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Negative reactions to probiotics...Should I stick with them?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created November 28, 2011 at 2:05 AM

My digestion has been pretty good for the last month or so, but I still struggle digesting fruit and some starches, like basmati rice, sushi rice isn't a problem, and neither are things like sweet potato and taro. I thought maybe my inability to digest fruit is being caused by some dysbiosis in my gut so I decided to try Primal Defense Regular and for the last week or so my stools have been small and stringy and somewhat painful. For some reason I feel very faint and weak when passing stools. I also seem to have lost the ability to digest sweet potato while taking these probiotics. Should these symptoms be expected at first? Or should I stop using them? My stools were perfect before, and I now I fear going to the bathroom because of the weird faint feeling I get when I pass a stool.

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on November 27, 2012
at 03:13 AM

Then why do bacteria produce antibiotics?

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on November 10, 2012
at 12:39 AM

They do compete for food/energy though no?

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

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on November 29, 2011
at 01:49 AM

I'll give it a couple weeks to see if I see an improvement in symptoms.

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

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on November 29, 2011
at 01:48 AM

Interesting. I read somewhere (can't find the article now) that Primal Defense contains something which detoxifies metals and could cause a nasty die off in some people. I really have to find that article.

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on November 28, 2011
at 09:53 PM

I think so--at least that should be on the short list of suspects. I was lucky; after 6 months of no sugar, my gut must have been somewhat recovered. A also started with tiny doses of water kefir, but I still did feel "something going on" for a day or so. Now I just feel fabulous.

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on November 28, 2011
at 08:00 PM

Right now, I'm making "fruit soda" yet it's still a strong probiotic. After the first brewing, I mix 1/2 strained kefir and 1/2 fruit juice of choice. Bottle for fizziness and let it stay on the counter to eat the sugar in the fruit juice to taste. You have to burp the bottles as the fizziness builds, and at least once after putting it in the fridge, or you'll have a fountain when you open the bottles.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on November 28, 2011
at 07:58 PM

Yeah, I read that kefir is "feel good" in Turkish and that's how I feel when I drink it.

244e1f82efb3fd15d2da39397488fb24

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on November 28, 2011
at 06:20 PM

I've only ever made coconut water kefir. Water kefir, eh? That sounds solid! Thanks for inspiring me!

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on November 28, 2011
at 04:46 PM

LOL! TeaElf, I have trouble making myself call them grains to myself. I call them my "kefir kids." :-))

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on November 28, 2011
at 12:49 PM

What's a good starting dose, I have no idea how much is little? I'm getting Now Foods Gr8-Dophilus any day now. What's a good maintenance dose, and how do I judge it? I'll look into kefir and yogurt as well.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

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on November 28, 2011
at 12:43 PM

Hmm have to keep an eye on this, my first probiotic batch is in the mail.

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

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on November 28, 2011
at 07:26 AM

Ack! By grains I mean kefir grains, not grain-grains.

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

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on November 28, 2011
at 05:08 AM

I guess my problem was that kefir is so darn tasty I drank 8-16 ounces a day (divided) almost right from the start. Ramped up from a tsp to a cup too fast, but it was SOOO good. And then SOOO much tummy ache. I was apparently asking for WWIII in my gut. :) Thanks for this answer, Nance; very helpful. I feel like I don't have to give up on my grains.

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on November 28, 2011
at 02:30 AM

Same here. I just never feel the amazing benefits everyone always talks about. It always seems to make my problems worse.

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on November 28, 2011
at 02:21 AM

I'm interested in this as well -- I hear so much about the awesomeness of probiotics, but the month I was on them I was bloated and miserable.

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96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on November 28, 2011
at 02:40 AM

It sounds like you're trying to take too much probiotic too fast--if you suspect you have gut flora issues, you need to start with tiny amounts and increase the amounts very slowly or you WILL be sick as the good bugs attack the bad ones.

I'm consuming "real food" probiotics rather than supplements. I call most supplements "manufactured nutrient-like products" in the same way I call neolithic foods "manufactured food-like products." If possible, I feel it's important to use the real thing just as we're all doing with food.

I am using 2 types of probiotic foods successfully: water kefir and full-fat yogurt. I also eat some sauerkraut but I don't count that.

With the water kefir, I started with only a teaspoon per day because it's very powerful (dozens of microbe species as opposed to a few) and if you don't start really slow you can get flu-like symptoms. It's explained that the good bugs attack any bad bugs in your gut, with corresponding release of toxins, and if you take too much at first you will get sick. Over the course of 2 weeks, I gradually increased the amount and now I drink a full glass every morning. I was lucky--I felt something going on at first, but I never got sick.

I couldn't eat yogurt until I had been on water kefir for a little while; it never agreed with me. I'm now having a cup of full-fat yogurt each day.

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on November 28, 2011
at 07:26 AM

Ack! By grains I mean kefir grains, not grain-grains.

244e1f82efb3fd15d2da39397488fb24

(549)

on November 28, 2011
at 06:20 PM

I've only ever made coconut water kefir. Water kefir, eh? That sounds solid! Thanks for inspiring me!

