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How can I stop all my aches and pain?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created November 30, 2011 at 4:40 PM

Not Paleo, but I keep trying.

I do believe the answer to this question could help me stay on course immensely.

Do I hurt so much in my knees, hands, feet, and other miscellaneous sections solely because of bad eating?

What should be my plan of attack for eliminating some of these aches?

I am working a retail job part-time and sometimes when I leave a shift my legs and knees ache for the longest time making it hard to fall asleep. I'm starting to feel more geezer-like than I care to admit. But working this job I am moving at a slow to medium pace for 6-8 hours about five times a week.

I do take MSM and Resveratrol to help my joint pain and I'm about 35 pounds overweight.

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on May 27, 2012
at 10:00 PM

@jo if you have a look at some of the studies done on the "toning" footwear trend you can find that the claims made by the manufacturers can be very misleading and simply a marketing ploy. However, in some instances I would say its personal preference, but for somebody experiencing hip, back or and joint issues eliminating any kind of unstable footwear is a must. So really, it was just a suggestion to the poster of this thread rather than bashing them in general. I hope that makes sense. :)

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on May 13, 2012
at 03:51 PM

@Case..why the neg on footwear. I have fitflops and I love them. Have no idea about other brands but my feet/legs never felt better with Fitflops on and I am on my feet for long days at a time for several months at a time at work.

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on May 13, 2012
at 03:47 PM

absolutely. I had no idea my aches and stiffness were caused by grain. 1.5 years ago I gave up all "white" food and grain on a low carb diet model much like Primal. 2-3 weeks later all I suddenly noticed I no longer ached and my morning stiffness was gone. I went off the diet2x slowly creeping up in carbs with a cracker here and a something there resulting in totally off the diet.and my aches came back and the last time psoriasis(slowly subsiding now) it was not until this happened I realized the connection. This year restarting at the same time as coming across Wheat Belly/Davis.

D7ec5ab98a0b971f9e24b4e654abfa7d

on December 02, 2011
at 03:02 AM

I've experimented with many shoes (including the Anti-Paleo Shoe: Skechers Shape-ups!), and have finally settled on Allegria clogs. Even before paleo I had *some* improvement in my acute foot pain from wearing Allegrias.

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on December 02, 2011
at 01:05 AM

I've just written little bits here and there ... as of today, it's 42lb! Basically it was limiting carbs, moderate protein, good natural fats like butter and (after a few months) keeping an eye on calories and realising that I should cut out grains altogether. Best of luck,

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on December 01, 2011
at 08:28 PM

Great suggestions, Firestorm! I especially agree with eliminating nuts/seeds too. I was very surprised to find how harsh almonds were for me!

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We need a tshirt for this I'm thinking.

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at 01:11 PM

This is the biggest reason I come to Paleohacks all the time for answers. Thanks!

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on December 01, 2011
at 01:11 PM

Thank you TeaElf. All of these anecdotal helps are going to do just that for me.

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on December 01, 2011
at 01:08 PM

I keep thinking about yoga, but really have no idea how to begin meditating. My brain is like an unruly child. Sounds like I should begin researching this. Thanks Dave!

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on December 01, 2011
at 01:07 PM

Thank you Jodie. I will be upping my fat.

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at 01:06 PM

. . . and that's great about the pounds lost.

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I totally hobble about when I get up in the morning. And when I get out of my car after driving home from a work shift I walk decidely hobbly. What shoes do you wear for your work?

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on December 01, 2011
at 01:02 PM

Neuromusclar Therapist? I'm fairly certain my gait has changed drastically since knee surgery a couple of years ago to repair a torn meniscus. I'd be very interested in a lead. My aftercare for the surgery was not good and I was so depressed during that whole thing that I never sought out any alternatives.

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on December 01, 2011
at 12:58 PM

Thanks for the sources for healing foods. This is fantastically helpful.

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on December 01, 2011
at 12:54 PM

Runny nose as well? I have one of those constantly! I thought it was due to working with so much clothing. Nance, thanks so much.

