about my job...

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on June 08, 2011
at 08:02 PM

Kamal, I am missing Levee #27, my book only has #26 and #28. The magnifying glass is burning me up.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 08, 2011
at 08:00 PM

you're not a nobody!! i appreciate you and your blanket-less statements.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:59 PM

Personally Alex, I always tell people what worked FOR ME or that it is n=1 experimenting. I think most advice needs qualifications, either of who would benefit most or how it should be utilized.

D67e7b481854b02110d5a5b21d6789b1

(4111)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:58 PM

paleohacks without Kamal would just plain suck :)

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:58 PM

@alex. i don't know that he wouldn't have but the fact of the matter is that i had 6 people start on 1/3/11. my parents are the only 2 that fasted. they lost significantly more weight and had better appetite control than the other 4. i didn't make any claims beyond that. dr k is doing very well defending himself. he's made many more blanket statements on this site than i've ever made. maybe you should question some of those more since they're being made by a trained pro. i'm a nobody. just a guy who's had great success with this diet and enjoys helping those around him who ask for his help.

D67e7b481854b02110d5a5b21d6789b1

(4111)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:54 PM

Thank you Alex for your nice comment, and I am not insulted by Quilt's brusque manner. Although I pointed out that text has its limitations in conveying meaning, Quilt's response was that my 'excuse' was not thinking hard enough on how to turn the crockpot on at bedtime.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:54 PM

get your ultra sensitve CRP cheked...report back...ina gadda da vida...

91219405abedbfd400ce00dea242a00f

(1044)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:52 PM

Luckybastard, how do you know your father wouldn't have lost more weight had he eaten breakfast and followed Dr K's plan (or any other one for that matter)? You don't; nobody does. For every person losing 50lbs on paleo, there are probably 20 people losing the same amount eating a low calorie SAD diet/vegan/etc. Blanket statements must be made to get a message across. Don't you think that the Paleo lifestyle itself is kind of a blanket? If you don't think anyone should eat gluten, manufactured oils etc (The basic tenements of paleo) then you are adhering to a blanket statement there as well.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:46 PM

you can make excuses all you want...it's your life...look at levee number 27 and read up on your biochem. your perception is like an ant looking through a magnifying glass...i am the magnifying glass manufacturer.

E91fd339d760ed76cc72570a679ebf5a

(2369)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:38 PM

What about those who are leptin resistant and have LOW cortisol in the morning? Will eating a big serving of protein within 30 min of waking be beneficial for them too?

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:35 PM

I don't think we were given a context to gloss over.

91219405abedbfd400ce00dea242a00f

(1044)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:34 PM

Leah, I don't think you should have taken offense to "using a thought". Dr. K wasn't insulting you. He is a proponent of the idea that we can change our DNA for the better by thinking. It wasn't an insult.

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:33 PM

oh god im not going to "go off" on anyone! i think ive been good about not engaging until now. today has been a particularly difficult one here. being the daughter of a narcissistic father, i have issues with counter-transference. ill just leave it at that and slowly......disappear..... ;)

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:28 PM

@kamal. hilarious.

D67e7b481854b02110d5a5b21d6789b1

(4111)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:24 PM

Ok, so in context you mean "eat 50 g of protein within 30 minutes of waking" only for those who are newly off of SAD, not keto adapted and have appetite all day long?

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:22 PM

Uh oh, I don't want to see the storm that brews if akd goes off. Introducing...The Armenian Nightmare! Ostrich, I'm joining you on the sidelines now. The summer weather is too warm for Comforters, Blankets, and the like.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:18 PM

i think needs to be flushed out with more than one small study of a very specific group...

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:18 PM

let me be clear about the health of my father when i had him go paleo. cancer survivor, 2 high blood pressure meds and a statin. oh and he weighed 350+. i don't know what the rT3, crp's or whatever other measures were but he was a sick man who needed a major intervention. paleo regimen with intermittent fasting- no breakfast on most days and many days one big meal day. lost 30 lbs the first month and came off all meds in 3 months. he's still steadily sheddign weight and still rarely eats breakfast. what i'm trying to say to you is that you made a blanket statement about overweight paleos that

D67e7b481854b02110d5a5b21d6789b1

(4111)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:17 PM

The food prep (cook the night before) is not the issue, the issue is the time to get the appetite ready to ingest a 50 g of protein meal, work out and get to my job by 8AM. If I want to experiment with Quilt's protocol I would have to work out in the evening.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:15 PM

no one is studying leptin reversal because their is no published data how to do it! The science is worked completely out! I apply it daily. You complain you get no help from my profession and I rollout how I do it.....and you still complain. dude....please I am so glad I dont have to deal with that thinking process daily. You keep paying your co pays for CW advice. But I am not going to change what I am doing because you need a RCT. Do you need a RCT to see what we should do for a potassium of 3.1? Biochemistry is biochemistry.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:12 PM

its done in those who begin leptin resistant.....we are not talking about people who are already leptin sensitive. Some of you seem to have lost reading comprehension skills. Annie got it. If your already fit you have completed levee two goals. These recs are for those who still have rT3 up and high CRPs and low D levels and elevated cortisols. Jesus.....Im amazed some time.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:08 PM

they all gloss over context.......plus one.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:08 PM

@annie i'm posting this from a comment i made earlier... my n=2 being that when i put my parents on a paleo diet back at the beginning of the year, they also started a monthlong 1 meal/day 3 day a week fast with their church. 2 things happened: 1)their weight loss was significantly more than the others i put on a paleo protocol and 2) their control over tehir appetite was also much better than the others. my dad weighed 350(down to 280 in 5.5 mos) and my mom won't reveal her weight but she's dropped 40+ lbs. both of them currently fast once a week now.

D67e7b481854b02110d5a5b21d6789b1

(4111)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:08 PM

@The Quilt: "Use a thought to better your DNA?" Asking a question to determine if there are acceptable ranges for males/females and time issues IS "using a thought". You might try "using a thought" that text limitations might not convey someone's determination or intelligence. If 'within 30 mins of rising' is an absolute then adjusting my workout schedule is a possible solution to consider and definitely not an excuse.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:05 PM

the timing is a rough guideline. The point is you want to lower that cortisol spike in the AM that arouses you from sleep. Protein is the best way. Fat is second best and carbs will kill you.

