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Can anybody help hack my daughter's toilet-clogging poop?

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Created October 13, 2011 at 2:41 AM

She'd be mortified if she knew I was posting here, but I'm at my wit's end.

Daughter is a few weeks shy of 10. For years now, she has had massive bowel movements. We're talking brick-like solidity, folks. So much so that it clogs toilets if you don't get in there w/ a chopstick and break it up before flushing. TMI, I know, but, hey, that's why I'm asking. (for months we thought the plumbing at our old house was bad; then a plumber told us just what was clogging the pipes...)

Her former pediatrician ran a battery of tests on her (originally, she also had horrible tummy cramps starting about age 5; we never did find the source. Went so far as to go to a GI doc and put her on a machine--I forget the name--similar to an MRI or Ultrasound, but she had to lie still for a full hour. They found nothing, and the tummy aches stopped about that same time, so there was no further testing. She was also tested for antibodies to gluten and that was negative, along with everything else the doc could think of; this was before I'd heard of paleo. Now, I think she does have sensitivities to gluten.)

Her current pediatrician says that overlarge bowel movements aren't that uncommon with kids. Like the prior, she suggested Miralax, which we do every couple of days.

Fast forward to a paleo lifestyle, with which the kids are mostly on board. Daughter still drinks milk--raw milk, locally sourced from pastured cows--about 1 glass/day. She's not a salad eater, but will eat veggies at meals. For the most part, she's eaten paleo for the last couple of months, albeit with more (non-wheat) cheats than her dad and I, who are very strict.

I'd hoped that paleo would fix this issue. It hasn't. And as we're no longer going out for Chinese, I'm running out of chopsticks.

Any ideas? Is Miralax a horrible thing from a health/nutrition standpoint? Are her pedi's right that this isn't that unusual in kids and she'll outgrow it?

6714718e2245e5190017d643a7614157

on May 12, 2013
at 03:20 AM

nutella nutella

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(39821)

on March 15, 2013
at 06:21 PM

I would have expected that ours would be bigger due to the fact that we're full of shit to a greater extent.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on March 15, 2013
at 04:07 PM

Wtf bro? .

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on March 15, 2013
at 04:02 PM

How much fat is in her diet? Try eating about 75% percent calories from fat. Don't do miralax. Consider eliminating fiber.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on October 14, 2011
at 12:10 AM

For probiotics, we've found that Flora Balance (at iherb.com) has really helped our whole family. It combats imbalanced pathogenic microbes including yeasts. Establishing gut healing will reduce the volume of the stools as less will be fermented in the small intesting and be actually degraded for food for her, not the microbes. She's feeding the microbes, not herself!

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

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on October 14, 2011
at 12:08 AM

I agree w/Annie -- chelate and malate are the best salt forms. Oxide is the worst and least GI absorbable.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on October 14, 2011
at 12:06 AM

Miralax is better than 'backing up' her plumbing, so to speak! Have you tried magnesium? It comes in liquid, topical skin oil, capsules and Epsom salts (for relaxing baths)? We don't get enough Mag in our diet and we deplete it under stress (cellular, sweating, etc). Mag is a laxative too -- mag citrate is common for colon bowel preps -- a little more 'natural' than Miralax and has other adjunctive benefits (improves insulin resistance, calms muscles and cramping, improves migraine/headaches/PMS in adults, etc).

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on October 13, 2011
at 06:37 PM

For normal in a paleo trAnsition from SAD. I wish i had a dollar for everytime i have heard this.

306aa57660d911781231f8090c2a5619

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on October 13, 2011
at 06:01 PM

I once made my daughter drink a sauerkraut/grape juice smoothie as a laxative. It worked. If it were an ongoing issue, I'd likely start making lacto-fermented soda again - it's rather more palatable :)

7b11ed525ffa23bc7257684e27488a6a

(366)

on October 13, 2011
at 03:38 PM

Definitely agree with home fermented foods and dropping dairy.

9dd4d453f7ebd7fd2a82814d08fc8f17

(581)

on October 13, 2011
at 02:37 PM

research homemade goat milk kefir :)) that's what i've been using (plus homemade sauerkraut) as healing foods (sally fallon approved lol)

9dd4d453f7ebd7fd2a82814d08fc8f17

(581)

on October 13, 2011
at 02:35 PM

the conventional wisdom is to eat more fibre, but here's a couple of things about indigestible fibre. they cannot be digested by the body so the volume that goes in is the volume that comes out but times 5 or 10 due to its water-absorbing ability (and think of the water soluble nutrients). so it might be an idea to watch gram by gram how much dietary indigestible fibre your daughter ends up eating a day. have you seen how big even just 5g of dry fibre looks like (and then 5x size when coming out)? and she's only 10! but a big yes on the homemade fermented foods!