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at 12:53 PM

This is most helpful to me. I am copying this to print out. Thank you Firestorm!

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at 12:52 PM

Thank you! All of these answers are why I appreciate this community so much. Is your 40 pound loss written about anywhere? I'd love to read about it.

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on November 30, 2011
at 09:43 PM

I completely forgot about footwear, Case -- My holistic neuro put me in VFFs as one of his very first 'prescriptions' for me -- they made a WORLD of difference.

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on November 30, 2011
at 05:42 PM

"Joint pain vengeance is mine" sayeth Gluten.

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on November 30, 2011
at 05:30 PM

While Paleo wasn't a cure all for me across the board -it did stop joint pain in its tracks. Soy and wheat were causing it -100%.

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Ca1150430b1904659742ce2cad621c7d

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on November 30, 2011
at 04:55 PM

I have a collection of not-paleo-related health issues, including spastic remitting-progressing MS and others that left me, when I was more sedentary, with a lot of pain. Here's what worked for me.

  1. Moving. I swim, belly dance, walk, and do some simple body-weight exercises.

  2. Get rid of personal toxins. For me, most grains and 'pseudo-grains', nuts, seeds, and large quantities of citrus or nightshades fit into this category, making the arthritis and spasticity worse.

  3. Plenty of Vitamin D -- both from being out in the sun AND from supplementation since I live in a place where -just- sunshine isn't enough during the winter months.

  4. LOTS of fat -- my diet ranges somewhere around 65+% fat a day, and is usually closer to 75%.

Some folk find that getting rid of dairy helps -- I find that, for, me, if I have half my dairy as raw-milk goat dairy, I'm fine with having the other half be raw-milk cow dairy with no ill effects to either pain or digestion... but the only way to find that out is to stop for 6 months, then add it back and see what changes.

The best suggestion I can give is, once you get the basics in place, and have cleaned your diet out (I really like the autoimmune protocol), then you can try different things to tweak it.

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on December 01, 2011
at 12:53 PM

This is most helpful to me. I am copying this to print out. Thank you Firestorm!

4cef3e34563d751268a800eb9c110594

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on December 01, 2011
at 08:28 PM

Great suggestions, Firestorm! I especially agree with eliminating nuts/seeds too. I was very surprised to find how harsh almonds were for me!

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on November 30, 2011
at 04:50 PM

Cutting out grains (they have gluten and other inflammatory proteins) made the biggest difference to me. It is also a big part of what helped me lose 40lb. So my advice would be - even if a full transition to paleo is not easy at the moment, try going gluten and grain-free.

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on December 01, 2011
at 12:52 PM

Thank you! All of these answers are why I appreciate this community so much. Is your 40 pound loss written about anywhere? I'd love to read about it.

559a1bf85bfe38a0fbbf56377c7278b4

(1548)

on December 02, 2011
at 01:05 AM

I've just written little bits here and there ... as of today, it's 42lb! Basically it was limiting carbs, moderate protein, good natural fats like butter and (after a few months) keeping an eye on calories and realising that I should cut out grains altogether. Best of luck,

E7e7e1c856d4494d4a1b700b6869df90

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on May 13, 2012
at 03:47 PM

absolutely. I had no idea my aches and stiffness were caused by grain. 1.5 years ago I gave up all "white" food and grain on a low carb diet model much like Primal. 2-3 weeks later all I suddenly noticed I no longer ached and my morning stiffness was gone. I went off the diet2x slowly creeping up in carbs with a cracker here and a something there resulting in totally off the diet.and my aches came back and the last time psoriasis(slowly subsiding now) it was not until this happened I realized the connection. This year restarting at the same time as coming across Wheat Belly/Davis.

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on November 30, 2011
at 04:55 PM

You won't know unless you try going grain-free for 30-60 days.

I've suffered from joint pain for many decades. It didn't occur to me when I decided to try ancestral eating that I might experience relief of the joint pain--I simply felt awful and wanted to feel better.

About 3 weeks in, though, I realized that my stuffy nose, hacking cough, GERD and JOINT PAIN had disappeared. It was flat-out amazing.