6670b38baf0aae7f4d8ac2463ddc37c0

(3946)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:00 PM

Dr. K did mention the overweight. I wonder if keto adapted are different? I am not overweight and I do VLC. Not hungry until the afternoon most days.

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on June 08, 2011
at 06:49 PM

queue the part where i get told that i dont know what im talking about.....

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on June 08, 2011
at 06:43 PM

Just call me The Ostrich, I shall live with my head in the sand regarding my leptin sensitivity, while enjoying my 111 lb weight loss and smokin new body. ;)

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on June 08, 2011
at 06:40 PM

kamal, the only option at this point is disengagement. unless you have the restraint and willpower of my dear melissa here, which i do not. my mediterranean temperament very well might override my tongue if i get involved. im glad melissa is a grownup, because im sure not.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on June 08, 2011
at 06:39 PM

isnt' a scientific test but it's interesting nonetheless, just like your single study of that specific group.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on June 08, 2011
at 06:39 PM

im not interested in pissing either. i guess what i'm saying is that if a blanket recommendation is made, it seems logical that there should be more than one study of one very specific group to back up the claim. i could easily point out my n=2 being that when i put my parents on a paleo diet back at the beginning of the year, they also started a monthlong 1 meal/day 3 day a week fast with their church. 2 things happened: 1)their weight loss was significantly more than the others i put on a paleo protocol and 2) their control over tehir appetite was also much better than the others. no this

Aebee51dc2b93b209980a89fa4a70c1e

(1982)

on June 08, 2011
at 06:38 PM

No way I could eat the way some have listed here, first thing in the morning. Well, I could eat it *maybe*, but I wouldn't keep it down.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 08, 2011
at 06:32 PM

If you can somehow ignore the fact that you are destroying your leptin sensitivity by not eating within 30 minutes of eating, you might, possibly, still be able to lead a healthy and fulfilling life. Be sure to tell Martin Berkhan and friends at leangains that they could lose some weight if they stop their intermittent fasting. Especially the ones who were overweight and surely leptin resistent before starting IFing. I hate myself for being so sarcastic, but what tools are left to use when logic and precision fail? Melissa, you might have to give me some instructions on maintaining civility.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 06:27 PM

Lucky I think there are many ways to skin this cat......my point is this......fat causes inflammation and inflammation kills you. My job is to keep you healthy and this works. I am not going to get in a pissing contest over how and what......I am about the WHY. Way more important to my goal and my patients goals. It gets to the core issues of how to get people to change.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 06:24 PM

Yes JAck I do.....when I know the biochemistry effect is true.....i see hundreds of patients it works on over the last five yrs and then I see a fMRI study that backs it up.....I dont need the level of causation that a researcher does......i am a doctor who has a duty to marry the best of what science knows now with clinical medicine....and I do. Hence you get my blanket quilted statement. No apologies either.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on June 08, 2011
at 05:59 PM

by the way, i usually don't eat anything til at least 11am. i used to be a big breakfast eater. all protein- between 60-80g. i'm much leaner waiting til 11 or noon to eat. no hunger issues either. i've found that being keto-adapted is much more important for dealing with hunger than a huge breakfast. the confounding factor that hasn't even been raised is, were these girls on a SAD diet?

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on June 08, 2011
at 05:54 PM

where does someone's like martin berkhan's leangains protocol fit in. i know most of his adherents don't eat til 11am or noon and they seem to lean out rather nicely on that protocol?

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 08, 2011
at 05:41 PM

That's a nice story Doc. Really, it is. But do you think it warrants a blanket recommendation regarding something this important. Teenage girls? I mean... good for them, but I usually like to see more than just this before coming to a conclusion. I'm sure you have more that contributed to your conclusion, so I don't mean to dash the whole concept, but personally, I usually do not desire anything at all within 30 minutes or rising, and I've been that way every day for as long as I can remember. Plus, is meat and eggs the only solution? 7 days a week?

95eda9fa0cec952b482e869c34a566b6

on June 08, 2011
at 05:24 PM

I sometimes eat an 8 ounce top sirloin for breakfast. That easily exceeds 50 grams of protein. I often cook extra steaks at night, so they're ready to go in the morning. I don't know whether or not I meet the 30 minute requirement exactly every time, but I usually eat not too long after rising.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 04:33 PM

you make a work excuse....here is what i tell my patients.....before bed throw in a huge slab of grass fed meat and left over veggies and organic beefstock in the crock pot.....at 8PM Set for ten hours. You got substrate for breakfast and your eggs. Leverage sleep. Use a thought to better your DNA. It is not that hard.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 04:31 PM

4 eggs to anything easily makes this. Why do people make things harder than they really are? plus one dude.

D67e7b481854b02110d5a5b21d6789b1

(4111)

on June 08, 2011
at 04:25 PM

I'm with you wheelhouse, but the 15 yo son got to it before I did :) he kindly left me half a piece since he had been mowing grass!

Fe535c4994ac6176f76e1ff6d29eb08a

(4286)

on June 08, 2011
at 04:16 PM

Wow, I couldnt hold myself to half a strip of bacon if I tried! :)

6670b38baf0aae7f4d8ac2463ddc37c0

(3946)

on June 08, 2011
at 04:13 PM

Thanks for the question. And I am wondering if the 50 grams applies equally to males and females. I, too, skip breakfast most days (not hungry) and I am wondering if I should force myself to eat.

D67e7b481854b02110d5a5b21d6789b1

(4111)

on June 08, 2011
at 04:12 PM

Bravo! Do you scramble the eggs and mix with the salmon? Or eat separately? Maybe I could do half a can and two eggs cooked together...

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11
91219405abedbfd400ce00dea242a00f

(1044)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:41 PM

I think the point many are missing is that the leptin re-sensitization meal plan (whether it actually works or not, I have no idea) is for people who are Leptin-insensitive. It is meant to be followed for 6-8 weeks (I believe) only. Normal paleo eating can resume after this time period. It is not intended for those who are leptin-sensitive.

D67e7b481854b02110d5a5b21d6789b1

(4111)

on June 09, 2011
at 03:08 PM

Concise, considerate explanation Alex!

