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Hey paleo vets: Have you experienced any Long Term problems?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created March 25, 2011 at 7:58 PM

Have any problems or unexpected negative consequences manifested after being paleo for a year or more?

I've been paleo for 6 months, and I love it. Quick results are part of paleo's appeal. Now, though, I want to be prepared for potential LT pitfalls that might arise. A good example is Nikoley's candid post Paleo Diet Problems:

http://freetheanimal.com/2010/01/paleo-diet-problems-big-problems.html,

It enumerates diarrhea, hypothyroidism, depression, cholesterol, and weight gain.

This is a question primarily for individuals who have been eating/living paleo for > 1 year. Please let us know how long you've been paleo, what problems emerged, when they emerged, and how you fixed them if you did. While LT positive consequences would be interesting as well, and ought to be included, I'm primarily interested in PROBLEMS that emerged AFTER being paleo for a year or more.

1f8384be58052b6b96f476e475abdc74

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on September 08, 2011
at 03:40 PM

can you please expand on the coconut oil depression link...

B1fcaceba952861d0324bdb291edbbe0

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on April 10, 2011
at 09:18 PM

:) I concur Eric. Thanks for following up. It didn't make me stop eating paleo or anything.

77ecc37f89dbe8f783179323916bd8e6

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on April 10, 2011
at 08:36 PM

I said it above, and it's worth repeating: this post shouldn't really have that affect. We already know about all of the good stuff that results from paleo. And we know that we don't really know how our paleolithic ancestors ate. So we have to also utilize both self experimentation and research, and it would be helpful to find out what problems the paleo vets encountered. That way we don't all have to repeat their mistakes. So, with that said, hopefully it's not a bummer, but in fact a relief that people are willing to be honest, and that we're now able to learn from their experiences.

61b801de5dc345b557cd4623d4a4f26b

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on March 28, 2011
at 01:39 PM

My assertiveness has also gone up quite a bit, as I used to avoid any type of confrontation at all. Now I stand my ground and sometimes even push back a little.

22212e9ba2a041e6da6c963d4d41615a

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on March 27, 2011
at 07:02 PM

Besides the rapid bf gain, I got an adrenal test and my cortisol and DHEA levels were out of wack!

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

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on March 27, 2011
at 02:57 PM

I think you are still paleo. I eat rice and dairy, but I think it is the following of paleo principles that counts the most.

9055f14c31610afd4d3068ec48eb6d90

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on March 27, 2011
at 02:55 PM

How did u find out about ur cortisol issues--did u get tested?

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on March 27, 2011
at 02:49 PM

@kirik, I tend to get snippy when first timers first post is fishing for negatives. We've had alot of fruitarian/vegan propaganda hit the wall here, and I wanted to head it off. If thats not the case, fine. Post more and participate in the community.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on March 27, 2011
at 12:30 PM

yeah that's one I kinda wish didn't happen, I still gently lean on them to take the red pill. I invite them over and cook them awesome paleo meals!

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

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on March 27, 2011
at 04:38 AM

This one I have issues with too, Relationships with overweight friends has diminished. It's sad.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on March 27, 2011
at 04:38 AM

I kind of enjoy these two myself: Alcohol tolerance is GONE, I'm a cheap date now and my "drive" has returned to pubescent levels. :D

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on March 27, 2011
at 03:16 AM

There's a pretty good load of threads on paleo benefits already :)

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on March 27, 2011
at 03:10 AM

Added some "negatives" too

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on March 27, 2011
at 02:55 AM

@Melissa perhaps I should reword. My intention was not to say the thread doesn't have it's beneficial purpose. I just don't want someone weak willed to run for the hills and sacrifice their health without understanding individual variation.

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on March 26, 2011
at 06:32 PM

I'm guessing that FH is only dangerous when coupled with pattern B.

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

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on March 26, 2011
at 06:00 PM

My blood work improved after switching to paleo. My HDL doubled, trigliceryds went down... Take it easy, find what you like, include more veggies and fruits (esp. berries) if it makes you feel better. You don't have to add any extra fat if you don't like it.

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

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on March 26, 2011
at 05:53 PM

Have you had any problems with that earlier? I've always had pretty low blood pressure, and continue to have it. I drink coffee to keep it up. As for now I haven't noticed any bigger changes. It's good you found a way to deal with it!

