The recent talk about the "old friends" theory has made me think about this.
One of the groups of old friends is in soil, and people who live around dirt get less immune issues.
Aparently some intestinal worms may help immune issues, but that seems risky and extreme to me, there are plenty of negatives and risks to that tack. Save that kind of craziness for the desperate and super sick.
I recently, sadly had to go on a couple of week course of anti-biotics (bout two-three months ago) :/ My digestion as always been a bit out of wack, but avoiding starch and fodmaps takes care of most of my issues, symptom wise. However it aint entirely right yet either....
On one hand I am still doing gelatin and such to get my gut mucosa to repair, which is helping and may take lots of time but I am long term increasingly considering this bacterial angle, despite the fact that two or three species probiotics did nothing beneficial for me at all, and caused a little bit of a reaction.
These are my ideas so far, please help me sort this out, and let me know what you think are the best options for repopulation of gut bacteria especially if you have some understanding of what little science we understand about it!
Kefir seems to be much much richer than the majority of probiotics. Some people seem to swear by it. But id prefer not to ingest any galactose or lactose if possible, or fodmaps or sugars/carbs of any kind. Big ask for a live culture maybe..... Does kefir have these? What is water kefir exactly? What are peoples experiences with kefir?
This stuff claims to have soil based micro-organisms. I beleive some of the important "old friends" in the old friends theory were soil based. Has anyone tried this stuff, or know anything about the bacteria they may contain? Consider me intrigued.
- Super complex , well designed pro-biotics? Something light years ahead of probiotic yogurts, and free of lactose etc even? Anyone with any stirling probiotic suggestions would be much appreciated too.
Are any other ideas on a more comprehensive way to restore gut bacteria without doing crazy stuff like eating dirt and ingesting parasitic worms? Its sad that theres nothing without the whole 500 or so species of gut bacteria, in perfect balance (science doesnt even know how to culture most of the stuff in our gut)
Also it would seem with an overactive immune system, and health issues, that youd probably want to start really small with the freindly bacteria, ultra low doses. If I do go down this route, hopefully with a much more comprehensive plan than chucking down a local store brought probiotic, what are some tips to avoid your system chucking a hissy?
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on July 07, 2012
at 06:55 AM
Wow. So much info here, and good Questions.
You are asking more trouble, IMO, with dirt and worms... how would you really know what you are getting!? YIKES.
Besides Kefir (and there is one person on here, Eugenia, I think who has a website and recipes for Goat milk kefir. Lots of great info.) how about fermented foods like are used in GAPS Diet www.gapsdiet.com
And while you might need to start small, I personally would not waste ANY time in restoring my GI tract after two weeks of antibiotic. I honestly do not understand your reasoning here, makes no sense to me - "... it would seem with an overactive immune system, and health issues, that youd probably want to start really small with the freindly bacteria, ultra low doses."
I would use (and have used) a lot of probiotics for a full "restoration" (450bill twice a day for 10 days) and it was very successful. I personally used a combination of Klaire Labs, Ther-Biotic Complete and VSL3.
Good luck to you.
ADDED: Eugenia has a lot of good info. Here is her blog and recipes. I hope you will get an answer from her! http://eugenia.queru.com/category/recipes/
on July 07, 2012
at 04:19 PM
Yes studies show that farmers and families that have animals have less allergies and immune issues in general. My solution is that we as a family have pets. I eat food directly from my home garden without washing it. I also do a "wild fermentation" of varieties of foods and lacto-ferment different veggies. Skip the probiotic by pill route IMO.
In fact it seems you may like this book http://www.amazon.com/Wild-Fermentation-Flavor-Nutrition-Live-Culture/dp/1931498237 Speaks to the issue of ingesting and making part of yourself the little critters that are in your local environment.