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Is anybody here against short-term prescription drug use?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created April 11, 2013 at 9:20 PM

I really hate the pharmacy but when I'm having a temporary pains or illness I just take the drugs and don't ask questions. My canker sore is so bad right now that my dr. gave me Vicodin.

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on April 13, 2013
at 01:36 AM

... (due in large part to our foolhardy actions with antibiotics in creating resistant strains, our crappy lifestyles and eating habits, and crowded cities and quick and common round the world transport that makes spreading such bugs easy) but things like HIV weren't even around before the 60's, so obviously there is no way to treat it with drugs of that era.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on April 13, 2013
at 01:34 AM

I'm not disagreeing with you that modern medicine has gone awfully awry in many ways and for the same money-grubbing reasons that you list. I agree with most all points that you make in defense of your original answer - but I don't agree that we should just throw out every drug that's been developed in the last thirty years for those reasons. Sure, some are bad and some are unnecessary and some are prescribed improperly - but I think we should look at the merits of the individual drug and the individual case, not make sweeping generalizations. Additionally, diseases themselves have changed...

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on April 13, 2013
at 12:42 AM

see healthy people? Just looking at the people on the street makes our health care problem very clear. Health care as we experience it today ISN'T WORKING! One of the MANY reasons is how BIGPharm has managed to squeeze MDs into a corner. I want them to have power to heal. As it stands, they don't have the power to choose from ALL the available tools/technology as many of the solutions used prior to the 1960s don't have "evidence based medicine" (in the form of journal articles) standing behind them. Therefore, the MDs MUST choose new and more expensive "tools". Like I said...read the book :)

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on April 13, 2013
at 12:38 AM

Nope, no reenactment. My doctoral research is on the use of ancient medical technologies in a modern world, so I DO know quite a bit about how far we've fallen. I hope to use my doctorate to teach young MDs and MBAs how to successfully navigate the world of medical research to find appropriate usage for old and new methodologies. But, getting back to my original comment - you might want to read the book that I suggested as it is a GREAT summary of where we've gone wrong. When you think that 20% of your tax dollars go to cover health care costs, are you happy? Do you look around and

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on April 12, 2013
at 06:50 PM

I didn't say iodine was unsafe or dangerous so laugh hysterically all you want at something I did not say. I said it didn't work in her case because if it had she wouldn't have almost died. Of course I know that politics are involved in the pharmaceutical industry and I agree that it's a bad thing. However, that doesn't mean that we should shun all newer medications because they are developed with tainted money from a corrupt industry. Whether you're reenacting the Paleolithic era or the Great Depression era, reenactment is silly.

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on April 12, 2013
at 12:35 PM

Laughs hysterically..Iodine is extremely safe. And I do understand worshiping science to a degree, as I started my career as a bench chemist at the Salk Institute. But, once you learn about the politic$ involved in research and publication, it becomes very clear the MBAs are driving scientific discovery, not the Ph.Ds.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on April 12, 2013
at 12:02 PM

I can't believe I actually agree with you. +1

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on April 12, 2013
at 12:00 PM

And obviously iodine didn't work. Your answer is still bad advice at best and dangerously deadly at worst. Science is not our enemy.

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on April 12, 2013
at 04:50 AM

I could barely talk, even drinking water was extremely painful...Dr. said it was the biggest one he's ever seen. It's seriously like 10X the size of a normal canker sore. I'm on vicodin & an oral paste now and i don't care...at least I can eat.

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on April 12, 2013
at 04:25 AM

Varelse - there is a reason I limited my comment to those drugs introduced in the last 30 years. Your examples don't apply. But, I'd be willing to bet Iodine would have been used for the strep throat.

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on April 12, 2013
at 03:59 AM

moonablaze: you're aware that vicodin is basically opium? Plus tylenol.

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on April 12, 2013
at 02:06 AM

the "old remedy" for this would be OPIUM. I'd rather take vicodin.

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on April 12, 2013
at 01:27 AM

Nope, didn't occur to me at all, but then I've had 100s in my lifetime (which thankfully I no longer have to deal with).

