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Paleo, a food avoidance diet

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 10, 2012 at 2:13 PM

I keep having this thought in my head, I don't know if its novel or not:

If you are not consuming liver/variety meats or bone broth in some form, then your version of paleo is really just an avoidance diet (you are cutting out certain foods and more meat/whatever is filling its spot), rather than a eating to really reach your full genetic potential.

Is this elitist? Have I lost my way to be thinking that a person following a 'paleo diet' only eating muscle meats isn't doing particularly well? Grass fed Organic Cow liver/kidney/heart/bonebroth/kangaroo mince combination/rotations is where I've settled, so what is your new standard in 'paleo' framework which you may have become narrow minded about?

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on June 12, 2012
at 09:54 AM

Yeah, much too much energy is spent trying to conform to "norms" that don't matter by sacrificing things that truly do matter.

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on June 12, 2012
at 09:52 AM

hey kiddo, glad to see u 2 :)

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on June 11, 2012
at 09:45 PM

@ ben1820- the voice of reason.

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on June 11, 2012
at 08:49 PM

raydawg! Haven't seen you in a while!

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on June 10, 2012
at 11:32 PM

I think that the true intention of the Paleo diet is that you learn to EXPERIMENT with yourself, rather than being fed information mindlessly. To learn to find your own health, for your own body. That's why you find so many people eating within the paleo spectrum who have different macronutrient ratios, can tolerate (and consume occasionally) legumes, grains, et cetera. The guidelines are set there to help you stabilize your body, and THEN from there, once you're healthier, you tweak it, listen to how your body responds, and so on.

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on June 10, 2012
at 07:41 PM

Are you trying to say that paleo should be seen as a diet that offers both a list of foods to avoid AND a list of foods to include? And that without consuming the foods on the inclusion list, the diet is incomplete?

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on June 10, 2012
at 04:57 PM

Ben, although I still avoid grains, I do eat legumes once a blue moon, and do diary pretty regularly. I think as long as you can tolerate these foods, its up to you to decide if you want to include in your diet, as with any other food you are there are both pros and cons. Example would be nuts. Sure I can tolerate, but the do have toxins/anti-nutrients/addictive/etc. For me paleo should not be about replicating cave man, instead seeing our diet through the perspective of what a human diet is (based on a paleo man), and applying to our modern lives with new foods and environment.

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on June 10, 2012
at 04:47 PM

Once I stopped thinking like that, "What would my neighbors think", I realized a lot of the things I did didn't even matter to me. Social pressure that we apply to ourselves can really restrict true happiness.

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on June 10, 2012
at 03:54 PM

Yeah the OP's wording is terrible. I don't understand the question.

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at 03:53 PM

I've been broadening my food choices actually. I avoided grains, legumes and dairy for over two years and it was fine. I liked it and felt great. One day I just thought I'm healthy and active - there's no reason to avoid those things. I incorporated them in their whole forms and continue I thrive. I'm not sucking down oat bran muffins etc but I am eating bowls of oatmeal, rice, sprouted spelt, buckwheat porridge, wasa type rye breads, nixtamal zed corn tortillas etc. I figure if you're healthy and have no stomach issues you should be able o eat anything that others can thrive on.

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on June 10, 2012
at 02:34 PM

And I grew up eating organ meats, so it's normal for me. I don't think the exclusion of them has anything to do with avoidance, per se. Many folk are eating paleo for awhile before they learn of the importance of eating more animal than just muscle meat.

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on June 10, 2012
at 02:31 PM

I definitely think that eating the whole animal is better for overall health, but I am finding the wording of your question confusing--maybe it's too early in the morning!

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on June 10, 2012
at 05:56 PM

I agree that to really optimize the diet one should be eating more organ meat and bone broths.

That being said, what is wrong with saying Paleo is an avoidance diet? Avoiding food is very powerful and effective tool in terms of weight loss and health.

Avoiding grains, legumes, etc, and limiting other foods that can have long terms of effects is reason enough to adopt the paleo diet over SAD.

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96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on June 10, 2012
at 02:50 PM

So what if it is? Why do you care about a silly thing like that? The real questions you should ask yourself is this: has your health improved? Has your capacity to exercise improved? Is your brain fog gone? Has you sleep improved? Is your sex life better? Have previous medical conditions improved or cleared?

