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Low Histamine + Paleo = tricky. Stop b-vitamins and probiotics?

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Created May 22, 2012 at 7:37 PM

I'm trying to clear up what I think is a histamine provoked skin rash.

I do know about which foods contain histamine, and which ones encourage histamine to be released.

Question:


Should I discontinue my b-complex vitamin supplement because of any histamine issues (if there are any)?

and

Should I discontinue my jarrow probiotic supplements because of any histamine issues?

Any issues with coconut oil and histamines?

Thanks,

Mike

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on January 27, 2013
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All this health and food stuff is really tricky. I'm trying to resolve sneezing fits (which is classic histamine reaction) and chronic tension headaches (which I initially thought were related, but maybe not). Interestingly the tyramine rich food list overlap very much with the histamine-rich food list. Tyramine is something migraine sufferers are always told to avoid.

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on May 23, 2012
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I would very much recommend this book. Go figure, since going paleo I happened to switch to all HIGH-histamine staples: daily avocado, several bananas, bone broth with Vinegar (a no-no), lots of slow cooking (not a great idea). It was handy to have the food lists, and other info in one handy place. So glad I was able to buy & download the kindle version and not have to wait for the paperback!

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on May 23, 2012
at 03:03 AM

No problem. I am curious now about the relation between histamine and B vitamins. I'll have to do some more research.

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on May 23, 2012
at 02:59 AM

Multiple studies have shown that probiotics directly increase DAO activity in the intestines.

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on May 22, 2012
at 09:56 PM

Thanks Kelly. I'm pretty good with the lists and appreciate your additional resources! Mike

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on May 22, 2012
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I thought I read somewhere that the b-vitamins are produced via a fermentation process, and that folks trying to avoid ferments might want to avoid the b's. As to probiotics, it just sounded like it might be related to fermentation (just a wild guess on my part), so I figured I'd ask. I didn't hear anything bad about coconut oil but figured I'd ask since I recently switch to nearly 100% coconut oil as a fat source. Thanks again for your very good answer! Mike

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on May 22, 2012
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Why would you discontinue either of those supplements? I don't know anything about your B complex, so I can't speak to whether it would or would not affect your histamine levels. Why do you think it might?

As for proboitics, from everything I've learned, histamine is broken down by diamine oxidase, which is created in the intestinal mucosa. Studies have shown that probiotics actually increase the DAO activity/concentration in the intestines. So probiotics should be good unless they have some bad ingregients.

As for coconut oil, it does not have significant histamine content. Fat has also been shown to incrase DAO activity in the intestines. Coconut oil also has some antimicrobial properties, though. But it tends to digest differently than other fats. I would see if you seem to react to it and make the call for yourself.

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on May 23, 2012
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No problem. I am curious now about the relation between histamine and B vitamins. I'll have to do some more research.

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on May 22, 2012
at 09:55 PM

I thought I read somewhere that the b-vitamins are produced via a fermentation process, and that folks trying to avoid ferments might want to avoid the b's. As to probiotics, it just sounded like it might be related to fermentation (just a wild guess on my part), so I figured I'd ask. I didn't hear anything bad about coconut oil but figured I'd ask since I recently switch to nearly 100% coconut oil as a fat source. Thanks again for your very good answer! Mike

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on May 22, 2012
at 11:02 PM

I wouldn't use a b-complex, since people who have high histamine levels usually have high levels of for example folate, b-6 is a different story though, and it's beneficial for most people with histamine problems.

For me, as a histadelic, probiotics are a definite no. And, probiotics don't do much for the flora anyway.

The thing that has helped me most, has actually been a low (ish) protein diet, with emphasis on fruit, tubers, stuff like that, with some fresh meat, and fish, and some cheese (edam, which is low in histamine, but high in tyramine, some people can't handle tyramine either). No ferments, no old food etc.

You might react differently to a lower protein diet, but for me it's the most important thing in keeping my histamine levels normal.

Best of luck to you, I hope your rash clears quickly!

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on May 23, 2012
at 02:59 AM

Multiple studies have shown that probiotics directly increase DAO activity in the intestines.

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on May 22, 2012
at 09:33 PM

When my food allergies were at its worse, I was told to not eat anything left over, reheated, even if it was same day or next day because the minute they are prepared, they start developing/growing? histamines.....

here are a couple links I found by googling foods rich in histamines:

http://histame.com/histamine-rich-foods-substances

http://www.livestrong.com/article/76958-histamine-rich-foods/

http://www.allergyuk.org/common-food-intolerances/histamine-intolerance

you could google it and find plenty of lists....

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on May 22, 2012
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Thanks Kelly. I'm pretty good with the lists and appreciate your additional resources! Mike

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on January 27, 2013
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Thanks, Mike for that great recommendation on Kindle -- I just ordered it : )

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on January 27, 2013
at 06:54 PM

All this health and food stuff is really tricky. I'm trying to resolve sneezing fits (which is classic histamine reaction) and chronic tension headaches (which I initially thought were related, but maybe not). Interestingly the tyramine rich food list overlap very much with the histamine-rich food list. Tyramine is something migraine sufferers are always told to avoid.

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on May 22, 2012
at 09:53 PM

I just found this book, which I purchased and started reading an hour ago:

What HIT me? Living with Histamine Intolerance: A guide to diagnosis and management of HIT - A patient's point of view:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004PLNOBM/ref=kinw_myk_ro_title

Ironically, since going paleo, I made spinach, avocado & beef (all beef is aged) staples in my diet.

I'm very excited to test out the histamine hypothesis!

Mike

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on May 23, 2012
at 02:56 PM

I would very much recommend this book. Go figure, since going paleo I happened to switch to all HIGH-histamine staples: daily avocado, several bananas, bone broth with Vinegar (a no-no), lots of slow cooking (not a great idea). It was handy to have the food lists, and other info in one handy place. So glad I was able to buy & download the kindle version and not have to wait for the paperback!

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