72cf727474b8bf815fdc505e58cadfea

on April 12, 2013
at 01:10 AM

Did it occur to you that the OP's canker sores might be more painful than the ones you had?

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on April 11, 2013
at 11:53 PM

That's funny, my aunt has a damaged heart from rheumatic fever and my mother nearly died from strep. My grandmother sure didn't know how to fix that. Maybe she was a dumb grandma?

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on April 11, 2013
at 11:50 PM

Topical pyridine, Travis.

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on April 11, 2013
at 11:43 PM

Yeah but my doc prescribed me Castratox for the sole purpose of shrinking my balls. What then, Marie? What then?!?!

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on April 11, 2013
at 11:08 PM

Crazy people on the internet? Unpossible!

72cf727474b8bf815fdc505e58cadfea

on April 11, 2013
at 10:15 PM

As far as I know, vicodin is actually one of the less controversial drugs out there. If you overdose on it you'll die, and if you take too much for too long you might become dependent (after weeks or months) or damage your liver (after years). But assuming you're not stupid, I don't think there's much to worry about! It's not going to damage your gut flora or mess with your hormones or give you cancer or anything like that.

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61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on April 11, 2013
at 09:48 PM

Someone here probably is. There are extremists, sometimes dangerous extremists, everywhere and of every flavor, including the Paleo diet/lifestyle variety.

If you need them, take them.

59fa7cd87fb9d669adf21e5cf3e7ada5

on April 11, 2013
at 11:08 PM

Crazy people on the internet? Unpossible!

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on April 12, 2013
at 04:30 AM

I kinda default to a "Use Medication Last" rule. Under the principle of minimizing the intake of artificial, chemical, and mystery substances.

Which is not to be confused with a "Do Not Medicate" or "Never Medicate" rule - clearly, for certain issues, modern medical treatment is the most appropriate treatment.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on April 12, 2013
at 12:02 PM

I can't believe I actually agree with you. +1

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72cf727474b8bf815fdc505e58cadfea

on April 11, 2013
at 10:17 PM

It's sometimes worth double-checking your doctor's opinion on specific drugs, but I definitely don't mind taking medications when they're likely to help.

Amusingly, I think vicodin is actually one of the less controversial drugs out there. If you seriously overdose it can kill you, and if you take too much for too long you might become dependent (after weeks or months) or damage your liver (after years). But assuming you're not stupid, I don't think there's much to worry about! It's not going to damage your gut flora or mess with your hormones or give you cancer or anything like that.

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on April 12, 2013
at 04:49 AM

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on April 12, 2013
at 03:09 AM

There was a posting on here a few days ago about coconut oil pulling for cankers might be a more natural remedy. I don't like taking drugs especially because I am celiac and with lots of investigation its amazing to see how many are not gluten free.

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on April 11, 2013
at 11:58 PM

Vicodin for a canker sore? C'mon, don't be a wimp!

To actually treat and heal canker sores, my dentist wrote Rxs for triamcinolone acetonide, a steriod oral paste. There's some pain relief just by using it, but they typically healed up in 1-2 days after starting use.

I have to say, since going paleo, I've gone from twice-montly canker sores to maybe 1 a year. Still have a tube of Triamcinolone just in case.

72cf727474b8bf815fdc505e58cadfea

on April 12, 2013
at 01:10 AM

Did it occur to you that the OP's canker sores might be more painful than the ones you had?

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on April 12, 2013
at 01:27 AM

Nope, didn't occur to me at all, but then I've had 100s in my lifetime (which thankfully I no longer have to deal with).

0b4326a4949718451a8571b82558dc10

(2349)

on April 12, 2013
at 04:50 AM

I could barely talk, even drinking water was extremely painful...Dr. said it was the biggest one he's ever seen. It's seriously like 10X the size of a normal canker sore. I'm on vicodin & an oral paste now and i don't care...at least I can eat.

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on April 11, 2013
at 11:04 PM

Read this book: Pharmageddon, then tell me you're OK with taking drugs, especially those developed in the last 30 years.