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on November 28, 2011
at 08:00 PM

Right now, I'm making "fruit soda" yet it's still a strong probiotic. After the first brewing, I mix 1/2 strained kefir and 1/2 fruit juice of choice. Bottle for fizziness and let it stay on the counter to eat the sugar in the fruit juice to taste. You have to burp the bottles as the fizziness builds, and at least once after putting it in the fridge, or you'll have a fountain when you open the bottles.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on November 28, 2011
at 04:46 PM

LOL! TeaElf, I have trouble making myself call them grains to myself. I call them my "kefir kids." :-))

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

(3280)

on November 28, 2011
at 05:08 AM

I guess my problem was that kefir is so darn tasty I drank 8-16 ounces a day (divided) almost right from the start. Ramped up from a tsp to a cup too fast, but it was SOOO good. And then SOOO much tummy ache. I was apparently asking for WWIII in my gut. :) Thanks for this answer, Nance; very helpful. I feel like I don't have to give up on my grains.

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on November 28, 2011
at 02:46 AM

Both times I've introduced Primal Defense I go through a "purging" period where I meet some serious nastiness coming out (sorry about that). I think it's a result of the HSOs unique to the PD brand doing their dirty work. It usually lasts 2-5 days, after which the quality of my stools is substantially improved with respect to pre-primal defense.

It's also important to increase dosage gradually- this will ease the transition and make sure you're not purging too much good with the bad.

I've noticed a similar effect from high quality sauerkraut and some other food based probiotics.

In short, I think you should be fine--and ultimately better--if you stay the course.

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

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on November 29, 2011
at 01:49 AM

I'll give it a couple weeks to see if I see an improvement in symptoms.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on November 28, 2011
at 12:49 PM

What's a good starting dose, I have no idea how much is little? I'm getting Now Foods Gr8-Dophilus any day now. What's a good maintenance dose, and how do I judge it? I'll look into kefir and yogurt as well.

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on November 29, 2011
at 02:29 AM

I second what people here are saying about gradually increasing the dosage of the probiotic, and do it based on symptoms. If you take 2 a day and feel tired and bloated, take 1 a day after that and so on til you can take em without significant symptoms. However, sometimes probiotics don't help with some people, so I'd keep taking em for about two weeks and see if your digestion and energy improves, if not it's probably wise to stop taking them. One reason is SIBO, where too much bacteria is in the upper gut, so adding more won't solve the problem and can make it worse. The less sugar you have in your diet the better off you'll be in terms of preventing the bacteria that ferment sugar in the upper gut from growing. Another reason probiotics don't work is because of pathogenic bacteria in the gut forming biofilms. It's hard if not impossible for any probiotic to destroy the biofilm and implant on the gut wall so it has no effect. Check out this document and the protocol they used to get rid of biofilms and restore a healthy balance of bacteria in the gut http://www.scribd.com/doc/18583142/Gut-Recovery-Program-A-New-Approach-To-Treating-Chronic-Gastrointestinal-Infections.

You may be having a die-off reaction, which is common for people with dysbiosis, so keep observing if the symptoms get worse or better. If you get better it was die off, if you get worse or stay the same, it could be what I described above, or it could mean your immune system is imbalanced and has lost tolerance to good bacteria and produces a response to them instead of the bad bacteria.

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on November 28, 2011
at 09:12 PM

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on November 28, 2011
at 09:53 PM

I think so--at least that should be on the short list of suspects. I was lucky; after 6 months of no sugar, my gut must have been somewhat recovered. A also started with tiny doses of water kefir, but I still did feel "something going on" for a day or so. Now I just feel fabulous.

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on May 24, 2012
at 03:40 AM

Guys take a class on microbiology... Bugs don't attack other bugs!

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on November 10, 2012
at 12:39 AM

They do compete for food/energy though no?

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

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on November 27, 2012
at 03:13 AM

Then why do bacteria produce antibiotics?

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on May 24, 2012
at 01:48 AM

Went on Tuzen and felt better. But symptoms crept back. Someone suggested black walnut complex and I felt much better. I then added Bio K and then Nautal Factors Ultamite Probiotics and within days, felt worse. Mostly some intense burning in roof of mouth and sinus, some bloating and constipation. Not sure if it was the combination or quanity that caused a reaction. Co-worker from europe thinks mixing strains can cause issues.

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on November 28, 2011
at 09:42 PM

I had similar results with Primal Defense and I dropped it after a week. Perhaps I should of stuck with it... but when I tried Ohhira's things immediately improved. I combined Ohhira's with Theralac, raw saurkraut, raw milk, and for a few months raw milk kefir. The kefir gave me dandruff, but the bacteria in it did something good.. because even when I stopped and the dandruff went away, the digestive results stuck. Even now, it's been almost a month without any probiotic except for raw milk and my digestion is perfect still. Better than it's ever been. So these things do get better and you can even significantly decrease your dosage after time.

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on November 29, 2011
at 01:48 AM

Interesting. I read somewhere (can't find the article now) that Primal Defense contains something which detoxifies metals and could cause a nasty die off in some people. I really have to find that article.

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244e1f82efb3fd15d2da39397488fb24

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on November 28, 2011
at 06:18 PM

Sounds like you need to go on a colon cleanse. I would also look into other possibilities like parasites or allergies, or supplementing digestive enzymes for starches. I remember the first time I drank kefir, I had the runs, and I had a lot of bowel pain. I assume because it resulted in a detox. I continued drinking it and after a while it no longer had that effect. Now, I drink it and I feel good.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on November 28, 2011
at 07:58 PM

Yeah, I read that kefir is "feel good" in Turkish and that's how I feel when I drink it.

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