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

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on March 26, 2011
at 05:48 PM

Cut down on the fat if you feel physically gross eating it. Don't cut down on the fat just because you think you shouldn't and it makes you feel guilty.

5edbf85deaf83e13b176df023abb154d

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on March 26, 2011
at 05:39 PM

NOT a scare thread. If you read it that way, and I can certainly see how you might, then you and I simply disagree. We don't need one-sided Pollyanna crud here, imo. People sharing their experiences, good and bad, helps others.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

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on March 26, 2011
at 04:57 PM

I agree with Melissa. Eat more fruit and less fat if you want too :) don't do stuff that makes you feel gross.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

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on March 26, 2011
at 04:43 PM

There is no need to be low carb. Also, if eating more varied WAPF type food works out better for you then go for it.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on March 26, 2011
at 03:48 PM

things that you should look into: HDL/LDL ratio, thyroid panel, liver function panel, genetic test for familial hypercholesterolemia. People want to hear that high cholesterol is OK, but it's more complex than that.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on March 26, 2011
at 03:46 PM

this isn't a scare thread, this is people discussing their experiences. If people are scared maybe they are too sensitive to do paleo, since it requires lots of personal tweaking.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on March 26, 2011
at 03:39 PM

have you have full thyroid and liver panels? the genetic test for familial hypercholesterolemia?

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on March 26, 2011
at 03:35 PM

what's your HDL ratio?

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on March 26, 2011
at 03:34 PM

also, I do agree that not worrying about cholesterol is kind of arrogant. I would read some of Chris Masterjohn's stuff on this http://blog.cholesterol-and-health.com/2011/03/genes-ldl-cholesterol-levels-and.html but it's a complex issue

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on March 26, 2011
at 03:30 PM

"if it is indeed that, for the young, as nature has no use for those past the age where reproduction might occur." wrong wrong wrong. wrong. Elders affect community health substantially in hominids.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on March 26, 2011
at 03:29 PM

"I don't miss the grains but I'd love to eat more fruit and less fat." Well then why don't you? Or at least switch to Kitavan-style diet?

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on March 26, 2011
at 03:26 PM

I don't know, but calories seem to have played a role. Perhaps my thyroid. All my tests were fine though.

0adda19045a3641edac0008364b91110

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on March 26, 2011
at 02:34 PM

@ TheOriginalKaz...How so???

9dd74d3941535d0aaa2c8d3cf454fb7e

on March 26, 2011
at 02:32 PM

Depression could be caused by lots of coconut oil ingestion. But that is a thread unto itself.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on March 26, 2011
at 02:05 AM

Mother nature isn't stupid. She doesn't make cholesterol unless she needs it. Conventional medicine is stupid.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on March 26, 2011
at 02:02 AM

I think Travis hit the nail on the head. Too much of the wrong fats (use up cholesterol), to much inflammation, too much glycation and damage, and too little of the good fats for so long creates a cholesterol deficiency. Then when we finally give our bodies what they need they produce more cholesterol. Just make sure to focus on eating as healthily as possible and reversing inflammation, deficiencies and so on. Some deficiencies that can creep up are magnesium and copper, which would have been fully accounted for in paleo times but it is an issue now. How in the world would you act upon it?

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on March 26, 2011
at 02:02 AM

I think Travis hit the nail on the head. Too much of the wrong fasts (use up cholesterol), to much inflammation, too much glycation and damage, and too little of the good fats for so long creates a cholesterol deficiency. Then when we finally give our bodies what they need they produce more cholesterol. Just make sure to focus on eating as healthily as possible and reversing inflammation, deficiencies and so on. Some deficiencies that can creep up are magnesium and copper, which would have been fully accounted for in paleo times but it is an issue now. How in the world would you act upon it?

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

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on March 26, 2011
at 01:44 AM

Why do you say that?

Da681d976130df15aac3984013aaad6d

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on March 26, 2011
at 01:16 AM

Trying...it's very new to me....

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on March 26, 2011
at 01:10 AM

Let go of the SAD-educated crap the doctors and the mainstream repeats ad nauseum.

Da681d976130df15aac3984013aaad6d

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on March 26, 2011
at 12:47 AM

I will. Scared, actually!