Plus, there is probably a more reliable "old remedy" for all that ails you. Your Grandma will know what to do and it won't kill your liver, cause migraines, or make your balls shrink.

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on April 12, 2013
at 02:06 AM

the "old remedy" for this would be OPIUM. I'd rather take vicodin.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on April 11, 2013
at 11:53 PM

That's funny, my aunt has a damaged heart from rheumatic fever and my mother nearly died from strep. My grandmother sure didn't know how to fix that. Maybe she was a dumb grandma?

Medium avatar

(4878)

on April 12, 2013
at 04:25 AM

Varelse - there is a reason I limited my comment to those drugs introduced in the last 30 years. Your examples don't apply. But, I'd be willing to bet Iodine would have been used for the strep throat.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on April 11, 2013
at 11:50 PM

Topical pyridine, Travis.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on April 13, 2013
at 01:34 AM

I'm not disagreeing with you that modern medicine has gone awfully awry in many ways and for the same money-grubbing reasons that you list. I agree with most all points that you make in defense of your original answer - but I don't agree that we should just throw out every drug that's been developed in the last thirty years for those reasons. Sure, some are bad and some are unnecessary and some are prescribed improperly - but I think we should look at the merits of the individual drug and the individual case, not make sweeping generalizations. Additionally, diseases themselves have changed...

Medium avatar

(4878)

on April 13, 2013
at 12:38 AM

Nope, no reenactment. My doctoral research is on the use of ancient medical technologies in a modern world, so I DO know quite a bit about how far we've fallen. I hope to use my doctorate to teach young MDs and MBAs how to successfully navigate the world of medical research to find appropriate usage for old and new methodologies. But, getting back to my original comment - you might want to read the book that I suggested as it is a GREAT summary of where we've gone wrong. When you think that 20% of your tax dollars go to cover health care costs, are you happy? Do you look around and

Medium avatar

(39821)

on April 11, 2013
at 11:43 PM

Yeah but my doc prescribed me Castratox for the sole purpose of shrinking my balls. What then, Marie? What then?!?!

Medium avatar

(4878)

on April 13, 2013
at 12:42 AM

see healthy people? Just looking at the people on the street makes our health care problem very clear. Health care as we experience it today ISN'T WORKING! One of the MANY reasons is how BIGPharm has managed to squeeze MDs into a corner. I want them to have power to heal. As it stands, they don't have the power to choose from ALL the available tools/technology as many of the solutions used prior to the 1960s don't have "evidence based medicine" (in the form of journal articles) standing behind them. Therefore, the MDs MUST choose new and more expensive "tools". Like I said...read the book :)

72cf727474b8bf815fdc505e58cadfea

on April 12, 2013
at 03:59 AM

moonablaze: you're aware that vicodin is basically opium? Plus tylenol.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on April 12, 2013
at 12:00 PM

And obviously iodine didn't work. Your answer is still bad advice at best and dangerously deadly at worst. Science is not our enemy.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on April 12, 2013
at 06:50 PM

I didn't say iodine was unsafe or dangerous so laugh hysterically all you want at something I did not say. I said it didn't work in her case because if it had she wouldn't have almost died. Of course I know that politics are involved in the pharmaceutical industry and I agree that it's a bad thing. However, that doesn't mean that we should shun all newer medications because they are developed with tainted money from a corrupt industry. Whether you're reenacting the Paleolithic era or the Great Depression era, reenactment is silly.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on April 13, 2013
at 01:36 AM

... (due in large part to our foolhardy actions with antibiotics in creating resistant strains, our crappy lifestyles and eating habits, and crowded cities and quick and common round the world transport that makes spreading such bugs easy) but things like HIV weren't even around before the 60's, so obviously there is no way to treat it with drugs of that era.

Medium avatar

(4878)

on April 12, 2013
at 12:35 PM

Laughs hysterically..Iodine is extremely safe. And I do understand worshiping science to a degree, as I started my career as a bench chemist at the Salk Institute. But, once you learn about the politic$ involved in research and publication, it becomes very clear the MBAs are driving scientific discovery, not the Ph.Ds.

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