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thoughts on Don of Primal Wisdom Series...

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created June 09, 2011 at 4:22 PM

http://donmatesz.blogspot.com/2011/06/fat-balance-versus-energy-balance.html

anyone wanna hack at the promoted lowfat evolutionary diet?

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on July 20, 2011
at 04:51 PM

Namby Pamby - I think Richard explained very well how we are not 'misunderstanding'. Don's approach in his 'farewell' message was sleazy and there's something very unsettling about it. I seriously cannot imagine following that guy anymore. Jules - I haven't read her blog. Does it really say she has a "groovy sphincter"? lol.

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on July 20, 2011
at 12:56 PM

Holy TMI Batman! I was peeking at her blog, and I'm totally cool with a little poop talk here and there, but her groovy sphincter and their lustrous macrobiotic sex life is a bit much! :/

3c6b4eed18dc57f746755b698426e7c8

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on July 20, 2011
at 04:39 AM

Can you call Ornish Paleo? Can you call a plant-based diet with minimal meat consumption Paleo? If so, Paleo is truly a big tent. But most plant-based diet gurus will be surprised to be included in the mix. Because so far Paleo drew the line w/fat: you're afraid of SAFA, you're not Paleo. It has become rather liberal with protein and carbs. But if you define it to be just whole foods, well, then, of course ... even the Surgeon General is Paleo.

3c6b4eed18dc57f746755b698426e7c8

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on July 20, 2011
at 04:36 AM

You guys misunderstand Don's change of heart. Paleo has generally tolerated high carb as long as the carb source was tubers, which predate agriculture. Tolerance though does not extend to legumes and soy, which Don has embraced. Low fat is also not a Paleo trademark, since low fat is associated with plant-based whole food gurus like McDougall, Fuhrmann, Ornish, Pritikin, and others. That is in fact what Don has embraced. He's not just high-carb Paleo. He's gone high carb / low-fat w/legumes, soy & low fat. His is actually very close to Ornish, who is low-fat but favors eating some meat.

1f8384be58052b6b96f476e475abdc74

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on July 20, 2011
at 12:37 AM

yes but welcome to the future, we have seasons now...

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on July 19, 2011
at 11:01 PM

@Shari though I disagree with don, I think you're spot on

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on July 19, 2011
at 10:46 PM

Where are species evolved there weren't 4 seasons, animal food was always available and could be captured many ways for humans who can see in color and see up high.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on July 19, 2011
at 10:01 PM

Blimey! This is exactly what I was thinking when I wrote the following post. http://paleohacks.com/questions/44786/don-matesz-the-impact-of-farewell-to-paleo/45107#45107. You articulated it here much better than I did. You NAILED it Richard. You absolutely nailed it.

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on July 19, 2011
at 09:52 PM

Wild African mammals are low in body fat?? LOL. Cite please!

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on July 19, 2011
at 09:50 PM

Paul says that a certain amount of protein and carb is necessary (and fat) but if your diet is high in fat then you need to drop the fat, not because there is something wrong with fat but that is the only macronutrient you can drop any further.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on July 19, 2011
at 09:27 PM

Geez, kookfest blog is right. Guess she's Don's Yoko Ono.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on July 19, 2011
at 09:24 PM

Yeah, I found the title "Farewell to Paleo" a bit misleading. It should have been "Farewell to My Low-Carb Version of Paleo". The first one gets more page views, I guess. I'm interested to see if Don presents any truly controversial points at the symposium. He has definitely put out some well-researched posts in the past (saturated fat bashing notwithstanding).

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

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on June 12, 2011
at 04:13 PM

Thought this was interesting. http://thefoodway.blogspot.com/search/label/Why%20the%20food%20way%3F. Seems the wife-to-be was getting fat (and as we all know there is nothing worse than having a fat wife) and all of the sudden he finds low-fat Jesus? Just thought it was....interesting.