Two binges in August confirmed that my symptoms would all return whenever I ate neolithic foods. Fortunately for me, they disappeared again when I went back to ancestral eating.

Your joint pain may or may not respond, but what do you have to lose?

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

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on November 30, 2011
at 05:30 PM

While Paleo wasn't a cure all for me across the board -it did stop joint pain in its tracks. Soy and wheat were causing it -100%.

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(572)

on December 01, 2011
at 12:54 PM

Runny nose as well? I have one of those constantly! I thought it was due to working with so much clothing. Nance, thanks so much.

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on November 30, 2011
at 05:47 PM

Try to manage inflammation, overall.
First and foremost, gluten/grains of all sorts should be removed from your diet for a good 30-45 days (ideally forever) so you can allow your gut to have healing time. (take that seriously, it could be the one main thing that dramatically changes your life!) The more intense the elimination diet, the better idea you will get about your pains being food related... so if you can muster up the will-power, get rid of dairy too.

In addition to that, healing foods that decrease inflammation should be introduced into your diet, if theyre not already: (ex.) beef bone broth, if you cant make or get your hands on broth, powdered gelatin (great lakes brand is superior to store bought brands, check Amazon) is an excellent source of anti-inflammatory protein. If you put in a dedicated effort to begin a gut healing process, you may find yourself surprised at how much relief you get in your joints, limbs and muscles!

Other tid-bits: try sleeping with a body pillow between your knees, this helps take some of the stress off of your lower back, hips and legs.
Hmm, maybe you should get some new shoes & inserts that support your type of foot/arch, since youre on your wheels all day... If you are wearing any form of "shape-up" shoe, kick them off of your feet into the next river you walk by.

Ca1150430b1904659742ce2cad621c7d

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on November 30, 2011
at 09:43 PM

I completely forgot about footwear, Case -- My holistic neuro put me in VFFs as one of his very first 'prescriptions' for me -- they made a WORLD of difference.

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(572)

on December 01, 2011
at 12:58 PM

Thanks for the sources for healing foods. This is fantastically helpful.

E7e7e1c856d4494d4a1b700b6869df90

(982)

on May 13, 2012
at 03:51 PM

@Case..why the neg on footwear. I have fitflops and I love them. Have no idea about other brands but my feet/legs never felt better with Fitflops on and I am on my feet for long days at a time for several months at a time at work.

4cef3e34563d751268a800eb9c110594

(273)

on May 27, 2012
at 10:00 PM

@jo if you have a look at some of the studies done on the "toning" footwear trend you can find that the claims made by the manufacturers can be very misleading and simply a marketing ploy. However, in some instances I would say its personal preference, but for somebody experiencing hip, back or and joint issues eliminating any kind of unstable footwear is a must. So really, it was just a suggestion to the poster of this thread rather than bashing them in general. I hope that makes sense. :)

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on December 01, 2011
at 07:05 AM

I'll chime in as others have already -- removing inflammatory foods made a HUGE difference in my pain. HUGE. EPIC.

I had joint pain so bad I was ready to pack it in; I couldn't imagine living decades more with that much agony. Every joint was on fire, all the time, 24/7, and doctors just shrugged and said 'arthritis; adapt.' I was checked for all kinds of diseases to no avail (though oddly, not for any food sensitivities...wish they had!). I felt ancient and decrepit by age 30.

Dropping grain and sugar changed my life within weeks. These things are incredibly inflammatory and will do an evil tap dance on every joint in your body (not to mention your internal organs). I can't even express how astounding the difference is. I cried from relief when I first slept through the night, and cried that I'd lived my entire adult life -- 25 years -- with an answer that simple just beyond my perception. If only I'd known.

DO try sticking with Paleo. DO. You may be amazed; you may find that you have life in you that you never knew existed. I did!

If you aren't ready to go all in, try dropping sugar first. That's how I started. That alone gave me huge relief. Then drop gluten. And Firestorm's suggestions are pure gold. Everyone's are, really.

Good luck, and go for it.

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on December 01, 2011
at 01:11 PM

Thank you TeaElf. All of these anecdotal helps are going to do just that for me.