D67e7b481854b02110d5a5b21d6789b1

(4111)

on June 09, 2011
at 03:13 PM

@The Quilt: the sentence above from your blog post (which I enjoyed very much, thank you) made me think that you meant to limit carbs below 50g per week for 6-8 weeks. I understand you now to mean to do the entire protocol for 6-8 weeks. But in answering your four leptin status questions, I think I am past that now.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 11:31 PM

Amazing you got it......

D67e7b481854b02110d5a5b21d6789b1

(4111)

on June 09, 2011
at 03:10 PM

"Her goal is to focus on becoming leptin sensitive by being required by eating 50 grams of protein at breakfast everyday within 30 minutes of rising, eliminating all snacking especially past 730 PM, eating three meals a day, and limiting her carb intake below fifty grams per day for about 6-8 weeks."

10
7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

on June 08, 2011
at 05:42 PM

I absolutely do not ever do this and really couldn't with where I keep my calories per day to keep from gaining weight.

I prep all my food, so time is not an issue. From my own n=1 experiments, I know higher protein works for me, but I need to spread my meals throughout the day. When I do IF, skipping breakfast is much easier than skipping lunch. I cannot eat and then workout, at all, so if I tried to eat 30 mins after waking I wouldn't be able to workout either.

It may be that I am permanently causing leptin problems, but mentally I know I could not accomplish this goal. I might be able to pull off 30 grams within an hour of waking. Maybe as a smaller female with lower calorie requirements this would work?

Edit - For new users. I am 40 years old and formerly obese. I have to watch my calories closely. I know a lot of you believe that if I just ate the "RIGHT" combination of Paleo foods that I would not have to pay attention to calories and trust me, I wish that were true, but it is not. I prefer not to be attacked as not doing the research or not knowing what I was talking about because what my body does is different than what your body does. It's disenheartening to log on and find attacks on questions that are months old. DO YOUR RESEARCH, PLEASE. LOOK AT MY PAST QUESTIONS/ANSWERS BEFORE YOU ASSUME I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. Thanks.

Aebee51dc2b93b209980a89fa4a70c1e

(1982)

on June 08, 2011
at 06:38 PM

No way I could eat the way some have listed here, first thing in the morning. Well, I could eat it *maybe*, but I wouldn't keep it down.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:28 PM

@kamal. hilarious.

95eda9fa0cec952b482e869c34a566b6

on June 09, 2011
at 03:17 AM

Yeah, the guideline doesn't take into account variances in size or many other factors. I'm not sure where the 50 g magically came from. I would imagine this idea requires some evidence to support it. I sometimes eat that much protein in the morning and sometimes not and I think things are working out just fine for me.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:22 PM

Uh oh, I don't want to see the storm that brews if akd goes off. Introducing...The Armenian Nightmare! Ostrich, I'm joining you on the sidelines now. The summer weather is too warm for Comforters, Blankets, and the like.

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:33 PM

oh god im not going to "go off" on anyone! i think ive been good about not engaging until now. today has been a particularly difficult one here. being the daughter of a narcissistic father, i have issues with counter-transference. ill just leave it at that and slowly......disappear..... ;)

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 08, 2011
at 08:19 PM

if work is boring...turn up the furnace of oxidative phosphorylation...play with your partners nipples....my endgame is more nipple play for those i influence or else i haven't done my job

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 08, 2011
at 06:32 PM

If you can somehow ignore the fact that you are destroying your leptin sensitivity by not eating within 30 minutes of eating, you might, possibly, still be able to lead a healthy and fulfilling life. Be sure to tell Martin Berkhan and friends at leangains that they could lose some weight if they stop their intermittent fasting. Especially the ones who were overweight and surely leptin resistent before starting IFing. I hate myself for being so sarcastic, but what tools are left to use when logic and precision fail? Melissa, you might have to give me some instructions on maintaining civility.

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on June 08, 2011
at 06:40 PM

kamal, the only option at this point is disengagement. unless you have the restraint and willpower of my dear melissa here, which i do not. my mediterranean temperament very well might override my tongue if i get involved. im glad melissa is a grownup, because im sure not.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on June 08, 2011
at 06:43 PM

Just call me The Ostrich, I shall live with my head in the sand regarding my leptin sensitivity, while enjoying my 111 lb weight loss and smokin new body. ;)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 31, 2011
at 09:31 PM

The 50 grams comes from a study on young women (high school or college athletes I think?) All of this stuff is outlined all it takes is a little bit of reading. Are you people all that lazy? jackkruse.com. It's really not all that hard. And anyone voicing an opinion without reading about it has basically invalidated their opinion by being uninformed. But don't let that stop you...

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on November 01, 2011
at 12:37 PM

WOW, CODY. TRUST ME. I'M INFORMED. I'VE READ IT. WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT IT ~DOES NOT WORK FOR ME~. I AM FORMERLY OBESE AND CANNOT EAT THAT MUCH PROTEIN TO START THE DAY OR I WOULD NOT HAVE ENOUGH CALORIES LEFT FOR THE REST OF THE DAY. YES. I PRESCRIBE TO CALORIES IN/CALORIES OUT. IT IS WHAT WORKS FOR MY BODY. I WISH IT DIDN'T.

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Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on June 08, 2011
at 06:49 PM

i dont know that i could eat 50g in one sitting, let alone wile my feet are still under the covers. my appetite is small, and protein fills me up fast. it would be a brick sitting in my stomach and there is no way i would be able to exercise at all. i have always preferred to exercise on an empty stomach, particularly cardio and yoga. seriously, just thinking about it makes me feel like i want to vomit. which is exactly what i would likely do. i want to lose another 35 pounds, but the idea of eating anything first thing in the morning, let alone a big hunk of cold leftover steak, half a dozen eggs and four cans of tuna or whatever really makes me sick.

ive already lost 33 pounds or so breaking my fast around 11am or so, so im going to stick with what works for me.

07ca188c8dac3a17f629dd87198d2098

(7970)

on June 08, 2011
at 10:12 PM

akd: I got your back ;-)

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 09, 2011
at 12:11 AM

thanks for making my afternoon everybody!