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on October 13, 2011
at 02:01 PM

Just as an aside...I would only try ONE of these options you are getting at a time, that way you know what worked. Was it the dair, the egg, the Mg, the vit C...ya know.

E06dcdb3f856057025e9776e038d8072

(305)

on October 13, 2011
at 11:43 AM

thx...skimmed it; off to read more closely.

E06dcdb3f856057025e9776e038d8072

(305)

on October 13, 2011
at 11:41 AM

Thanks! Juicing hadn't occurred to me. Great idea!

E06dcdb3f856057025e9776e038d8072

(305)

on October 13, 2011
at 11:40 AM

thx! I think we're okay on the phobia thing.

E06dcdb3f856057025e9776e038d8072

(305)

on October 13, 2011
at 11:40 AM

Just ran out of Mag Citrate (I take), so will pick up some chelate when I go out today. Any ideas re dosing for a 10yo? We definitely don't eat enough fermented veggies/drinks, so that's a good addition for the whole family. I cook w/ CO almost exclusively, so she's already getting a pretty solid whack of that.

E06dcdb3f856057025e9776e038d8072

(305)

on October 13, 2011
at 11:38 AM

Thank you; that makes sense. I think based on all the answers I've read so far that the milk is going to have to go...at least for a little while.

E06dcdb3f856057025e9776e038d8072

(305)

on October 13, 2011
at 11:36 AM

Thank you! These are all great suggestions. She'll hate giving up milk, but, hey, we homeschool...and so yes, it can be a science experiment. We've done smaller meals, but that was pre-paleo, so I can definitely work that back in. Thx!

E06dcdb3f856057025e9776e038d8072

(305)

on October 13, 2011
at 11:34 AM

Cliff, any ideas on how many mg of Vit C?

E06dcdb3f856057025e9776e038d8072

(305)

on October 13, 2011
at 11:34 AM

LOL, Annie! If it weren't for the PITB factor of dealing with it, I would be, too. Travis, thanks. Eggs are her absolute favorite food, but if that will solve this, I'll cut them out and see what happens. Will also try Vit C. Right now, she takes a kids multi. Thank you!

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(3946)

on October 13, 2011
at 04:15 AM

Had to favorite question this because I was laughing so hard.

6670b38baf0aae7f4d8ac2463ddc37c0

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on October 13, 2011
at 04:14 AM

+1 for magnesium, make sure it is chelate, not citrate.

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on October 13, 2011
at 04:12 AM

If she eats eggs, try to have her avoid them for a week.

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on October 13, 2011
at 03:48 AM

have you tried vitamin c?

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E48fa09e1120f0239cfc73220cc91087

on October 13, 2011
at 03:16 AM

Oh my goodness, I just laughed my head off. Your poor daughter! And you! (Poor toilet...)

Before going paleo my poop was pretty catastrophic as as well. I couldn't go anywhere! I still have some friends moms who remember me singularly for that trait. However, dropping grains and dairy worked for me, and now my poop is public restroom-friendly.

So, here's what I'm thinking:

  1. Try experimenting with her diet. Maybe cut dairy out all together. Try introducing more fermented foods to her diet to add bacteria and help with digestion. See if removing different foods, one at a time, changes the situation. (That's right, her bowel movements will be a science experiment!)

  2. Try having her eat smaller meals throughout the day instead of 3 large ones. I know many in the primal community are against this "grazing," but it may make visits to the restroom more manageable for you, your daughter, and your dwindling supply of chopsticks.

  3. Try having her eat more vegetables, just for the time being. Here is a list of fibrous foods from the MAYO clinic. Obviously ignore the grains section and whatnot. http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/high-fiber-foods/NU00582

  4. Try having her drink only water, and lots of it! Water is our best friend. It helps will digestion and everything else.

Besides these suggestions, I don't really have an answer for ya. It makes me sad that she has to take processed meds, but if that's the only way to take care of the problem, then so be it!

Good luck!!

9dd4d453f7ebd7fd2a82814d08fc8f17

(581)

on October 13, 2011
at 02:35 PM

the conventional wisdom is to eat more fibre, but here's a couple of things about indigestible fibre. they cannot be digested by the body so the volume that goes in is the volume that comes out but times 5 or 10 due to its water-absorbing ability (and think of the water soluble nutrients). so it might be an idea to watch gram by gram how much dietary indigestible fibre your daughter ends up eating a day. have you seen how big even just 5g of dry fibre looks like (and then 5x size when coming out)? and she's only 10! but a big yes on the homemade fermented foods!

