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Digestive Enzymes and Probiotics?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created September 17, 2011 at 9:25 PM

What types should I use and what brands are best?

The entire act of digestion is hard on me, especially with meats. Anyway, what would you all recommend?

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

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on September 20, 2011
at 04:37 AM

Forgot to add Biotics Beta-TCP, so slap another $70 on the above figure. There was a cool thing on PBS today suggesting one aim for 15 billion organisms/serving to really improve gut flora. I think most probiotics I've seen at the health food store only have about 2 billion/serving, so that might explain why adding probiotics in general might be ineffectual, not enough critters.

Ea776df66c8277321b167e2ee3f22574

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on September 18, 2011
at 10:18 PM

What kind of harm did the probiotics cause you? Just curious!

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on September 18, 2011
at 10:36 AM

Keep us updated with your journey, Namby Pamby. I had the exact same experience, cutting out eggs didn't help. I might try reducing fiber and increasing salt. I notice my diet is really lacking in salt. Probiotics always help once, but after that they don't do anything anymore.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on September 18, 2011
at 10:34 AM

I don't like it. It did nothing for me. What fermented foods do you make?

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

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on September 18, 2011
at 09:26 AM

I took Theramedix DGX, PRX, CDX, and AMS (some taken upon waking, with meals or between meals depending on the directions). Biotics Betaine plus HP (this one did wonders for my ability to digest meat). Each bottle cost about $35 dollars, and lasted about a month, so about $350 total for the 2 months (plus my normal $50 worth of supplements). It seemed like a huge amount of cash to drop with a barista salary, but it got me my head and productivity back. I guess compared to what prescription meds and doctor appointments were costing, it has probably paid for itself many times over by now.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 18, 2011
at 09:01 AM

BTW, what pills did you take ?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 18, 2011
at 09:01 AM

Thx for sharing, this story rules out placebo for me .

5e36f73c3f95eb4ea13a009f4936449f

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on September 18, 2011
at 02:59 AM

Depending on the brand, not all make it past the stomach. Once they do, they enter a hostile environment where the other bacteria in your guy try and take them out. So you're essentially giving them reinforcements on an ongoing basis.

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

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on September 18, 2011
at 02:01 AM

I have on all accounts (eliminating constipation, better BM's and all that good stuff). I guess everyone is different :( Until you can get your constipation sorted out, try taking Miralax (osmotic laxative) for a couple of days. All it does is draw water to your colon which makes for a softer BM. No oils, sennacides or other dependency-causing ingredients involved.

072fd69647b0e765bb4b11532569f16d

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on September 17, 2011
at 11:11 PM

I also like the NOW product that doesn't require refridgeration when I am travelling. Nice post. Thanks.

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6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

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on September 18, 2011
at 08:43 AM

Just before I figured out the paleo thing, I turned my messed up body over to a good nutritionist for help who hooked me up with a successful, albeit pricey protocol using prescription grade digestive enzymes, probiotics, and natural soil organisms. I believe most of them were by Theramedix and Biotics.

I was popping something like 12 pills a day for 2 months, and questioning through a lot of it if I was just flushing my money down the toilet. But, boy howdy, after that 2 months I was a new woman! I don't know if I really had disbiosis, leaky gut, or the dreaded and controversial "candida overgrowth" that were diagnosed, but I lost all sugar cravings after about 6 weeks, and had to cut my thyroid dose in half a month after I finished, so something was definitely resolved. Digestion improved dramatically too.

The most profound change came as a bit of a shock, I hadn't noticed previously how all of those little food cravings caused a background static in my mind, making me mentally exhausted before even getting to the other stuff I'd rather be thinking about, that is, until they went silent. It was like I had learned to meditate without learning to meditate, glorious silence.

For maintenance I now take Vitamineral Green for NSO's and probiotics every couple of days, and eat sauerkraut or kim chi whenever I remember to put them on the plate, at least every 3-4 days.

It was an expensive and time consuming protocol to go through. Even though I very much liked the results, if I had it all to do over again, I think I'd make a barrel of sauerkraut, and include it at every meal for 3 months before deciding whether to move on to the pricier supplements.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on September 18, 2011
at 09:01 AM

BTW, what pills did you take ?

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on September 18, 2011
at 09:26 AM

I took Theramedix DGX, PRX, CDX, and AMS (some taken upon waking, with meals or between meals depending on the directions). Biotics Betaine plus HP (this one did wonders for my ability to digest meat). Each bottle cost about $35 dollars, and lasted about a month, so about $350 total for the 2 months (plus my normal $50 worth of supplements). It seemed like a huge amount of cash to drop with a barista salary, but it got me my head and productivity back. I guess compared to what prescription meds and doctor appointments were costing, it has probably paid for itself many times over by now.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on September 18, 2011
at 09:01 AM

Thx for sharing, this story rules out placebo for me .