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

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on March 26, 2011
at 12:41 AM

get another blood test see if its better or worse!

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

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on March 26, 2011
at 12:39 AM

you might find chapter 9 of 'Good calories, Bad calories' particularly informative

F6c1df7d5699661bd1f0d6d0a6c17fc6

on March 25, 2011
at 11:58 PM

Melissa, do you know what caused the hypotension? Was it just lack of salt?

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

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on March 25, 2011
at 11:12 PM

Cholesterol CAN be genetic though, right? I wouldn't leave it untreated, diet or not.

77ecc37f89dbe8f783179323916bd8e6

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on March 25, 2011
at 10:25 PM

I know you are being facetious, but I hope that honest answers don't have that effect. The diet approximates something - the Paleolithic diet(s) of our ancestors - that we can't really know. Our best guide, then, is success and failure through trying tweaks in our diet (and published research). I want this post's answers to be a chance for us to avoid the same mistakes as the more experienced paleo eaters.

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4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

on March 26, 2011
at 02:23 PM

3 years.

My side effects include

Vastly improved sports performance

Super fast weightloss with no rebound.

Never hungry

Virtually never sick

Perfect skin

Major muscle growth

Better posture

Better sleep

Better ability to deal with stress

Saved tons of money on Neolithic products.

Saved tons of money on doc visits

Saved tons of money without switching to geico.

Helped many friends and family see the same as above.


I hope people reading this thread realize a few things and don't give up.

Some people have problems with too low carb

Some people don't eat a wide variety Nd have nutrient deficiencies

Some people have preexisting conditions that even they may not know about.

Some people are eating grainfed meat and pesticide junk and then eating 20% Neolithic on top of that an calling it Paleo.

You need to self experiment and see how your body reacts. But I guarantee one thing:

There are zero humans that thrive long term on processed foods, sadly there are billions getting by...

We evolved on Whole Foods.


Edit:

My self experimentation experiences.

Zero carb too quick lead to very low blood pressure. Dizzy when standing. Went away upon adaptation.

Fructose after a period of zero sugar led to malabsorption. Glucose did not.

Intense exercise without carbs resulted in reduced performance and recovery with 2+ hr sports(Ultimate Frisbee, Tennis, Swordfighting) . Tubers PW resolved.

Nuts seriously stalled getting abs showing.

Fruit stalled getting abs showing. I now eat some berries PW or breaking a fast

Alcohol tolerance is GONE, I'm a cheap date now

Relationships with overweight friends has diminished , I don't want to sit around. They aren't willing to take the red pill. Not that we aren't friends, just hang out less because I socialize with active people now.

My "drive" has returned to pubescent levels. Annoying.

Artificial sugars cause cravings and headaches. Never did before.

I sleep much more and have less freetime(tho I imagine the time better used)

I smell everything much stronger, most often not good smells.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on March 27, 2011
at 04:38 AM

I kind of enjoy these two myself: Alcohol tolerance is GONE, I'm a cheap date now and my "drive" has returned to pubescent levels. :D

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on March 27, 2011
at 12:30 PM

yeah that's one I kinda wish didn't happen, I still gently lean on them to take the red pill. I invite them over and cook them awesome paleo meals!

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on March 26, 2011
at 03:46 PM

this isn't a scare thread, this is people discussing their experiences. If people are scared maybe they are too sensitive to do paleo, since it requires lots of personal tweaking.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on March 27, 2011
at 03:10 AM

Added some "negatives" too

5edbf85deaf83e13b176df023abb154d

(1293)

on March 26, 2011
at 05:39 PM

NOT a scare thread. If you read it that way, and I can certainly see how you might, then you and I simply disagree. We don't need one-sided Pollyanna crud here, imo. People sharing their experiences, good and bad, helps others.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on March 27, 2011
at 03:16 AM

There's a pretty good load of threads on paleo benefits already :)

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on March 27, 2011
at 04:38 AM

This one I have issues with too, Relationships with overweight friends has diminished. It's sad.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on March 27, 2011
at 02:55 AM

@Melissa perhaps I should reword. My intention was not to say the thread doesn't have it's beneficial purpose. I just don't want someone weak willed to run for the hills and sacrifice their health without understanding individual variation.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on March 27, 2011
at 02:49 PM

@kirik, I tend to get snippy when first timers first post is fishing for negatives. We've had alot of fruitarian/vegan propaganda hit the wall here, and I wanted to head it off. If thats not the case, fine. Post more and participate in the community.