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on June 12, 2011
at 02:16 PM

@Alex: While this is your experience, I on the other hand did high carb, low carb and everything in between and it didn't make any differnce at all for my energy, body composition or performance. Plenty of healthy people can do fine on higher carbs. In the end I think it is highly individual and whenevery someone tries to talk me into certain "optimal" ratios, be it high carb or low carb, I RUN :)

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on June 12, 2011
at 02:02 PM

theories are awesome to discuss......we need to probe to good bad and ugly in them all. I dont dismiss anyone because science is littered with theories thrown away that came thru big time. See Judah Folkman, Einstein, Yudkin, The Wright brothers, Peter Mitchell and I could go on.......If they are wrong so what. Its far better to share ideas that may be worth sharing then keeping them quiet. Because if they are correct they could help the human race.

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on June 11, 2011
at 03:04 PM

janssushibar...im not exactly hacking at people 100lbs overweight, but the younger generation who is just trying to be healthy

91c2e2a35e578e2e79ce7d631b753879

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on June 11, 2011
at 01:11 AM

Mallory, I'm over 100 pounds overweight and 48 years old. I've spent an entire lifetime eating a high carb, low fat diet and it has gotten me nowhere but obese. Eating a controlled carbohydrate diet with a *moderate* amount of fat has allowed me to lose 30 pounds, and I'm continuing to lose. Do I think it's normal for ME to feel badly and cease to lose weight if I eat more than 60 grams of carbohydrate? Yes, I do. One diet does not fit all, despite what Don of Primal Wisdom, you or the "Perfect Health Diet" may claim.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on June 11, 2011
at 01:06 AM

I like your answer. I too enjoy seeing people amend their views. Myself included, many in the LC VLC community have after years of avoiding carbs find themselves in a bad place.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on June 11, 2011
at 01:04 AM

That's the perfect diet?! Holy smokes, 15% protein?! Very very low I'd say. Maybe for non active sedentary people that'll suffice to exist. You could for sure get by on that but thats paltry for anything trying to get stronger. Many always speak about the fear of fat but there is also widespread protein-phobia, too. And it's here among us too

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on June 10, 2011
at 08:59 PM

15% protein, 20% carbohydrate and 65% fat, of course it's not like The Zone where you have to be obsessive about it.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on June 10, 2011
at 07:30 PM

What do the perfect health diet people say is the ideal ratio ?

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on June 10, 2011
at 06:45 PM

It does seem like a bit of a knee-jerk reaction from anyone who does something like a 30% protein 60% fat, 10% carb diet, finds that they're not doing so well after a little while and then decides to overeact. The Perfect Health Diet ratios work splendidly, indefinitely. Anyway I stopped reading when he tried to convince us that eating fat increases platelet aggregation. Which fat, Don? The saturated fats that have nothing to do with it or the omega-6 fats that are the precursors to thromboxanes? Sheeeeeesh. He's using the ol' distort their tissue HUFA and blame saturated fat trick. No thanks.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on June 10, 2011
at 05:48 PM

I haven't read the post but I been completely paleo with 40/40/20 split of protein carb fat for a while and love it. Lots of paleo folk say it's low-fat but I just prioritize protein and ca obj that's for recovery and performance. Then fat for the remainder of a day's calories. That anything like what Don is saying? Works very well for me.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

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on June 09, 2011
at 08:48 PM

I don't think he's got it quite right but I am happy to see some momentum given to the fat pendulum swinging back the other direction just a bit. I don't think having butter and CO dripping down your arm is probably the way to go about things and that's pretty much been the standard paleo recommendation for a while. As with carbs I think it will come down a wide range of acceptable intake (40%-80+%?) based on personal goals/health issues, taste preferences. At least that's what I'm hoping for.

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on June 09, 2011
at 06:53 PM

this might interest you. http://paleohacks.com/questions/37766/has-don-of-primal-wisdom-gone-bat-guano-crazy#axzz1OnzpNc6p

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on June 09, 2011
at 05:11 PM

Nice question. Should stimulate a good discussion. Plus one

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on June 09, 2011
at 05:11 PM

Nice question. Should stimulate great discussin

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on June 09, 2011
at 05:02 PM

Wild animals in africa are generally very low body fat and hunting isn't always successful.