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on September 20, 2011
at 04:37 AM

Forgot to add Biotics Beta-TCP, so slap another $70 on the above figure. There was a cool thing on PBS today suggesting one aim for 15 billion organisms/serving to really improve gut flora. I think most probiotics I've seen at the health food store only have about 2 billion/serving, so that might explain why adding probiotics in general might be ineffectual, not enough critters.

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on September 17, 2011
at 10:04 PM

Source Naturals Betaine HCl (2-4/meal)

Now Digest Platinum (2 per meal)

And a few probiotics:

Now Gr8Dophilus (almost the same as Jarrow EPS but much cheaper. just as effective. shelf stable. perfect for travel)

Now Foods, Probiotic-10 50 Billion, 50 Veggie Caps(requires refrigeration but excellent formula)

I also occasionally have used Ohhira

Having said that, I'm pretty much off probiotics as I'm making refermented foods. And I'm following Kresser's advice from his GERD series.

072fd69647b0e765bb4b11532569f16d

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on September 17, 2011
at 11:11 PM

I also like the NOW product that doesn't require refridgeration when I am travelling. Nice post. Thanks.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on September 18, 2011
at 10:34 AM

I don't like it. It did nothing for me. What fermented foods do you make?

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072fd69647b0e765bb4b11532569f16d

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on September 17, 2011
at 09:33 PM

Digestion has difficult for me as well. I take Jarro probiotics, basically because that's what Robb Wolf had suggested in some of his posts and podcasts. I haven't tried others as it has seemed to work for me. I also tried NOW Super Enzymes based on Wolf's recommendation but have moved to betaine HCl and have found success there. I use less of each now than when I first started taking them, which indicates some gut healing has perhaps happend for me.

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on September 18, 2011
at 03:53 PM

NOW super enzymes are the best and cleanest I've found. They helped me when I was having issues, take one before, one during and one after a meal until you start to see some relief. Maybe in a couple weeks you'll note some difference. I've backed off them now as my system seems to be working better again,

Probiotics do more harm than good for me, I guess that depends on your system to see if you need it or not.

Ea776df66c8277321b167e2ee3f22574

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on September 18, 2011
at 10:18 PM

What kind of harm did the probiotics cause you? Just curious!

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on September 18, 2011
at 02:19 AM

I have something called "Udo's Best", kept it in my freezer since about a year ago when I thought my problems were due to digestion (they weren't), now I took them out again and tried them again for the heck of it, just to see what happens (nothing), so I don't know anything about the subject but I do have a question.

How come yourebsupposed to take one with every meal? I mean, if they allegedly restore your gastroflora balance or whatever, shouldn't one pill be enough? or just one day's worth? Like sourdough starter or cheese culture or something. You don't have to keep throwing that stuff in you dough or your cheese, just one dollop to plant the seed. What makes these probiotics different?

5e36f73c3f95eb4ea13a009f4936449f

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on September 18, 2011
at 02:59 AM

Depending on the brand, not all make it past the stomach. Once they do, they enter a hostile environment where the other bacteria in your guy try and take them out. So you're essentially giving them reinforcements on an ongoing basis.

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3c6b4eed18dc57f746755b698426e7c8

on September 18, 2011
at 01:51 AM

Has anyone actually experienced better digestion, elimination of constipation (or diarrhea), better bowel movement, or anything at all taking digestive enzymes or pre/probiotics?

I've tried a dozen probiotic brands and 3 different digestive enzymes.

Nothing. Nada. I initially felt something strange in my intestines which became a cramp. I got all excited because I thought the good gut bacteria is vanquishing those pesky bad bacteria! But aside from that sensation, which immediately went away, I never felt anything. No change at all in digestion, constipation, bowel movement or anything for that matter. (I was taking it for chronic constipation). But I never had any problem with digestion anyway; it was always my constipation.

I guess that just means I don't have dysbiosis (disbacteriosis) and I need to look elsewhere to solve constipation.

I am beginning to think that for some people, probiotics and digestive enzymes act like a placebo.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on September 18, 2011
at 10:36 AM

Keep us updated with your journey, Namby Pamby. I had the exact same experience, cutting out eggs didn't help. I might try reducing fiber and increasing salt. I notice my diet is really lacking in salt. Probiotics always help once, but after that they don't do anything anymore.

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on September 18, 2011
at 02:01 AM

I have on all accounts (eliminating constipation, better BM's and all that good stuff). I guess everyone is different :( Until you can get your constipation sorted out, try taking Miralax (osmotic laxative) for a couple of days. All it does is draw water to your colon which makes for a softer BM. No oils, sennacides or other dependency-causing ingredients involved.

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