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on March 26, 2011
at 12:36 AM

My total cholesterol just tested at 393 and I can't say I really care. If a biologically appropriate diet produces a large amount of cholesterol in your lipoproteins suddenly, then it's not that the fat is bad and is killing you, it's that you were deficient in fat prior and your body can now manufacture the amount it wants to. So be it. I'm not going to interfere with it.

Before paleo I had horrible reactive hypoglycemia and had to eat constantly. I now eat 3 times a day and feel great all the time.

I think most people just need to accept the fact that they really need to eat about 1/2lb of liver a week to ensure that they're getting all of their micros. Add some kelp onto that and you'll likely have all of your bases covered.

Also, paleo isn't VLC or ZC, those are fringe movements under the umbrella of it. If either of those makes you feel great, then go for it, but if they make you feel terrible, skip it and have some rice/tubers without any guilt. Glucose only gets partitioned as fat if you exceed your glycogen saturation point. It's not evil.

Additionally, I think eating as much fat as you possibly can will almost certainly result in a weight loss plateau or gain. If that happens, you may need to rein in the fat consumption a bit in order to decrease calories. There's no evolutionary precedent for eating sticks of butter or jars of coconut oil. We need to respect just how energy-dense fat is and eat less of it if we desire to lose fat and it stalls.

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on March 26, 2011
at 06:32 PM

I'm guessing that FH is only dangerous when coupled with pattern B.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on March 26, 2011
at 03:39 PM

have you have full thyroid and liver panels? the genetic test for familial hypercholesterolemia?

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on March 26, 2011
at 03:35 PM

what's your HDL ratio?

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C491ff8ce20d5c17f8f7ff94392a9570

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on March 25, 2011
at 09:28 PM

I've been paleo and low carb to some degree or another for most of 7 years and I developed IBS and extreme menstrual cramps. I was also trying to get pregnant for over a year while on paleo/LC and was unsuccessful. I went off paleo and low carb for awhile due to these problems and followed more of a WAPF-ish diet that included much more carbohydrate than I had been eating previously and even including grains and even sometimes just eating whatever the hell I wanted. My IBS issues completely resolved. And killing two birds with one stone, I can't tell you about the menstrual cramps because I finally was able to get preggers and I haven't had a period in over a year due to pregnancy/breastfeeding. I've been trying to move back towards a more paleo approach since Jan of this year, but if my old problems come back I gotta admit I'll probably drop it like it's hot.

Oh I also had borderline low thyroid while on paleo/LC but I was never tested for it when I was SAD or after I gave up paleo/LC for awhile so I don't know if paleo/LC made it better/worse/had no effect.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on March 26, 2011
at 04:43 PM

There is no need to be low carb. Also, if eating more varied WAPF type food works out better for you then go for it.

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C8521a858edd480815a55f683afff86a

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on March 26, 2011
at 10:38 PM

I started eating VLC paleo a year ago and felt physically and mentally great at first. I ate mostly meat, eggs, butter, leafy greens and some fermented or raw dairy. Then I started having pretty bad constipation, but I thought I was eating the ideal 'mostly meat' diet so it would correct itself. It didn't. Then I lost my period about three months in. This was a terrible warning sign from my body to change something but I still believed I was eating the right way.

After three months of no period I got scared. I did some research and decided carbs weren't so expendable after all. I started adding sweet potatoes, rice, white potatoes and using honey and maple syrup occasionally. I upped my dairy consumption and guzzled raw goat milk. It took about two months after changing my diet and I finally started menstruating, thank god. I also gained muscle mass and no more constipation.

Now I eat something like the Perfect Health diet or WAPF with no grains. I think things that WAPF stresses like eating organ meats and lots of animal fats but moderate to low protein are right on the money. Also, I feel much better drinking bone broth daily and eating lots of variety of veggies and berries.

Everyone needs to do a lot of research on their own and get a wide variety of opinions before they start dramatically changing their diet- particularly if said diet is restrictive. I do not believe there is one ideal diet, but I do believe nearly everyone benefits from lots of quality animal fat, organs and bone broth. If you've been doing paleo without those things I really recommend adding some to your diet.