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 08, 2011
at 08:25 PM

you got the message...plus one coming your way.....

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on June 08, 2011
at 09:58 PM

it kills me that i cant upvote that. ^^^

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on June 08, 2011
at 08:23 PM

OH MY GOD. YES. NIPPLE MESSAGES, HOW I HAVE MISSED THEM. Thank you for the reminder Kamal!

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on June 08, 2011
at 10:50 PM

i knew someone would come through, kent!

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 08, 2011
at 11:09 PM

i was already laughing, but "where the rubber hits the road" just KILLED me.

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on June 08, 2011
at 06:49 PM

queue the part where i get told that i dont know what im talking about.....

D67e7b481854b02110d5a5b21d6789b1

(4111)

on June 08, 2011
at 08:04 PM

Ya'll are cracking me up!

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:46 PM

you can make excuses all you want...it's your life...look at levee number 27 and read up on your biochem. your perception is like an ant looking through a magnifying glass...i am the magnifying glass manufacturer.

D67e7b481854b02110d5a5b21d6789b1

(4111)

on June 08, 2011
at 09:44 PM

egads! there is a maximum? what is the magic number??

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on June 08, 2011
at 08:10 PM

@txlea lmao... you sure will. you can then start the grassfed cattle farm you've always wanted and get your pastured butter sent away for tests on k2 and cla levels... hahahaha

95eda9fa0cec952b482e869c34a566b6

on June 09, 2011
at 03:34 AM

Stick with what works for you.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 08, 2011
at 08:20 PM

if work is boring...turn up the furnace of oxidative phosphorylation...play with your partners nipples....my endgame is more nipple play for those i influence or else i haven't done my job

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

masterjohn and i agree...magic number dependes on telemoere damage...hit me baby one more time...

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:54 PM

get your ultra sensitve CRP cheked...report back...ina gadda da vida...

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on June 08, 2011
at 08:02 PM

im gonna get fired because i'm over here in my office laughing out loud and there's nothing remotely funny about my job...

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on June 08, 2011
at 09:41 PM

damnit ive run into the maximum upvotes for the day!!

D67e7b481854b02110d5a5b21d6789b1

(4111)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:58 PM

paleohacks without Kamal would just plain suck :)

D67e7b481854b02110d5a5b21d6789b1

(4111)

on June 08, 2011
at 08:06 PM

@luckybastard: me too, and I will soon be able to eat 100 grams upon rising because I am going to get fired for being on paleohacks all afternoon and I can then workout at 2pm!

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 08, 2011
at 08:59 PM

Holy smokes, I'm sitting at a dog run with my pitbull, giggling away. Kamal, that's the funniest mini thread I've ever read on this site. Absolutely hilarious. ...plus one... Ugh

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on June 08, 2011
at 08:02 PM

Kamal, I am missing Levee #27, my book only has #26 and #28. The magnifying glass is burning me up.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 08, 2011
at 11:08 PM

lololololol .

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 09, 2011
at 03:39 AM

also...cool new picture! you look like you should be on a duran duran album cover.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 09, 2011
at 03:39 AM

Travis-- one that will not belong to me anymore if this keeps happening.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 09, 2011
at 03:40 AM

akd-- cool new picture! you look like you should be on a duran duran album cover.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on June 08, 2011
at 10:29 PM

Hey kamal, massage some resveratrol into your nipples while nibbling on cacao nibs. That's where the rubber hits the road.

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on June 09, 2011
at 12:47 AM

i got my privileges back! that ones for you, kamal.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 09, 2011
at 12:09 AM

that's right luckyb....massage resveratrol into your ultra-sensitive CRP nipples first thing in the morning...i will cover this in my post on leptin pleasure rubs...don't ask your doc he won't understand...

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 09, 2011
at 12:18 AM

oh my jesus, i just ran out of upvotes too! craziest paleohacks day ever!

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 09, 2011
at 12:10 AM

oh boy, i might have just gone too far.

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on June 09, 2011
at 11:43 AM

Thanks! Thats about the most awesome compliment a girl coud get.

95eda9fa0cec952b482e869c34a566b6

on June 09, 2011
at 03:38 AM

@Kamal: Exactly what sort of job do you have that allows such things to go on? :-))

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on September 28, 2011
at 09:02 AM

@Kamal: you/people should stop with "its biochem" sh@t. Its not like we reversed engineered humans 100%. Don't be naive.

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on September 28, 2011
at 10:57 PM

^^^ a bit late to the party.

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1baee29895c245c3d24bf6421ee4a9f7

(225)

on June 08, 2011
at 04:07 PM

4 eggs + 1 can of red salmon + onions = heaven and closer to 70g.

D67e7b481854b02110d5a5b21d6789b1

(4111)

on June 08, 2011
at 04:12 PM

Bravo! Do you scramble the eggs and mix with the salmon? Or eat separately? Maybe I could do half a can and two eggs cooked together...

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 04:31 PM

4 eggs to anything easily makes this. Why do people make things harder than they really are? plus one dude.

64c9261eb27ec9d841a5ace87973b907

(70)

on June 27, 2011
at 02:05 PM

I agree, I can't eat 4 eggs I use egg white and spinach! Just a suggestion, and I have to agree with the "quilt" it seems to be the important part to the our weight loss, the 30 min. eating after waking! : )

5
Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 05:17 PM

here is the answer i posted to Jac in the comments.....I think it lays out why I believe what I believe.

"For most overweight paleo???s I want them loading up for breakfast. 50-75 gms is routine. Four egg omelettes with a serious side of bacon is how I roll my breakfast. On surgery days I make a killer coconut smoothie with raw eggs and coconut milk and heavy cream. You will never be hungry if you eat a breakfast like this. the biochemistry behind this recommendation is why??????very detailed but I will post it at some point if people are interested."