Medium avatar

(572)

on December 01, 2011
at 01:11 PM

This is the biggest reason I come to Paleohacks all the time for answers. Thanks!

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on November 30, 2011
at 08:28 PM

Agree with all the avoid grains and reduce inflammation advice. As part of reducing inflammation, reduce omega-6 by eliminating as much as you can all vegetable and seed oils (canola/soy/corn/etc.). And don't hit the nuts too hard. Eliminate sugar/fructose as much as you can.

Ice, cold showers, castor oil (applied externally), yoga/meditation, sleep, sunshine/vitamin D all reduce inflammation. So there's a few more tools you can use.

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on December 01, 2011
at 01:08 PM

I keep thinking about yoga, but really have no idea how to begin meditating. My brain is like an unruly child. Sounds like I should begin researching this. Thanks Dave!

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on November 30, 2011
at 07:54 PM

I take a medication (Aromasin aka exemestane) that is well-known to cause osteoarthritis type pain. I also am a hospital nurse, working 12 hr night shifts, so on my feet constantly, and was a good 50 lbs overweight. Before paleo, I had a lot of pain/stiffness in my knees and ankles/feet -- my feet were ridiculous, I would literally HOBBLE when first getting up in the morning. I took Tylenol and Advil every single day, usually more than one dose of each.

I started eating fairly strict, lowish carb paleo (+ dairy + wine) in September and within a week noticed a reduction in my pain. A few weeks later I started CrossFit, and it seemed to improve further (although now I have new, exciting CF-related pain in my muscles!). I stopped needing pain meds at all for joint pain (do need them for muscle pain at times).

Since then, I've "slipped" a few times and eaten grains/sugars -- the biggest slip was Thanksgiving when the day before and the day of, I just said forget it (actually I said something else -- is swearing allowed on PH?) and ate crackers, rolls, stuffing, pie, drank beer, etc. (I blame my in-laws.) I woke up the day after Thanksgiving once again HOBBLING around like a 90 yr old -- the pain in my ankles and heels was excruciating. Immediately got back on the wagon, and within days, the pain receded again. Not vanished -- but receded.

It's a little hard for the scientific part of me to believe that 2 days of eating grains (I assume gluten is the culprit?) could do that much damage (or that a few days of refraining could cause that much improvement), but that's been my experience. I've also lost ~18 lbs, so that may contribute to the gradual improvement, but obviously not to the acute changes I had around turkey day.

Good luck!

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on December 01, 2011
at 01:06 PM

. . . and that's great about the pounds lost.

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on December 01, 2011
at 01:04 PM

I totally hobble about when I get up in the morning. And when I get out of my car after driving home from a work shift I walk decidely hobbly. What shoes do you wear for your work?

D7ec5ab98a0b971f9e24b4e654abfa7d

on December 02, 2011
at 03:02 AM

I've experimented with many shoes (including the Anti-Paleo Shoe: Skechers Shape-ups!), and have finally settled on Allegria clogs. Even before paleo I had *some* improvement in my acute foot pain from wearing Allegrias.

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on November 30, 2011
at 08:11 PM

Eat lots of fat, all my aches and pains have gone!

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on December 01, 2011
at 01:07 PM

Thank you Jodie. I will be upping my fat.

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on November 30, 2011
at 06:12 PM

Try all the metabolic fixes outlined above and below and then find a Neuromuscular Therapist in your area to fix the equally important postural distortions which are causing you so much grief. First visit should run well under $100. I'll find you a good one if you give me the go ahead. Postural distortions lead to pain and the pain jumps greatly at menopause.Your cortisol supply is just plain overwhelmed.You need to deal with the cortisol issues and the underlying postural problems. Good luck. There is hope.

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on December 01, 2011
at 01:02 PM

Neuromusclar Therapist? I'm fairly certain my gait has changed drastically since knee surgery a couple of years ago to repair a torn meniscus. I'd be very interested in a lead. My aftercare for the surgery was not good and I was so depressed during that whole thing that I never sought out any alternatives.

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