Isn't that more important. Besides, that kind of mentality is something that Heinlein cautioned against many years ago: "What will the neighbors think?"

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on June 10, 2012
at 04:47 PM

Once I stopped thinking like that, "What would my neighbors think", I realized a lot of the things I did didn't even matter to me. Social pressure that we apply to ourselves can really restrict true happiness.

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on June 11, 2012
at 08:49 PM

raydawg! Haven't seen you in a while!

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on June 12, 2012
at 09:52 AM

hey kiddo, glad to see u 2 :)

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on June 12, 2012
at 09:54 AM

Yeah, much too much energy is spent trying to conform to "norms" that don't matter by sacrificing things that truly do matter.

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Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on June 10, 2012
at 02:34 PM

I definitely think that eating the whole animal is better for overall health, but I am finding the wording of your question confusing--maybe it's too early in the morning!

And I grew up eating organ meats, so it's normal for me. I don't think the exclusion of them has anything to do with avoidance, per se. Many folk are eating paleo for awhile before they learn of the importance of eating more animal than just muscle meat.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on June 10, 2012
at 03:54 PM

Yeah the OP's wording is terrible. I don't understand the question.

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on June 11, 2012
at 08:23 PM

Question for YOU: are you eating insects? :-)

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on June 11, 2012
at 07:00 PM

I think some people avoid eating offal and traditionally prepared bone broth for two main reasons:

  1. No experience with them -- they just simply wouldn't know how to cook them if they tried! (These people might be interested in incorporating these foods but are semi-clueless as to how to start.)
  2. Too weird!

Let me explain #2...

I think some people who come to Paleo already eat very, very differently from how they used to. (Vegans --> omnivores; extremely low fat diets --> using coconut oil, butter; crappy processed foods with ten-year shelf lives --> fresh, whole foods that actually go bad if you don't eat them.

For some folks, introducing things like heart, kidneys, liver, and bone marrow is just too much. (At least, in the U.S., where they're not part of our food culture. I think you might have a different story in France or parts of Asia.) Some people will migrate to eating them in time and some won't.

Six years ago, if you had told me I'd be making bone broth, eating bone marrow, eating hearts and livers, making my own kombucha and other ferments, I would have laughed you out of the room! (But first I would have asked what kombucha even is, hehheh.) I've come a LOOONG way, and I suspect a lot of others here have, too.

I think there are valid nutritional reasons for eating all the "odd bits," but I think the more important issue is that these are animals. Sentient beings that were raised and sacrificed to feed us. The least we can do is not throw half of them away like garbage. Chickens are more than boneless, skinless breasts. Cows are more than T-bone steaks, and pigs are more than pork loins and bacon. Nose-to-tail cooking seems like a luxury these days, and something for trendy, posh restaurants in chic cities, where they're seen as cutting-edge and interesting. The fact is, people used to eat these things because they couldn't afford to throw them out! This is why we have traditions of chicken feet (and heads!) in traditional Jewish chicken stock, or ham hocks in greens in the American South. These people wouldn't dream of letting that stuff go to waste. (Not to mention, I think our great-grandparents knew a little something about real food, health, and nutrition that we've forgotten over the years. Except they didn't think of it that way. They just knew what kept them well and robust, plain and simple.)

(And this is coming from a lifelong omnivore. I'm not especially ra-ra about animal rights, but eating closer to Paleo has certainly made me think more about these issues. We probably throw away more food than some other countries ever come close to producing. Either that, or we feed it to our pets!! I've seen some dog and cat foods with better ingredients than say, a Hostess cupcake!)

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on June 10, 2012
at 06:30 PM

All diets are, in one way or another, avoidance diets. Weight Watchers, for example, is geard towards avoiding a high calorie count generally. Atkins is about avoiding a high carbohydrate intake.

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on June 10, 2012
at 05:17 PM

My food choices are really only curbed by my financial realities. So, no, if I had the money, my food palette would be broader. Right now, it is rather limited, but not because I am avoiding food.

And I agree with raydawg, the more important consideration is my health, not what anyone else, Paleo or not, thinks of it.

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on June 10, 2012
at 05:38 PM

Well yes, it's an avoidance diet. But if it works, why not? If you incorporate dairy I think it's very very easy to stick to it.

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