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Keto Acids & Potatoes

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created April 08, 2012 at 7:39 AM

On one of the East West Healing Podcasts, Ray Peat talks about keto acids. He says they are great for the brain, and can easily be converted to amino acids.

As a therapeutic aid, he recommends centrifugal juicing of potatoes (to remove starch) and to cook the remaining liquid. This can be used as a therapeutic tool as it is high in keto acids.

Dr. Peat also mentions how he saw some people cure their problems with this in a matter of days. I don't remember what problems they were, but it was related to the brain.


My questions :

  • Did anyone try this out?
  • Is there a good recipe for this? I have no idea where to start.

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

(4090)

on April 16, 2012
at 03:38 PM

rashed -I thought Ray said to always cook the juice. I think the whole potato juice thing is just a big hassle. Also thanks for the sleep advice, but I have always slept great -Peat or no Peat. I agree with you about Ray being a genius. I am feeling so much better!!

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on April 15, 2012
at 06:12 PM

FYI keto-acids aren't ketones

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on April 15, 2012
at 06:11 PM

Nice cop out....

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18696)

on April 15, 2012
at 04:27 PM

Past experience leads me to believe that there is no point in getting into discourse with you, cliff.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on April 15, 2012
at 01:22 PM

According to that studies have been done that show protection from ketone bodies(injected most likely?). Where are the studies showing neuroprotection for average folks on keto diets? Why should we limit our diet to nearly zero carbs and risk other health complications instead of just fixing glucose metabolism which is the most neuroprotective thing you could do?

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

(1026)

on April 15, 2012
at 09:00 AM

Does it matter, LikesLardinMayo?

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

(1026)

on April 15, 2012
at 08:56 AM

The sugar and salt before bed improved my sleep tremendously, but ice cream works WAY better at the moment. And it's also very delicious. What's weird is that the ice cream seems to soothe my stomach, while I expected the opposite.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18696)

on April 12, 2012
at 07:34 PM

That's very interesting, Bruno.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18696)

on April 12, 2012
at 07:33 PM

Thanks for asking LLM, it's still in progress.

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

(1026)

on April 12, 2012
at 07:11 AM

I had very mild insomnia, but woke up multiple times during the night sweating and with a racing heartbeat. I still can't get rid of dark circles under my eyes, though increased calcium intake and sunlight both seem to help. What's interesting is that VLC was much, much worse than ZC, and you mentioned somewhere that the difference between 20g carbs and 5g carbs was very big for you. I think most of the problems I had on ZC where due to potassium and calcium loss. I constantly craved potassium-rich veggies.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on April 12, 2012
at 07:04 AM

Backyard chickens sound like an awesome idea. I need a garden :).

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 11, 2012
at 02:29 AM

Ambimorph - Did you ever start a blog?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 11, 2012
at 02:27 AM

Do you drink this with the salty OJ or separately?

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

(4090)

on April 10, 2012
at 08:32 PM

Oops. I missed that part! I thought the starch was the 'meat' of the potato. Haha! I have my soy-free eggs back and now I bought some backyard chickens, so I won't be likely to repeat the potato experiment any time soon! Those juicers are pretty pricey. I try to keep my money for espresso setup! :)

7bf306ada57db47547e9da39a415edf6

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on April 10, 2012
at 07:50 PM

From what I remember of the interview, you should have kept only the juice- the clay likely had starch in it. I occasionally go on amazon and look at the centrifugal juicers precisely because I want to try this- but it seems a high expense for something I might do once and not like.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on April 10, 2012
at 05:03 PM

I was under the impression that adding liberal amounts of coconut oil to food produced ketones without ketosis.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18696)

on April 09, 2012
at 03:35 PM

I don't want to be the "if it didn't work, you weren't doing it right" type -- it's plausible to me that some people don't fare as well on LC for a variety of reasons. Nonetheless, I do think that sometimes there are simple things that can make the difference. Do you think all of the problems you had could be attributed to the insomnia? Certainly fatigue and bags under the eyes would seem to be directly related. One doesn't have to look very far on the net to see that insomnia in ketosis is not uncommon. I hadn't noticed that before. I'm going to look into it!