"The reason I advocate this Jac is that recent study out of the University of Missouri was done with teenage girls and protein in the morning. They used functional MRI to validate the work which is a first. The results confirm what I always knew from biochemistry. Eating protein as soon as you rise control hunger and lowers AM cortisol very quickly. Both huge factors for health. If your not hungry you wont over eat and get fat and develop the inflammation that causes disease. Cortisol effect is huge too. Be sure to read my Hormone 101 blog of why it is critical to keep your cortisol low. The girls ate no breakfast, 18 grams of protein and 50 grams of protein. Then they showed the girls a picture of food before lunch. The low protein girls (no protein and 18 grams groups) hypothalamus lit up like crazy on the functional MRI while those who ate 50 grams of protein functional MRI had no areas light up. questionaires also were used with the girls and the low protein girls all were hungry while the girls who ate 50 grams of protein were not. This proves the biochemistry on a neuro-anatomic level. That is why I tell people to eat a ton of protein at breakfast"

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on June 08, 2011
at 06:39 PM

isnt' a scientific test but it's interesting nonetheless, just like your single study of that specific group.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:59 PM

Personally Alex, I always tell people what worked FOR ME or that it is n=1 experimenting. I think most advice needs qualifications, either of who would benefit most or how it should be utilized.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 11:24 PM

I wrote about your dad in the leptin series, I don't think you caught. But I just re read it and it's there. To get optimal you have to work with leptin,not against it. Short term gains not following leptin sensitivity will wind up in yo yo loss. This is common in every diet because few use leptin as the key

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:18 PM

i think needs to be flushed out with more than one small study of a very specific group...

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 08, 2011
at 08:00 PM

you're not a nobody!! i appreciate you and your blanket-less statements.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on June 08, 2011
at 05:59 PM

by the way, i usually don't eat anything til at least 11am. i used to be a big breakfast eater. all protein- between 60-80g. i'm much leaner waiting til 11 or noon to eat. no hunger issues either. i've found that being keto-adapted is much more important for dealing with hunger than a huge breakfast. the confounding factor that hasn't even been raised is, were these girls on a SAD diet?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 06:27 PM

Lucky I think there are many ways to skin this cat......my point is this......fat causes inflammation and inflammation kills you. My job is to keep you healthy and this works. I am not going to get in a pissing contest over how and what......I am about the WHY. Way more important to my goal and my patients goals. It gets to the core issues of how to get people to change.

91219405abedbfd400ce00dea242a00f

(1044)

on June 08, 2011
at 08:10 PM

Melissa, I completely agree with you. I think however that dozens (if not more) of patient experiences (as Dr. K has stated) registers as qualified advice with me. I may be a bit biased here as I am also heading into the medical field, and I don't want to feel like I'm putting in all of this time of work and research to have someone basically shoo it off or mock it for little to no reason.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on June 09, 2011
at 12:53 AM

where he can say anything absolutely definitive though he does offer some hypothesis.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:12 PM

its done in those who begin leptin resistant.....we are not talking about people who are already leptin sensitive. Some of you seem to have lost reading comprehension skills. Annie got it. If your already fit you have completed levee two goals. These recs are for those who still have rT3 up and high CRPs and low D levels and elevated cortisols. Jesus.....Im amazed some time.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:58 PM

@alex. i don't know that he wouldn't have but the fact of the matter is that i had 6 people start on 1/3/11. my parents are the only 2 that fasted. they lost significantly more weight and had better appetite control than the other 4. i didn't make any claims beyond that. dr k is doing very well defending himself. he's made many more blanket statements on this site than i've ever made. maybe you should question some of those more since they're being made by a trained pro. i'm a nobody. just a guy who's had great success with this diet and enjoys helping those around him who ask for his help.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on June 08, 2011
at 05:54 PM

where does someone's like martin berkhan's leangains protocol fit in. i know most of his adherents don't eat til 11am or noon and they seem to lean out rather nicely on that protocol?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 11:19 PM

At lucky if you dad does it that way I posted what risk he runs.....weight will come off but his health will not do well long term because the manner in which he is doing it will trash his stem cell supply. If you don't use leptin to right the ship.....she makes you pay in stem cells......good way to get cancer back. You need to follow his hs crp and d levels and see where he is. So many people think just losing weight is beneficial.....it's not if it happens when leptin is still bust. See anorexia

91219405abedbfd400ce00dea242a00f

(1044)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:52 PM

Luckybastard, how do you know your father wouldn't have lost more weight had he eaten breakfast and followed Dr K's plan (or any other one for that matter)? You don't; nobody does. For every person losing 50lbs on paleo, there are probably 20 people losing the same amount eating a low calorie SAD diet/vegan/etc. Blanket statements must be made to get a message across. Don't you think that the Paleo lifestyle itself is kind of a blanket? If you don't think anyone should eat gluten, manufactured oils etc (The basic tenements of paleo) then you are adhering to a blanket statement there as well.

91219405abedbfd400ce00dea242a00f

(1044)

on June 08, 2011
at 08:15 PM

Do you want me to dig up research citations with dozens of studies that directly go against paleo and are anti-fat consumption? I'm not sure what a citation proves exactly. One minute you're talking about personal experience, the next minute you're asking for citations.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on June 08, 2011
at 06:39 PM

im not interested in pissing either. i guess what i'm saying is that if a blanket recommendation is made, it seems logical that there should be more than one study of one very specific group to back up the claim. i could easily point out my n=2 being that when i put my parents on a paleo diet back at the beginning of the year, they also started a monthlong 1 meal/day 3 day a week fast with their church. 2 things happened: 1)their weight loss was significantly more than the others i put on a paleo protocol and 2) their control over tehir appetite was also much better than the others. no this

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18706)

on June 09, 2011
at 08:34 PM

@Jack Kronk, exactly! Quilted blanket statements. @luckybastard "he even cites several studies in his write-up but makes no drastic claims", "neither sound anywhere near certain and lyle even says flat out that the research on leptin signalling isn't to the point" Yes! This is how responsible, logical people express themselves.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 06:24 PM

Yes JAck I do.....when I know the biochemistry effect is true.....i see hundreds of patients it works on over the last five yrs and then I see a fMRI study that backs it up.....I dont need the level of causation that a researcher does......i am a doctor who has a duty to marry the best of what science knows now with clinical medicine....and I do. Hence you get my blanket quilted statement. No apologies either.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on June 08, 2011
at 08:21 PM

alex, the thing that's led most of us here is what turned out to be a very healthy skepticism. i don't know dr k. i've read his thoughts on here and looked at his blog. let me put this bias of mine out there: unabashed certainty, especially in a field like this raises a red flag for me. with the history of cutting edge ideas in the field of health being later found to be at best ineffective and many times harmful, i would hope that a dr would speak with a bit more care when it comes to matters that haven't even had clinical trials. i applaud you for your choice of profession.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 08, 2011
at 05:41 PM

That's a nice story Doc. Really, it is. But do you think it warrants a blanket recommendation regarding something this important. Teenage girls? I mean... good for them, but I usually like to see more than just this before coming to a conclusion. I'm sure you have more that contributed to your conclusion, so I don't mean to dash the whole concept, but personally, I usually do not desire anything at all within 30 minutes or rising, and I've been that way every day for as long as I can remember. Plus, is meat and eggs the only solution? 7 days a week?