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on March 25, 2011
at 10:21 PM

Great question! The only trouble I have had is with stomach bloating/ache from eating too many nuts! I used to eat bags of them in one sitting. I am in year 5 of 'paleo' and apart from the aforementioned issue (which was easily diagnosed and remedied), I have had no trouble. My basic approach has been to eat food, NOT nutrients, as follows:

  • Fill half your plate with quality cuts of meat - including the fat and occasionally organ meat.
  • Fill the other half of your plate with veg (mostly green, leafy stuff).
  • Try to eat seasonally - so emphasise salad (think colour and texture), in summer.
  • Moderate fruit - again go seasonal.
  • Introduce plenty of eggs.
  • Don't be afraid to experiment with dairy and starchy carbohydrates - depending on your goals and activity profile.

The big thing is to keep it simple. Avoid obsessing over the minutai. Avoid the scales - either food scales or the ones you stand on. Trust the mirror, your general health and your athletic performance!

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22212e9ba2a041e6da6c963d4d41615a

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on March 27, 2011
at 12:35 PM

I did VLC at first and was looking and feeling fantastic, but about 3 months in the VLC+high intense workouts=disaster! I developed some serious cortisol issues and gained 7lbs in 4 weeks and it was all bodyfat to the gut!!! I've since taken 3 weeks off of training and now eat at least 100 carbs a day. I also adopted the primal blueprint model of training, at least until my hormones get back to normal.

22212e9ba2a041e6da6c963d4d41615a

(5773)

on March 27, 2011
at 07:02 PM

Besides the rapid bf gain, I got an adrenal test and my cortisol and DHEA levels were out of wack!

9055f14c31610afd4d3068ec48eb6d90

(984)

on March 27, 2011
at 02:55 PM

How did u find out about ur cortisol issues--did u get tested?

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58953a2c75e25369aaf5cb6602b35cd2

on March 26, 2011
at 01:11 AM

"My total cholesterol just tested at 393 and I can't say I really care. If a biologically appropriate diet produces a large amount of cholesterol in your lipoproteins suddenly, then it's not that the fat is bad and is killing you, it's that you were deficient in fat prior and your body can now manufacture the amount it wants to. So be it. I'm not going to interfere with it."

My fear is that this diet you speak of might only be biologically appropriate, if it is indeed that, for the young, as nature has no use for those past the age where reproduction might occur.

Guys like Art Devany certainly don't eat much fat.

Look, I don't know. I tend to not fuss about my blood numbers at all like you but maybe we're fooling ourselves.

The talk about feeling great and n=1 and all that is fine. On the other hand, you go take some anabolic steroids and you'll feel much, much better than you've ever felt and thought possible. Are you going to tell me that your n=1 in that hypothetical is evidence of anything? "These steroids make me feel strong and energetic and great! Therefore, they're good for me!"

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on March 26, 2011
at 03:34 PM

also, I do agree that not worrying about cholesterol is kind of arrogant. I would read some of Chris Masterjohn's stuff on this http://blog.cholesterol-and-health.com/2011/03/genes-ldl-cholesterol-levels-and.html but it's a complex issue

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on March 26, 2011
at 03:30 PM

"if it is indeed that, for the young, as nature has no use for those past the age where reproduction might occur." wrong wrong wrong. wrong. Elders affect community health substantially in hominids.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on March 26, 2011
at 02:05 AM

Mother nature isn't stupid. She doesn't make cholesterol unless she needs it. Conventional medicine is stupid.

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Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on March 25, 2011
at 10:09 PM

Slight chest pains, which turned out to be a copper deficiency. Food ain't the way it was before, make sure to get enough of certain nutrients! Eat animal insidey parts like liver.

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9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on March 25, 2011
at 08:17 PM

Hypotension to the point where I collapsed and was sent to the ER. I've since resolved this, but lately I've been thinking...am I really paleo anymore? I started eating more starch to help get rid of it and more salt. I now eat rice nearly every day. I also consume more dairy.

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

(7304)

on March 27, 2011
at 02:57 PM

I think you are still paleo. I eat rice and dairy, but I think it is the following of paleo principles that counts the most.