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18696)

on April 09, 2012
at 03:23 PM

Yeah, I'm sure you're right. It's true this doesn't directly answer you questions (though I wouldn't say it's irrelevant).

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

(1026)

on April 09, 2012
at 06:45 AM

Probably because this is about Ray Peat some Peatarian voted you down for recommending low-carb :). I think your answer is awesome, Ambimorph. The problem is, I'd like to have the benefits of a ketogenic diet without the downsides of low-carb : horrible sleep, bags under eyes, tiredness. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying low-carb is bad, I'm saying it doesn't work for me (I tried it out for 4 months).

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on April 08, 2012
at 11:39 PM

What a hilarious downvote. I love this place.

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100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18696)

on April 08, 2012
at 08:46 PM

If you really want the benefits of ketones, go on a ketogenic diet. Neuroprotection is its forte. See for example:

THE NEUROPROTECTIVE PROPERTIES OF CALORIE RESTRICTION, THE KETOGENIC DIET, AND KETONE BODIES

Neuroprotective and disease-modifying effects of the ketogenic diet

[T]here is evidence from uncontrolled clinical trials and studies in animal models that the ketogenic diet can provide symptomatic and disease-modifying activity in a broad range of neurodegenerative disorders including Alzheimer???s disease and Parkinson???s disease, and may also be protective in traumatic brain injury and stroke. These observations are supported by studies in animal models and isolated cells that show that ketone bodies, especially ??-hydroxybutyrate, confer neuroprotection against diverse types of cellular injury.

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

(1026)

on April 09, 2012
at 06:45 AM

Probably because this is about Ray Peat some Peatarian voted you down for recommending low-carb :). I think your answer is awesome, Ambimorph. The problem is, I'd like to have the benefits of a ketogenic diet without the downsides of low-carb : horrible sleep, bags under eyes, tiredness. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying low-carb is bad, I'm saying it doesn't work for me (I tried it out for 4 months).

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18696)

on April 09, 2012
at 03:35 PM

I don't want to be the "if it didn't work, you weren't doing it right" type -- it's plausible to me that some people don't fare as well on LC for a variety of reasons. Nonetheless, I do think that sometimes there are simple things that can make the difference. Do you think all of the problems you had could be attributed to the insomnia? Certainly fatigue and bags under the eyes would seem to be directly related. One doesn't have to look very far on the net to see that insomnia in ketosis is not uncommon. I hadn't noticed that before. I'm going to look into it!

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18696)

on April 09, 2012
at 03:23 PM

Yeah, I'm sure you're right. It's true this doesn't directly answer you questions (though I wouldn't say it's irrelevant).

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18696)

on April 08, 2012
at 11:39 PM

What a hilarious downvote. I love this place.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on April 10, 2012
at 05:03 PM

I was under the impression that adding liberal amounts of coconut oil to food produced ketones without ketosis.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 11, 2012
at 02:29 AM

Ambimorph - Did you ever start a blog?

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

(1026)

on April 12, 2012
at 07:11 AM

I had very mild insomnia, but woke up multiple times during the night sweating and with a racing heartbeat. I still can't get rid of dark circles under my eyes, though increased calcium intake and sunlight both seem to help. What's interesting is that VLC was much, much worse than ZC, and you mentioned somewhere that the difference between 20g carbs and 5g carbs was very big for you. I think most of the problems I had on ZC where due to potassium and calcium loss. I constantly craved potassium-rich veggies.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18696)

on April 12, 2012
at 07:33 PM

Thanks for asking LLM, it's still in progress.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18696)

on April 12, 2012
at 07:34 PM

That's very interesting, Bruno.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on April 15, 2012
at 06:12 PM

FYI keto-acids aren't ketones

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on April 15, 2012
at 01:22 PM

According to that studies have been done that show protection from ketone bodies(injected most likely?). Where are the studies showing neuroprotection for average folks on keto diets? Why should we limit our diet to nearly zero carbs and risk other health complications instead of just fixing glucose metabolism which is the most neuroprotective thing you could do?