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:18 PM

let me be clear about the health of my father when i had him go paleo. cancer survivor, 2 high blood pressure meds and a statin. oh and he weighed 350+. i don't know what the rT3, crp's or whatever other measures were but he was a sick man who needed a major intervention. paleo regimen with intermittent fasting- no breakfast on most days and many days one big meal day. lost 30 lbs the first month and came off all meds in 3 months. he's still steadily sheddign weight and still rarely eats breakfast. what i'm trying to say to you is that you made a blanket statement about overweight paleos that

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on June 08, 2011
at 08:22 PM

I like both, Alex. While I have made my nutritional journey, I take both people's experiences and 'book learning' and make my own decision on what to try for myself.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:15 PM

no one is studying leptin reversal because their is no published data how to do it! The science is worked completely out! I apply it daily. You complain you get no help from my profession and I rollout how I do it.....and you still complain. dude....please I am so glad I dont have to deal with that thinking process daily. You keep paying your co pays for CW advice. But I am not going to change what I am doing because you need a RCT. Do you need a RCT to see what we should do for a potassium of 3.1? Biochemistry is biochemistry.

91219405abedbfd400ce00dea242a00f

(1044)

on June 08, 2011
at 08:04 PM

I understand where you're coming from completely, but even though Dr. K may be a bit forceful or oblique at times, he is exploring a field of dietary nutrition that not many others are embarking upon. And this seems to be met by many people (some with personal grudges, it seems) with fierce indignation instead of fair thought. I wasn't really trying to "white knight" anything or defend anyone, and I'm sorry if you felt that way. It's just I don't understand why many feel the need to be resistant against proposed new ways. After people try it, and we hear their results, we'll know if it works.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on June 08, 2011
at 08:10 PM

I am not resistant against new ways Alex and neither are most of the people on Paleo Hacks or we wouldn't be here at all. What some of us do like is information that is clear and makes sense, including context or citations when necessary. And yes, we get to decide "when necessary" because we are the readers.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on June 09, 2011
at 12:52 AM

martin berkhan- the IF guru who many people around here follow has a pretty different take on leptin than yourself. he even cites several studies in his write-up but makes no drastic claims... http://www.leangains.com/2010/03/intermittent-fasting-set-point-and.html ...lyle mcdonald also has some interesting things to say about leptin and leptin signalling http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/the-hormones-of-bodyweight-regulation-leptin-part-the-last.html ... thing is, neither sound anywhere near certain and lyle even says flat out that the research on leptin signalling isn't to the point

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on November 01, 2011
at 04:15 PM

@Ambimorph- I don't think anyone would accuse Quilt of being responsible or logical :)

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66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

on June 08, 2011
at 06:16 PM

broke my fast at 11:30(woke up at 6am) with a lb of ground beef mixed in with some cabbage. no hunger. i think the distinction needs to be made between someone on a SAD being hungry and overeating as opposed to one on a paleo diet who is keto-adapted. i fast 24 hours at will with no problems and i know of many other paleos who have the same testimony. i've read enough studies and commentary over at martin berkhan's site to not really worry about muscle catabolism because of eating in a 6-8 hour window. in fact, i look at my ability to fast as a good indicator of where i am metabolically at the moment- i take it to mean that i'm pretty efficient at switching over between the glycolytic and ketogenic pathways.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:08 PM

@annie i'm posting this from a comment i made earlier... my n=2 being that when i put my parents on a paleo diet back at the beginning of the year, they also started a monthlong 1 meal/day 3 day a week fast with their church. 2 things happened: 1)their weight loss was significantly more than the others i put on a paleo protocol and 2) their control over tehir appetite was also much better than the others. my dad weighed 350(down to 280 in 5.5 mos) and my mom won't reveal her weight but she's dropped 40+ lbs. both of them currently fast once a week now.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:08 PM

they all gloss over context.......plus one.

6670b38baf0aae7f4d8ac2463ddc37c0

(3946)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:00 PM

Dr. K did mention the overweight. I wonder if keto adapted are different? I am not overweight and I do VLC. Not hungry until the afternoon most days.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 11:27 PM

Sherpa you were. Many others got it. But when your resistant to new thought you may not see it. And it's not going to be for everyone. But I can explain plateaus.....and you can't. That presents a dilemma. I'll put it out there for people to decide. A thought is all it takes

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:35 PM

I don't think we were given a context to gloss over.

D67e7b481854b02110d5a5b21d6789b1

(4111)

on June 08, 2011
at 07:24 PM

Ok, so in context you mean "eat 50 g of protein within 30 minutes of waking" only for those who are newly off of SAD, not keto adapted and have appetite all day long?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 11:25 PM

Texas......those who are clearly leptin resistant. Got it yet? If you don't know get tested.....simple

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 08, 2011
at 11:29 PM

Not everyone who eats sad is leptin resistant.....not everyone who is overweight is leptin resistant......it's a biochemical diagnosis caused by acute inflammation control by many variables. If someone is 120 lbs with a vit d of 6 they could be leptin resistant. Body weight is not the only factor in etiology

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on June 09, 2011
at 02:46 AM

Actually, your blog post may have given the context, but it certainly wasn't mentioned here. I went back andchecked. I am no where neAr resistant to new ideas. I just want to understand them before I implement new protocols. And I might not be able to scientifically explain plateus, but I have definitely busted thru a few of them and helped others do it too.

