So, I know this isn't a strictly Paleo question but...
After years of heavy antibiotics due to an immune deficiency, my gut was a mess. Paleo helped immensely (in curing the deficiency as well as my bloaty gassy constipated self)and VLC and ZC helps even more. But I still always have a 'large intestine bloat', and I've tried many probiotics- from Natren to kefir, the only thing that helps a little is Garden of Life's with HSOs (homeostatic soil organisms). But the bloat persists...
Now... All this talk of 'fecal transplants' (gasp!) has caught my attention- not so much because I want to do it but because it made me realize how many strains of intestinal flora you CAN'T get from a pill. What to do?...
Eat dirt? From what I've read, the cause of Geophagy is not fully understood, but a possibility is gut health. The little help that the probiotics with HSOs is has made me consider it even more. Does dirt have beneficial bacteria for humans? Has anyone done so? In what form? Can I go to the organic farm and grab some when they're not looking? Clay? Pills? Thoughts? Experiences?
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on June 27, 2011
at 11:29 AM
I'm interested in this too. I've been working on rebuilding my gut flora in the ways Dr Ayers suggests- not being too scrupulous about washing organic veg, etc. Also as much probiotic foodstuffs as possible. Logically though it does seem like soil should be the richest and most diverse source of organisms. However, the issue with going out the back yard with a spoon is that you don't know what else is in the soil, ie parasites, pathogenic bacteria, etc. I must stress that I haven't tried this and it is pure speculation, but I've been wondering if, given that bacteria in soil would be dynamic and parasites might tend to be static, a way round the parasite issue at least could be to innoculate some 'clean' soil (maybe heat treated in the oven?) with some fresh organic compost, leaving it to repopulate, and then eating the resulting dirt. The mixture obviously could not be stirred and you would have to put the culture at the bottom of the container and eat from the top, otherwise you might still be ingesting the parasite eggs. Once again this is total speculation and maybe would not work, but I'd be interested in anyone's opinion!
on June 06, 2011
at 08:30 PM
I hope someone here has the background to answer this intelligently. I do not. First of all, even with fecal implants, how do they determine that the donor has all the healthy bacteria? A lot of good bacteria comes from mother's breast milk (I made sure that my children got breast fed for 3 years of their life) however, what if the mother does not have a broad array of "good" bacteria.
I suspect the science on this is rather new. I read a book about a two months ago, called Bacteria for Breakfast, by a Professor of Pharmacology at Penn State. It was very enlightening and basically she suggests rotating different probiotics, not using anti-bacterial soaps (etc), and, of course, avoiding antibiotics unless absolutely necessary.
on June 07, 2011
at 06:44 AM
long history of using clays to heal, also bathing in hot springs, lakes etc with very fertile soil, old growth forests, etc...
on June 06, 2011
at 08:29 PM
i had a vegan friend who never washed the vege she grew herself because dirt was suppose to have b12 in it. i have no idea if that is true.
i guess if it was your own dirt and you knew it was contaminant free; lots of kids have survived eating worms.
on March 08, 2014
at 12:04 AM
Sure, manured soil is quite rich in B12. How would you explain all those ancestral vegetarian populations that show no sign of deficiency?
on May 14, 2013
at 10:50 PM
To answer above B12 can be found in soil: "Only bacteria and archaea have the enzymes required for its synthesis, although many foods are a natural source of B12 because of bacterial symbiosis. The vitamin is the largest and most structurally complicated vitamin and can be produced industrially only through bacterial fermentation-synthesis."