E06dcdb3f856057025e9776e038d8072

(305)

on October 13, 2011
at 11:36 AM

Thank you! These are all great suggestions. She'll hate giving up milk, but, hey, we homeschool...and so yes, it can be a science experiment. We've done smaller meals, but that was pre-paleo, so I can definitely work that back in. Thx!

7b11ed525ffa23bc7257684e27488a6a

(366)

on October 13, 2011
at 03:38 PM

Definitely agree with home fermented foods and dropping dairy.

4
6426d61a13689f8f651164b10f121d64

(11478)

on October 13, 2011
at 04:00 AM

Miralax is an effective and relatively benign laxative. It's a common misconception that laxatives are addictive.

If your daughter is still having large, hard stools, it means she's still constipated. This means she should be in the cleanout phase of treatment, not the maintenance phase. Miralax every-other-day is for maintenance (prevention of constipation recurrence). For cleanout, use Miralax 1 or 2 times per day as directed by your doctor. Or you can try other laxatives if the Miralax doesn't work. (reference)

Milk allergy is a common cause of constipation. A trial off of all dairy products (including raw milk) may be helpful.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on October 14, 2011
at 12:08 AM

I agree w/Annie -- chelate and malate are the best salt forms. Oxide is the worst and least GI absorbable.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on October 14, 2011
at 12:10 AM

For probiotics, we've found that Flora Balance (at iherb.com) has really helped our whole family. It combats imbalanced pathogenic microbes including yeasts. Establishing gut healing will reduce the volume of the stools as less will be fermented in the small intesting and be actually degraded for food for her, not the microbes. She's feeding the microbes, not herself!

E06dcdb3f856057025e9776e038d8072

(305)

on October 13, 2011
at 11:38 AM

Thank you; that makes sense. I think based on all the answers I've read so far that the milk is going to have to go...at least for a little while.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

(3703)

on October 14, 2011
at 12:06 AM

Miralax is better than 'backing up' her plumbing, so to speak! Have you tried magnesium? It comes in liquid, topical skin oil, capsules and Epsom salts (for relaxing baths)? We don't get enough Mag in our diet and we deplete it under stress (cellular, sweating, etc). Mag is a laxative too -- mag citrate is common for colon bowel preps -- a little more 'natural' than Miralax and has other adjunctive benefits (improves insulin resistance, calms muscles and cramping, improves migraine/headaches/PMS in adults, etc).

9dd4d453f7ebd7fd2a82814d08fc8f17

(581)

on October 13, 2011
at 02:37 PM

research homemade goat milk kefir :)) that's what i've been using (plus homemade sauerkraut) as healing foods (sally fallon approved lol)

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on March 15, 2013
at 04:02 PM

How much fat is in her diet? Try eating about 75% percent calories from fat. Don't do miralax. Consider eliminating fiber.

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24fcc21452ebe39c032be6801d6bbadd

(9812)

on October 13, 2011
at 04:00 PM

I'll second the stuff about fermented foods, trying elminiating dairy; I wonder if not enough fat is a factor? Taking a spoonful of olive oil can get the ol' train outta the station!

6714718e2245e5190017d643a7614157

on May 12, 2013
at 03:20 AM

nutella nutella

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3f3236d1f951d4b4c25eff387699a905

(554)

on October 13, 2011
at 06:15 AM

E06dcdb3f856057025e9776e038d8072

(305)

on October 13, 2011
at 11:43 AM

thx...skimmed it; off to read more closely.

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E46c729d18071082805378654a2020c5

(186)

on October 13, 2011
at 05:15 AM

She'll definitely outgrow it, but you do not want to make her wait that long...

  1. Try Completely cutting the Milk if you have not done so already.

  2. It sounds like she eats veggies but not many...I would 100% try juicing veggies (this works wonders on the system)

  3. Water, Water, Water.

I hope this helps!

E06dcdb3f856057025e9776e038d8072

(305)

on October 13, 2011
at 11:41 AM

Thanks! Juicing hadn't occurred to me. Great idea!

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66974b2cb291799dcd661b7dec99a9e2

(11121)

on October 13, 2011
at 04:11 AM

My son was kinda the same way on SAD. Try getting some coconut oil into her diet, fermented drinks or fermented veggies, lots of water, maybe some magnesium supplements. After a few months eating paleo he 'normalized' lol, but this is what worked for us, everyone is different.