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07ca188c8dac3a17f629dd87198d2098

(7970)

on June 08, 2011
at 06:07 PM

I just broke my fast with nearly 100g of protein from eating 12 of my delicious homemade meatballs, leftover from last night. It was quite easy - I've been up since 6:00 and didn't eat anything. Then for 'breakfast' (at about 12:30) I started out with some tabata burpees and kettlebell swings. I was ravenous after that, so down the hatch they went.

Oops, looks like I forgot to eat :30 after waking.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on June 09, 2011
at 01:32 PM

As long as it works around the nap schedule! :)

95eda9fa0cec952b482e869c34a566b6

on June 09, 2011
at 03:29 AM

If you could just man up and chug down that protein before the clock strikes 6:30, you could be a concert violinist in your spare time while singlehandedly solving all of the world's political problems.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on September 28, 2011
at 08:37 AM

The point is you want to lower that cortisol spike in the AM that arouses you from sleep. Protein is the best way. Fat is second best and carbs will kill you. [Quilt]

Normal levels of cortisol are good in the morrning. It energises you and thats how body works. Unless you have oversecreation, you wont achieve your goals. When I used 50g of protein per breakfast, I could indeed stay longer satisfied but that was not the case every day, some days I would get hungry at 10 AM despite the fact that I stuffed very big meal in the morning, but even if it was longer not that much longer [maybe 2 hours more]. I find that it was easier to skip meal to be honest, but maybe I was boosting myself. At the moment, I eat 5 quail raw eggs for breakfast [which equals to at most 2 hen eggs by size] with 4 brazil nuts and that works better for me. For some reason, I even continued to loose weight. I eat normal paleo lunch at 12 then paleo dinner at 6 then ice cream at 21. Not to mention that i frequently eat starch like potatoes.

I think that unless you are really f*cked up, you don't need to go that high with protein in the morning. Quilt says in hormones 101 that "Once [adipocytes] get high enough (around a Body Mass Index (BMI) of 20-24),(TNF) rises in several tissues. TNF quickly destroys normal hepatic homeostasis." Now, I had BMI ~ 27 almost whole my life and there is meta study claiming that this BMI is most protective when longevity is in question. My liver shows no sign of fat deposits in it. BMI less then 20 is very low for man, and most of all, BMI is stupid maker, you can have harder bones or more muscle. I find the article great otherwise, because everything makes sense and sentence "anytime the body is stressed or inflamed, it up-regulates cholesterol production to make more lifesaving hormones... blocking cholesterol???s production will increase cellular stress." which is very hard to explain to people... I also think that you missed crucial info - anything that chronically elevates your cortisol will induce vitamin C deficiency. For instance this study shows that even marginal deficiency is problematic [guinea pigs are the best models for C studies]. Two primary nutrients for the adrenal glands are B5 and C. The increased adrenal activity, depletes both vitamins from the glands. Keywords: Cushing syndrome, ascorbic acid depletition.

The food prep (cook the night before) is not the issue, the issue is the time to get the appetite ready to ingest a 50 g of protein meal, work out and get to my job by 8AM [texasleah]

You doh't have to workout, you can eat eggs raw and appetite is ready if you repeat it long enough. You wake up starving. Anyway, somehow I, and many other people, find that eating meat at the morning is repulsive (unless its a hot dog).

4 eggs + 1 can of red salmon + onions = heaven and closer to 70g [jake]

You will never be hungry if you eat a breakfast like this. the biochemistry behind this recommendation is why. [Quilt]

I did it 30 days or so... was eating 4 eggs, bacon, nuts and cheeze or yougurt + 10-20g shake for breakfast. Unless you have really big eggs and really big can it isn't even close to 70g. 4 eggs [~16g] + salmon can [~25g] + onion [ trivial] ~ 40g. So, its almost impossible without the shake IMO. Maybe you can do it few days but soon you are out of idea. I finished putting pate on ??ggs .... :S

What about those who are leptin resistant and have LOW cortisol in the morning? Will eating a big serving of protein within 30 min of waking be beneficial for them too? [Gazzele]

Eating protein as soon as you rise control hunger and lowers AM cortisol very quickly. Both huge factors for health [Quilt]

Meaningless, IMO, for people who can't wake up. Cold showers rise my cortisol and wake me up and practice my thermogenesis (UCP) at the same time. I was never hungry in the morning before I started to force myself. This must mean there are other mechanisms in place, except cushing syndrome.

i think needs to be flushed out with more than one small study of a very specific group [luckybastard]

There is more research, just you didn't bother to do find it bastard. For instance, from my head:

A Reduced Ratio of Dietary Carbohydrate to Protein Improves Body Composition and Blood Lipid Profiles during Weight Loss in Adult Women

Time-of-day-dependent dietary fat consumption influences multiple cardiometabolic syndrome parameters in mice

but I know there are at least couple more...

Medium avatar

(39821)

on September 28, 2011
at 04:28 PM

That last link is very interesting; thanks for posting it.

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183f5c49a7a9548b6f5238d1f33cb35e

on September 28, 2011
at 05:40 AM

5'4 female, 125 pounds. This is what I've been eating for breakfast on the leptin reset ~

~ 5 fat chicken drumsticks or.. ~ 2 chicken/ thigh quarters or.. ~ about 300g (when raw) chicken breast fried in coconut oil or.. ~ whole can of mackerel eaten with seaweed strips (400g can) or.. ~ medium can of salmon and small can of herring, mixed up eaten with seaweed strips

I roast the chicken pieces at the beginning of the week then just reheat for brekkie. I eat this all within 5-20 minutes of waking up. Was hard the first couple of days, but now I am hungry in the mornings. 50 g + of protein and fat in the morning is nothing for me as neither macronutrients really satiate me much :) I can't stomach strong tastes first thing hence all the chicken and fish.

183f5c49a7a9548b6f5238d1f33cb35e

(1716)

on November 01, 2011
at 07:39 PM

And by gum.... it's working! well I'll be..... This Leptin reset thingey ended a 6 month weight loss/body composition stall for me, and my energy levels are so much better. Much more productive at work due to increased mental acuity.