F6c1df7d5699661bd1f0d6d0a6c17fc6

on March 25, 2011
at 11:58 PM

Melissa, do you know what caused the hypotension? Was it just lack of salt?

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

(4896)

on March 26, 2011
at 05:53 PM

Have you had any problems with that earlier? I've always had pretty low blood pressure, and continue to have it. I drink coffee to keep it up. As for now I haven't noticed any bigger changes. It's good you found a way to deal with it!

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on March 26, 2011
at 03:26 PM

I don't know, but calories seem to have played a role. Perhaps my thyroid. All my tests were fine though.

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66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

on March 27, 2011
at 01:58 PM

physical:

slightly constipated if i don't eat kim chi or the like at least once weekly

will have bouts of insomnia if my carb intake drops too low

will have a bit of dizziness if carb intake drops too low

mood:

noticeably more "assertive"- some would say aggressive- in social situations. not necessarily a bad thing but it kind of startles ppl who've known me a long time

relationships:

argue more with gf who thinks i'm a food nazi- and she's the one who's seriously gluten intolerant. go figure.

snarky answers to vegans in my life don't endear me to them.

all of these negatives or whatever are far outweighed by the phyical and mental benefits i've received from embarking on this journey.

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on March 28, 2011
at 01:39 PM

My assertiveness has also gone up quite a bit, as I used to avoid any type of confrontation at all. Now I stand my ground and sometimes even push back a little.

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on March 27, 2011
at 12:21 PM

I developed hypothyroidism. It manifested as exercise induced asthma, acne, frequent illnesses, and being incredibly tired. I'm now taking mega-doses of iodine and recovering quickly. I don't fault the primal diet for this as much as I do the modern food system. We simply don't have natural sources of iodine readily available for purchase at reasonable prices. Even sea vegetables and ocean caught fish now have varying levels of iodine because of bromides polluting the oceans.

By the way, my asthma doctors kept trying to treat my asthma, even though nothing was helping at all. They always said the next treatment would definitely help. Nope. Through the crossfit/paleo community, I came across a blogger who shared her own troubles with thyroid issues. Based on her story which sounded familiar, I did an at home 24 hour iodine loading test to determine that I was indeed very iodine deficient. The asthma doctors said there's no studies showing that should work, so I should keep up the meds. I haven't taken any in 2 months. I just don't need them.

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on March 26, 2011
at 05:37 PM

OVERALL --- and this is the bottom line for me ----- overall, I have NEVER felt this great. I have lost 23 pounds and added a great deal of muscle. All this in six months. I switched from vegan eating to this and six months later I'm 23 pounds lighter on the scales but have lots more muscle.

SO, keep that in mind when I say that I've had to tinker with my diet since the switch over. I was really low carb when I switched. Stayed that way for a month before adding back in sweet potatoes and more veggies. Sometimes, I'll eat a meal of only veggies and a sweet potato. I was having trouble sleeping that first month.

Trouble sleeping and constipation were problems.

BUT YOU ASKED about long term problems.

I have NONE. Everything resolved.

Please don't take anyone's posts here and become scared. Become enabled and deal with whatever comes up. Virtually everything that might come up is something you can deal with.

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on March 26, 2011
at 01:41 PM

I have been eating a diet of meat, eggs, fat and vegetables for four years now. I have not developed any problems and I feel WAY better than I did before on whole grains, olive oil, et al.

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on March 25, 2011
at 10:11 PM

Makin' me scared of paleo.....

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on March 25, 2011
at 10:25 PM

I know you are being facetious, but I hope that honest answers don't have that effect. The diet approximates something - the Paleolithic diet(s) of our ancestors - that we can't really know. Our best guide, then, is success and failure through trying tweaks in our diet (and published research). I want this post's answers to be a chance for us to avoid the same mistakes as the more experienced paleo eaters.

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on March 26, 2011
at 01:55 AM

2 years in September, feeling and looking better than ever. I only stayed in ketosis about 6 months though.

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on March 26, 2011
at 12:36 AM

Before Paleo I had perfect bloodwork, I shudder to think what it will be now with all the sat. fat I eat, I know, I know, it's supposed to be ok, but I don't feel good about downing all this animal fat and coconut milk, I feel kind of gross, frankly. I don't miss the grains but I'd love to eat more fruit and less fat.