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on July 19, 2011
at 09:09 PM

I was going to do a whole post about this, but was unhappy with every draft and edit. I like the guy and I try not to crap on other paleoish bloggers because there's so many other targets anyway and why bicker over preferences?

But, he's presenting at AHS, as am I, and so I have postponed the post. Instead, I wrote a comment on my blog about my principle beef with Don's approach.

http://freetheanimal.com/2011/07/hang-gliding-is-so-macho-chicks-need-not-apply-dont-even-try.html#comment-74359

So after struggling with the draft of the post for days, not getting it where I wanted, I have decided to can it, owing to my realization today that Matesz is presenting at the Ancestral Health Symposium in early August, as am I. And I have confirmed he is still presenting.

Whether or not a post from me about his recent 180 degree reversal would in any way detract from the event I don???t know, but I don???t want to risk mucking it up for others, especially the organizers.

So, the post is postponed indefinitely. We???ll see what happens at AHS and I???ll go from there.

Here???s the principal gist of my heartburn with the matter.

  • Why not evolve within the context of a wider paleo paradigm rather than declare it extinct (???Farewell to Paleo)?

  • He did this for 14 years on himself and patients according to him, claims to have had lots of bad results, and???.he did this for 14 years? 14 years? 14 years!? Bad results for 14 years? ??????

  • I have myself drifted away from the obligatory low-carb influence in paleo, i.e., potatoes, fruit and now, some white rice. So in terms of carbs, still paleo. In terms of foods, mostly so, but why would I need to call ???Farewell??? to Paleo? And even if I did, why would I need to express it like??????well, I was wrong for 14 years but now I???m just as right as I asserted I was right during those 14 years and you are all wrong????

  • His style. If you look at his past Paleo posts he writes with the exact same authoritative style as he writes now. This goes to credibility.

  • He wrote the most absolutely absurd and laughably ridiculous (I mean knee slapping stupid ridiculous) post about how saturated fat, because it hardens at room temperature, increases blood viscosity (makes blood thicker). To add to that, he wrote that it???s ???simple physics.??? So when a physicist who teaches fluid mechanics put him in short pants, as well as Chis Masterjohn and Stephan Guyenet, guess what he did, after more than 80 comments, as I recall? He deleted the post and comments without a single whisper about it ??? as though it never happened. That makes me seriously question his character and honesty. I do have a PDF of that ignorant stupid post but have not decided whether to upload it so it can be linked. Chris M, however, saved about 70 of the comments.

http://www.facebook.com/notes/chris-masterjohn/comments-from-the-missing-physics-post/212743168746835

  • The fact that this major turnaround happened right after he married a kooky acupuncturist is just weird, to me. But maybe that???s just me. I got married my first time at 40, my wife too, at 41. We made a very small deal of it. I just find it bizarre that when older folks get married and especially when it???s 2nd or 3rd for both of them, they make a spectacle of it. Nobody fucking cares. Heres her kookfest blog.

http://thefoodway.blogspot.com/

  • I believe it was in his ???Farewell to Paleo??? post that one commenter pointed out exactly what I have, that he posted so authoritatively on paleo, high fat, and so on. The same commenter went on to post a number of authoritative quotes from past blog posts, using the same sorts of data and charts and such that Don s now using in his 180 degree reversal. Last I checked, those comments no longer exist. Unless I am mistaken, they were deleted.

I could probably list more things, but you get the idea. This is in no way about evolving Paleo, moving forward with new knowledge, experience, insight as I have done since getting over the original exuberance.

But I think Don wants to be seen as an authority, a teacher, a guru. Probably why he???s so into Eastern mysticism.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on July 19, 2011
at 09:27 PM

Geez, kookfest blog is right. Guess she's Don's Yoko Ono.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on July 19, 2011
at 09:24 PM

Yeah, I found the title "Farewell to Paleo" a bit misleading. It should have been "Farewell to My Low-Carb Version of Paleo". The first one gets more page views, I guess. I'm interested to see if Don presents any truly controversial points at the symposium. He has definitely put out some well-researched posts in the past (saturated fat bashing notwithstanding).