6670b38baf0aae7f4d8ac2463ddc37c0

(3946)

on October 13, 2011
at 04:14 AM

+1 for magnesium, make sure it is chelate, not citrate.

306aa57660d911781231f8090c2a5619

(3808)

on October 13, 2011
at 06:01 PM

I once made my daughter drink a sauerkraut/grape juice smoothie as a laxative. It worked. If it were an ongoing issue, I'd likely start making lacto-fermented soda again - it's rather more palatable :)

E06dcdb3f856057025e9776e038d8072

(305)

on October 13, 2011
at 11:40 AM

Just ran out of Mag Citrate (I take), so will pick up some chelate when I go out today. Any ideas re dosing for a 10yo? We definitely don't eat enough fermented veggies/drinks, so that's a good addition for the whole family. I cook w/ CO almost exclusively, so she's already getting a pretty solid whack of that.

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Aa47a0d7c6cc3403092ccc4733f0b3c2

on July 13, 2016
at 10:45 PM

Drinking a lot of water and nut butter (almond butter) works for me.

0
6142ab143aab4e271e1e8f6f30c069e1

on July 13, 2016
at 10:10 PM

Eating more nuts and seeds helps soften my turds

0
2bfecedf773896b35bd2c0edbeab8749

on July 01, 2016
at 09:24 PM

Shashlick sticks may be the answer for your problem. For less than £2 you can get a pack of 100 - it should be enogh for some time.

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46a7facbb3913a239cafcca15c118425

on February 02, 2014
at 10:21 AM

I think its silly to think that a certain diet will fix this problem when it has nothing to do with what you eat. Constipation can stem from nerve death, lack of magnesium, lack of serotonin, and neurological problems. I think people need to stop the stupid diet craze and start listening to their own bodies on what to eat instead of some guy telling you whats best for you! Only YOU know whats best for YOU, so don't let someone else dictate what you eat, because that's just plain STUPID.

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68655ec9711d207d69a63ebf96b37573

on March 15, 2013
at 06:16 PM

All the women in my family do huge, bog-blocking poops. Not hard poops, just BIG LOG poops. Never a big problem for me in the UK but when I went to the US, the toilets had smaller outflows and I was blocking them left, right and center! Mortifying!

If they are hard though, she might benefit from more fat or more fibre. Chia seeds and home-cooked beetroot should do the trick (from the latter you get the added benefit of freakish red poop)

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(39821)

on March 15, 2013
at 06:21 PM

I would have expected that ours would be bigger due to the fact that we're full of shit to a greater extent.

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Ec6599c0af2a0ca372838ae59dfbac99

on March 02, 2013
at 11:03 PM

oh my god I laughed so hard after reading this. Its soooooo funny! Oh oh running out of chopsticks is a bad hing. lol!!!

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Ec6599c0af2a0ca372838ae59dfbac99

on March 02, 2013
at 11:01 PM

oh my god I laughed so hard after reading this. Its soooooo funny! Oh oh running out of chopsticks is a bad hing. lol!!!

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93ae9f2d376e5426e891a9b58d8302fa

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on October 13, 2011
at 02:25 PM

I'm bothered by dairy products the same way, so I'll constrain my answer to that one thing. Thumbs down on dairy. Nobody needs it after they're weened.

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on October 13, 2011
at 02:19 PM

I used to do large poops as a kid as well. I would also have troubles with constipation from holding it in and not drinking enough water. I wish Miralax had been available back then!

Constipation in adulthood caused me to develop fissures which caused me no end of buttache for months, making me dread going to the bathroom. I used Miralax for 6 months straight and ate a high fiber diet (25g/day).

A bout of food poisoning cleared me out, however, and I stopped the Miralax and started taking probiotics. Have not had an issue with constipation since April, and my fiber intake varies from as low as 6g/day to 20g/day. The only time I find that I get hard stools is when I don't drink enough water. I can even tell the days when I don't drink enough water in the morning yet drink more in the afternoon, as my poop the next morning starts out very hard and the rest comes out soft.

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5e36f73c3f95eb4ea13a009f4936449f

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on October 13, 2011
at 04:47 AM

Magnesium, and make sure she doesn't have a phobia of the bathroom or anything, and is trying to hold it in as long as possible.

E06dcdb3f856057025e9776e038d8072

(305)

on October 13, 2011
at 11:40 AM

thx! I think we're okay on the phobia thing.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on March 15, 2013
at 03:47 PM

what you need to do is put your hand up her bum and pull her stomach out, then feed it to her

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on March 15, 2013
at 04:07 PM

Wtf bro? .

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