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(15236)

on March 26, 2011
at 12:41 AM

get another blood test see if its better or worse!

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(720)

on March 26, 2011
at 01:16 AM

Trying...it's very new to me....

Da681d976130df15aac3984013aaad6d

(720)

on March 26, 2011
at 12:47 AM

I will. Scared, actually!

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on March 26, 2011
at 06:00 PM

My blood work improved after switching to paleo. My HDL doubled, trigliceryds went down... Take it easy, find what you like, include more veggies and fruits (esp. berries) if it makes you feel better. You don't have to add any extra fat if you don't like it.

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on March 26, 2011
at 04:57 PM

I agree with Melissa. Eat more fruit and less fat if you want too :) don't do stuff that makes you feel gross.

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on March 26, 2011
at 01:10 AM

Let go of the SAD-educated crap the doctors and the mainstream repeats ad nauseum.

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on March 26, 2011
at 03:29 PM

"I don't miss the grains but I'd love to eat more fruit and less fat." Well then why don't you? Or at least switch to Kitavan-style diet?

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(9647)

on March 26, 2011
at 05:48 PM

Cut down on the fat if you feel physically gross eating it. Don't cut down on the fat just because you think you shouldn't and it makes you feel guilty.

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on March 25, 2011
at 10:32 PM

Very high cholesterol with high LDL.

Very worrisome. No one can state with any authority whether it's something to act upon or not. I see people stating things and quoting this and that, but it's only to try to convince themselves, it seems.

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(17969)

on March 26, 2011
at 02:02 AM

I think Travis hit the nail on the head. Too much of the wrong fasts (use up cholesterol), to much inflammation, too much glycation and damage, and too little of the good fats for so long creates a cholesterol deficiency. Then when we finally give our bodies what they need they produce more cholesterol. Just make sure to focus on eating as healthily as possible and reversing inflammation, deficiencies and so on. Some deficiencies that can creep up are magnesium and copper, which would have been fully accounted for in paleo times but it is an issue now. How in the world would you act upon it?

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(15236)

on March 26, 2011
at 12:39 AM

you might find chapter 9 of 'Good calories, Bad calories' particularly informative

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on March 26, 2011
at 03:48 PM

things that you should look into: HDL/LDL ratio, thyroid panel, liver function panel, genetic test for familial hypercholesterolemia. People want to hear that high cholesterol is OK, but it's more complex than that.

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on March 25, 2011
at 11:12 PM

Cholesterol CAN be genetic though, right? I wouldn't leave it untreated, diet or not.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on March 26, 2011
at 02:02 AM

I think Travis hit the nail on the head. Too much of the wrong fats (use up cholesterol), to much inflammation, too much glycation and damage, and too little of the good fats for so long creates a cholesterol deficiency. Then when we finally give our bodies what they need they produce more cholesterol. Just make sure to focus on eating as healthily as possible and reversing inflammation, deficiencies and so on. Some deficiencies that can creep up are magnesium and copper, which would have been fully accounted for in paleo times but it is an issue now. How in the world would you act upon it?

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(4464)

on March 27, 2011
at 12:45 PM

Over a year here - no problems to report.

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on March 26, 2011
at 06:04 PM

Over a year now... Only improvements, haven't noticed any negative side effects. I will be setting an app't soon to check my blood work, but I don't expect any negative news, as I feel great, no comparison to two years ago and previous years.

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(3159)

on March 25, 2011
at 11:32 PM

:( Well this is a bummer.

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(19245)

on March 26, 2011
at 01:44 AM

Why do you say that?

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(3159)

on April 10, 2011
at 09:18 PM

:) I concur Eric. Thanks for following up. It didn't make me stop eating paleo or anything.

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on April 10, 2011
at 08:36 PM

I said it above, and it's worth repeating: this post shouldn't really have that affect. We already know about all of the good stuff that results from paleo. And we know that we don't really know how our paleolithic ancestors ate. So we have to also utilize both self experimentation and research, and it would be helpful to find out what problems the paleo vets encountered. That way we don't all have to repeat their mistakes. So, with that said, hopefully it's not a bummer, but in fact a relief that people are willing to be honest, and that we're now able to learn from their experiences.

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