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on July 19, 2011
at 10:01 PM

Blimey! This is exactly what I was thinking when I wrote the following post. http://paleohacks.com/questions/44786/don-matesz-the-impact-of-farewell-to-paleo/45107#45107. You articulated it here much better than I did. You NAILED it Richard. You absolutely nailed it.

3c6b4eed18dc57f746755b698426e7c8

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on July 20, 2011
at 04:39 AM

Can you call Ornish Paleo? Can you call a plant-based diet with minimal meat consumption Paleo? If so, Paleo is truly a big tent. But most plant-based diet gurus will be surprised to be included in the mix. Because so far Paleo drew the line w/fat: you're afraid of SAFA, you're not Paleo. It has become rather liberal with protein and carbs. But if you define it to be just whole foods, well, then, of course ... even the Surgeon General is Paleo.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on July 20, 2011
at 04:51 PM

Namby Pamby - I think Richard explained very well how we are not 'misunderstanding'. Don's approach in his 'farewell' message was sleazy and there's something very unsettling about it. I seriously cannot imagine following that guy anymore. Jules - I haven't read her blog. Does it really say she has a "groovy sphincter"? lol.

3c6b4eed18dc57f746755b698426e7c8

(5152)

on July 20, 2011
at 04:36 AM

You guys misunderstand Don's change of heart. Paleo has generally tolerated high carb as long as the carb source was tubers, which predate agriculture. Tolerance though does not extend to legumes and soy, which Don has embraced. Low fat is also not a Paleo trademark, since low fat is associated with plant-based whole food gurus like McDougall, Fuhrmann, Ornish, Pritikin, and others. That is in fact what Don has embraced. He's not just high-carb Paleo. He's gone high carb / low-fat w/legumes, soy & low fat. His is actually very close to Ornish, who is low-fat but favors eating some meat.

24fcc21452ebe39c032be6801d6bbadd

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on July 20, 2011
at 12:56 PM

Holy TMI Batman! I was peeking at her blog, and I'm totally cool with a little poop talk here and there, but her groovy sphincter and their lustrous macrobiotic sex life is a bit much! :/

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1f8384be58052b6b96f476e475abdc74

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on July 19, 2011
at 09:35 PM

that is a money response!!! i would like however to see more paleo approaches of more starch/fruit/vegetables over store bought meat and fat. i cant afford grassfed and dont have freezer room. there is no good meat at markets here. i can get good eggs, thats it. i can get good vegs/fruit/starch but is this healthy or ideal? would one be better served with a different diet/llifestyle is protein requirements are met via store bought meat. Hunt Gather Love touched on it, but it has not been expanded on. it just doesnt make sense to me that a real paleo diet is not a seasonal diet depending on where your located.

when its 90+ degrees everday should you be eating rib eye with buttery eggs? should IF be seasonal as well? should you eat peaches when theyre not in season? eggs as well? beef is 'in season' in the fall and winter so should you eat it only then? so much is left unanswered with paleo when peopel focus on high fat low carb

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on July 19, 2011
at 10:46 PM

Where are species evolved there weren't 4 seasons, animal food was always available and could be captured many ways for humans who can see in color and see up high.

1f8384be58052b6b96f476e475abdc74

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on July 20, 2011
at 12:37 AM

yes but welcome to the future, we have seasons now...

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91c2e2a35e578e2e79ce7d631b753879

on June 10, 2011
at 06:39 PM

I'm not giving a lot of credence, frankly - at least, not as how "paleo" pertains to me; much of what he is writing does not jibe with my personal experience. If I eat a lot of starch, or any carbohydrate over about 50 or 60 grams a day, it will make me sluggish, cranky and halt any weight loss I may be experiencing dead in its tracks. However, while not fearing fat has been one of the nicest things about going paleo, I never took it to mean "drown your food in fat" and don't quite understand those who pour bacon grease and coconut oil all over everything or eat butter by itself. I'm simply happy to be able to cook with healthy fats and eat fattier cuts of grass-fed beef without worrying that I'm going to drop dead from coronary thrombosis.