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on April 15, 2012
at 06:11 PM

Nice cop out....

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18696)

on April 15, 2012
at 04:27 PM

Past experience leads me to believe that there is no point in getting into discourse with you, cliff.

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F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

(4090)

on April 10, 2012
at 04:14 PM

Bruno,

In a desperate move I tried out the fried potato juice thing because of Dr. Peat. (I have been eating Peat style since August 2011) So, I ran out of soy-free eggs and was not a happy camper since I usually have them for dinner or use them in a dinner recipe. I have been avoiding starch because of Small intestinal bacterial overgrowth. Also the potatoes I had were starting to sprout. Basically: Potato juice sounded like a great solution. I was hungry, it might "cure" some of my gut issues, it was starch-free.

I don't have a juicer, so I peeled them then used a cheese grater. Then I used cheesecloth to "milk" the shavings. I ended up with a bowl of clear liquid. Then I heated up a frying pan with some butter. When I went to pour the liquid in there was still some liquid but a giant layer of "clay"-like near solid glop at the bottom of the bowl. I decided to put the whole of the contents into the pan.

It fried up gray, sticky, and gloppy. 5 giant potatoes made about 2 fried eggs sized portion.

It mostly tasted like butter and salt and had the consistency of chewy glop.

I felt sick as a dog after I ate it and bloated up like I had actually eaten all 5 of those potato's.

Failure. ICK!

7bf306ada57db47547e9da39a415edf6

(11214)

on April 10, 2012
at 07:50 PM

From what I remember of the interview, you should have kept only the juice- the clay likely had starch in it. I occasionally go on amazon and look at the centrifugal juicers precisely because I want to try this- but it seems a high expense for something I might do once and not like.

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

(4090)

on April 10, 2012
at 08:32 PM

Oops. I missed that part! I thought the starch was the 'meat' of the potato. Haha! I have my soy-free eggs back and now I bought some backyard chickens, so I won't be likely to repeat the potato experiment any time soon! Those juicers are pretty pricey. I try to keep my money for espresso setup! :)

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on April 12, 2012
at 07:04 AM

Backyard chickens sound like an awesome idea. I need a garden :).

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5f2b8e0a671b7eaae8a6bd97f0ded166

(120)

on April 15, 2012
at 08:20 AM

I did try potato juice according to Ray peat. But i hated the taste of cooked juice. So i drank potato juice mixed with fruit juices. I drank no more than 200 ml. After making the juice i let it stand in a glass for 5 minutes and then throw away the starch sediments on the bottom. I felt great, that gave me an instant energy boost. But i think it also gave me slight stomach problem. I already have a very sensitive stomach. You have to be very very careful with how you choose your potato. Sprouted potatoes are full of poison. One should peeled the potato to remove most of the poison, solanin. We should not eat a potato if it has green patch or is sprouted. We also have to removes those eyes. Cooking does not inactivate this poison. I stopped making potato juice after reading that people died eating cooked potato. Poisonous potato usually tastes very bitter. So that is one way to understand if its ok to eat or not. I follow Ray Peats advice and he is an absolute genius. For Seneth, Ray Peat recommends a glass of water with 2+ table spoon of sugar and some salt to aid sleep. I tried it and its fantastic. I never thought sugar and salt can be a sleep cure.

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

(1026)

on April 15, 2012
at 08:56 AM

The sugar and salt before bed improved my sleep tremendously, but ice cream works WAY better at the moment. And it's also very delicious. What's weird is that the ice cream seems to soothe my stomach, while I expected the opposite.

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

(4090)

on April 16, 2012
at 03:38 PM

rashed -I thought Ray said to always cook the juice. I think the whole potato juice thing is just a big hassle. Also thanks for the sleep advice, but I have always slept great -Peat or no Peat. I agree with you about Ray being a genius. I am feeling so much better!!

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