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B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on June 10, 2011
at 01:23 AM

day 3 and still willing to do it again tomorrow.

day 1 i had back bacon and 2 eggs. day 2 i had chicken breast and 2 eggs. today i had 2 small pork chops and 2 eggs...its getting a bit eggy. tonight i have pork belly in the crock pot so i can slow cook beef in the fat over night.

i am seriously considering buying some protein powder for something a little different because i find it hard to eat three times a day with such a huge morning meal.

i definitely believe i am leptin insensitive although i have no blood work to confirm this. what i wonder is will there be indicators along the way that this is working?

D67e7b481854b02110d5a5b21d6789b1

(4111)

on June 10, 2011
at 02:38 PM

thanks for sharing, your question is generally the same as mine. In Quilts Leptin part II on his blog, he has four screening questions that might help you out.

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667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 08, 2011
at 05:51 PM

I eat a lot of protein per day: 275-300 grams. I don't eat anything whatsoever though until 2-3 hours after waking. I, like many others responded, have no appetite or drive to eat as soon as I rise. I do eat dinner within probably 1 hour of going to bed though. In other words I go to bed with definitely what I would call a full stomach.

After I'm up for 2-3 hours though I do have one serving of whey protein, but this is only approx 24 grams of protein, rapidly assimilated. Then throughout the day I eat. A lot:)

Certainly in the lifting world, kind of since forever, they've always advocated eating protein as soon as you can after waking - usually for two claimed reasons: 1. to avoid getting anywhere even near a catabolic state, and 2. to keep metabolism firing and keep a lid of hunger. Just what they've been saying for years. I obviously don't follow this rule.

Medium avatar

(5639)

on June 10, 2011
at 02:15 AM

Our diets are very similar...and presumably our schedules!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on September 28, 2011
at 08:59 AM

300 g protein per day ? AFAIK anything higher then 200g is toxic.

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Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on November 01, 2011
at 12:57 PM

Here is why their is a rec for the big protein load. We are forcing neuroplastic change by changing neurotransmitter learning.

http://jackkruse.com/how-does-the-leptin-rx-work/

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on November 01, 2011
at 04:05 PM

Did you even bother to read the question Quilt?

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on November 02, 2011
at 12:53 AM

Quilt- as a public service announcement, I thought you should know that there was an, ummm, interesting thread about you posted tonight. Put your battle gear on! http://paleohacks.com/questions/74180/quilts-ideas-recommendations-and-credibility#axzz1cVMfDGLW

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on November 01, 2011
at 01:18 PM

I understand WHY it is the recommendation and I even get that it works for a lot of people. I'm just saying it doesn't work for me because of the large calorie load first thing in the morning.

3a567c1637db69f1455ce35e78201a2c

(1054)

on November 05, 2011
at 01:35 AM

Shepa, Lots of ladies have said the same thing as you about the 50 grams of protein, 30 min within rising...and find after 4-5 days any problems they had disappeared and immediately start to feel much, much better. FWIW

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on November 05, 2011
at 01:30 PM

I promise you it will. You just have to stick with it. Go look at all the people over at my site or mda who trusted me for ten days.....it becomes easy quick

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 09, 2011
at 05:59 AM

Tried it today. Baby steps. 7:15am: 4 eggs, some walnuts...not quite 50 grams. Done by 7:45am Interesting thing is I then went off to do my errands (especially to get more eggs:) By 2pm I was back home and thinking I guess I gotta eat, but man I was not at all hungry. Couldn't imagine eating. Usually I like to fast until noon-2pm. Today I could have fasted all day after that breakfast. Will try this experiment again.

D67e7b481854b02110d5a5b21d6789b1

(4111)

on June 09, 2011
at 03:02 PM

keep us posted!

0
7405424b0ea4392e850fdc9df82a49dd

on April 30, 2012
at 10:48 PM

250g Steak and 3 Eggs (extra large).. according to Calorie King is 75g Fat and 96.9g Protein. Not the most exciting breakfast but I had to eat the steak :D

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3fc07ff31006b1860083f0cfe4472ae4

(561)

on April 11, 2012
at 01:30 AM

Scallops!

I'm female and eat high protein, but keep it lean cos I gain weight easily and fats slow me down.

I had 6 oz of bay scallops this morning with onion, mushrooms, broccoli and kaffir leaves and that clocked me in for 34 grams of protein.

At 100 calories per 4 oz serving, the scallops are a pretty good, lean protein source--w/17-20 grams protein in that 4oz. So, dense protein, if you eat shellfish--and tasty!

(FYI< I'm not doing the 50grm protocol myself because I prefer to stave of food as long as I can every day--works better for me except if I've under-eaten day before and wake up hungry/chompy.)

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41ceda1bad9f6ce5df7b38a6fe004215

on April 10, 2012
at 10:53 PM

Hello,

I was just wondering if you need to eat the 50 grams of protein, if you are in a healthy weight range?? I am currently trying to maintain the weight I lost from HCG, but I wouldn't mind losing a few more kgs. I have tried the 50g BAB and boy was it tough after HCG, but I managed to go without eating again till dinner time, which was great! My only concern is that given I weigh 63kg at 170cm, surely my daily requirements would be less than an overweight person?

0
1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

on April 09, 2012
at 01:47 AM

I don't know anything about the program but I eat high protein all the time, but only usually between 25-45g protein per meal. Eggs are very satiating, so you could try maybe one egg and 1 whole carton of liquid egg whites (processed yes, but it's not powder). Or, just have 8oz of whitefish like orange roughy or cod. That'll get you there. It's good start your day with lots of protein for many reasons.

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on April 08, 2012
at 09:33 PM

I posted a similar question and would love an update on how you're doing if you ended up following the protocol. Kruse did say that he NORMALLY recommends 50+ grams, but that less might work for some people. 50+ is a lot of protein for me as well...that's nearly my entire day's intake and I feel like it would just make me feel sick.

I'm not sure why others think it's your problem of not enough prep...I get it...it's not that you don't know WHAT to eat, but it's that you're a smaller female and it makes sense that someone who weights twice as much, 2 feet taller, etc. as you would have different requirements.

I plan on going with less than 50g and testing the waters to see how things play out.

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on September 28, 2011
at 01:44 PM

Steak and/or liver. Add free range bacon and some eggs if you like.

Easy peasy.

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