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on June 09, 2011
at 06:27 PM

I really can't say that Don is wrong. But the counterbalance is in posts by Dr. Harris and Mark Sisson. I think more back and forth on this is needed. Certainly Don brings up some very interesting points, especially in this post:

http://donmatesz.blogspot.com/2011/05/who-said-paleo-diet-had-high-fat.html

Counters:

http://www.archevore.com/panu-weblog/2011/4/9/jousting-with-the-atlantic.html
http://www.archevore.com/panu-weblog/2011/4/5/wild-vs-grass-vs-grain-fed-ruminants.html

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/a-metabolic-paradigm-shift-fat-carbs-human-body-metabolism/

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

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on June 09, 2011
at 08:48 PM

I don't think he's got it quite right but I am happy to see some momentum given to the fat pendulum swinging back the other direction just a bit. I don't think having butter and CO dripping down your arm is probably the way to go about things and that's pretty much been the standard paleo recommendation for a while. As with carbs I think it will come down a wide range of acceptable intake (40%-80+%?) based on personal goals/health issues, taste preferences. At least that's what I'm hoping for.

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on July 19, 2011
at 11:01 PM

@Shari though I disagree with don, I think you're spot on

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on June 12, 2011
at 01:44 PM

After Don's egregiously stupid post about the melting point of fats (which he deleted after getting pwn'd in the comments), I don't have much faith in his grasp of science. Now he's saying stuff like this:

http://tinyurl.com/3f79fuf

Load up on rice and potatoes = Primal Wisdom? More like Conventional Wisdom.

For my physiology, his current recommendations are terrible. Before going paleo-ish low-ish carb and losing the excess weight, I used to eat a starchy, high-carb diet, and it made me fat and lethargic. Recently, I experimented with eating a small sweetpotato on gym days, 3 days per week, and it up-regulated my appetite to the tune of 2 pounds per week of unwanted weight gain. At this point, I can't take anything Don says seriously.

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on June 12, 2011
at 02:16 PM

@Alex: While this is your experience, I on the other hand did high carb, low carb and everything in between and it didn't make any differnce at all for my energy, body composition or performance. Plenty of healthy people can do fine on higher carbs. In the end I think it is highly individual and whenevery someone tries to talk me into certain "optimal" ratios, be it high carb or low carb, I RUN :)

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on June 12, 2011
at 02:02 PM

theories are awesome to discuss......we need to probe to good bad and ugly in them all. I dont dismiss anyone because science is littered with theories thrown away that came thru big time. See Judah Folkman, Einstein, Yudkin, The Wright brothers, Peter Mitchell and I could go on.......If they are wrong so what. Its far better to share ideas that may be worth sharing then keeping them quiet. Because if they are correct they could help the human race.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

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on June 12, 2011
at 04:13 PM

Thought this was interesting. http://thefoodway.blogspot.com/search/label/Why%20the%20food%20way%3F. Seems the wife-to-be was getting fat (and as we all know there is nothing worse than having a fat wife) and all of the sudden he finds low-fat Jesus? Just thought it was....interesting.

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on June 09, 2011
at 04:27 PM

I haven't read it, but anytime the the words low-fat and evolutionary diet are combined it just doesn't add up to me. Why would our ancestors have thrown out any port of the animal they worked so hard to kill. It's simple to me.....in order to survive, kill the biggest thing you can find and eat every last morsel that is edible over a period of time.

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on June 09, 2011
at 05:02 PM

Wild animals in africa are generally very low body fat and hunting isn't always successful.

26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

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on July 19, 2011
at 09:52 PM

Wild African mammals are low in body fat?? LOL. Cite please!

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on June 11, 2011
at 01:00 AM

and you think that is normal to have such a reaction? doesnt something seem wrong to be sluggish b/c you ate 50 measley grams of carbs??? im trying to start debate here and hack at it

even the perfect health diet says if you wanna drop body fat, drop the fat intake

i give him a lot of credit for living a VLC high fat diet for so long then changing his views so adamently and totally admitting he was wrong. hell, even when he initially added back sweet potatoes he admitted to a bad reaction(soon after the PHD blog started) but now that doesnt seem the case at all

just trying to understand what went so wrong(as someone who has blogged about VLC high fat eating, AKA longterm and now opposing what he use to promote

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on June 11, 2011
at 01:06 AM

I like your answer. I too enjoy seeing people amend their views. Myself included, many in the LC VLC community have after years of avoiding carbs find themselves in a bad place.

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on June 11, 2011
at 03:04 PM

janssushibar...im not exactly hacking at people 100lbs overweight, but the younger generation who is just trying to be healthy

91c2e2a35e578e2e79ce7d631b753879

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on June 11, 2011
at 01:11 AM

Mallory, I'm over 100 pounds overweight and 48 years old. I've spent an entire lifetime eating a high carb, low fat diet and it has gotten me nowhere but obese. Eating a controlled carbohydrate diet with a *moderate* amount of fat has allowed me to lose 30 pounds, and I'm continuing to lose. Do I think it's normal for ME to feel badly and cease to lose weight if I eat more than 60 grams of carbohydrate? Yes, I do. One diet does not fit all, despite what Don of Primal Wisdom, you or the "Perfect Health Diet" may claim.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on July 19, 2011
at 09:50 PM

Paul says that a certain amount of protein and carb is necessary (and fat) but if your diet is high in fat then you need to drop the fat, not because there is something wrong with fat but that is the only macronutrient you can drop any further.

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on June 10, 2011
at 05:49 PM

also worth noting...don had eaten high fat loooowww carb for a LONG time, and IFed as well....and has now changed his views 180 degrees(no pun on that site) lol, so he has been there done that with both sides...

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on June 11, 2011
at 01:04 AM

That's the perfect diet?! Holy smokes, 15% protein?! Very very low I'd say. Maybe for non active sedentary people that'll suffice to exist. You could for sure get by on that but thats paltry for anything trying to get stronger. Many always speak about the fear of fat but there is also widespread protein-phobia, too. And it's here among us too

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on June 10, 2011
at 07:30 PM

What do the perfect health diet people say is the ideal ratio ?

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on June 10, 2011
at 08:59 PM

15% protein, 20% carbohydrate and 65% fat, of course it's not like The Zone where you have to be obsessive about it.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on June 10, 2011
at 06:45 PM

It does seem like a bit of a knee-jerk reaction from anyone who does something like a 30% protein 60% fat, 10% carb diet, finds that they're not doing so well after a little while and then decides to overeact. The Perfect Health Diet ratios work splendidly, indefinitely. Anyway I stopped reading when he tried to convince us that eating fat increases platelet aggregation. Which fat, Don? The saturated fats that have nothing to do with it or the omega-6 fats that are the precursors to thromboxanes? Sheeeeeesh. He's using the ol' distort their tissue HUFA and blame saturated fat trick. No thanks.

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on June 10, 2011
at 05:45 PM

hmm... well i am curious about its effect on leptin.... glucose clearance and oxidation

does anyone here routinely eat as don lays out? 'enough' protein coupled with a lot of starch and least toxic carbs? this, coupled with lower fat(from nuts/eggs/fish) and eating the right food should actually optimize O3:6 ratios and rid the body of excess 06...

im confused as to whether it would be better served with an equal carb/protein split as the carbs need amino acids to do their thing, no?

to me, it has the potential to be healthy, especially for the younger paleo crowd simply because our hormones are signaling fertility and reproduction.

everything about low carb and higher fat makes sense to me when age is put into perspective. low carb 'should' ALWAYS works for people past their fertility years- it just makes sense with how the body ages

i also wonder about seasonal eating...

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on June 10, 2011
at 05:48 PM

I haven't read the post but I been completely paleo with 40/40/20 split of protein carb fat for a while and love it. Lots of paleo folk say it's low-fat but I just prioritize protein and ca obj that's for recovery and performance. Then fat for the remainder of a day's calories. That anything like what Don is saying? Works very well for me.

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