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Pins and needles in ketosis...

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Created August 15, 2012 at 7:29 PM

Hello friends its Uggla here , I have experienced pins and needles with ketosis each time I am it. I can seem to figure out why this is happening to me. I also noticed that the pins and needles seem to also amplify when stress or much activity happens but it is not to do with any stress or anxiety problems because when not in ketosis I do not have any problems with those things.

Has this happend with any of you, can any of you give me advice on this issue?

Thanks!

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on August 16, 2012
at 06:38 PM

Too much protein tends to cause hypoglycemia, Uggla. Your experiences seem to be in line with mine. Is your sleep okay? My sleep was a mess back then.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on August 16, 2012
at 06:36 PM

While ketosis screwed me up in many ways, my brain was more clear. My attitude, on the other hand, sucked. If you're willing to experiment more with it, Uggla, I applaud you. I just don't think you should be solving this with yet an other supplement.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on August 16, 2012
at 05:49 PM

As to "the amount of glucose being produced from protein or the amount of glucose you take in becomes incrementally less and less over this adaptation period", that's simply factually untrue. Glucose production from protein slightly increases on a keto diet, and what you take in should be constant. I don't know where you are coming up with this stuff. Simply repeating it does not count as evidence. Care to dig up a reference?

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on August 16, 2012
at 05:48 PM

jackson, of course there is an adaptation period to ketosis. You might find my article on it helpful: http://www.ketotic.org/2012/05/keto-adaptation-what-it-is-and-how-to.html

Dfeb3c1ef269c5dc03154d1689c14373

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on August 16, 2012
at 05:33 PM

or i guess you can attack my tone and pretend what i'm saying is dumb to make yourself feel better

Dfeb3c1ef269c5dc03154d1689c14373

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on August 16, 2012
at 05:32 PM

no evidence that your body adapts quickly? LOL. How about the fact that in the beginning your muscles, brain, heart take time to adapt to the amount of ketones they can use. And how about the amount of glucose being produced from protein or the amount of glucose you take in becomes incrementally less and less over this adaptation period. So that when you have finally adapted, the amount of glucose necessary to push you out of ketosis has greatly decreased since you first started. That sounds like evidence that "your body adapts so quickly, necessitating less and less carbs to maintain [ketosis

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on August 16, 2012
at 05:26 PM

jackson, your tone is arrogant and offensive, and your comments are not even correct. Ketosis *is* proven to be therapeutic for several conditions. In particular, Uggla has a history of obesity and cancer. The former is provably helped by ketogenic diets, and for the latter, ketogenic diets have much preliminary evidence and are currently in clinical trials. There is no evidence that "your body adapts so quickly, necessitating less and less carbs to maintain [ketosis]."

Dfeb3c1ef269c5dc03154d1689c14373

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on August 16, 2012
at 05:03 PM

When you start experiencing pins and needles and don't know why, you are officially "experimenting". And I don't need references to guide me secure my position, common sense works much better. Unfortunately the sarcasm is not intentional, it just works out that way when the logical path is so obvious. Ketosis is not magic. There's a reason your body adapts so quickly, necessitating less and less carbs to maintain it. There's nothing wrong with not being in ketosis, so i suggest you 'experiment' with that. And nice job on the 48 kilos! (no sarcasm there)

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

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on August 16, 2012
at 05:02 PM

I have lost over 48 kilos and have been eating paleo for over 3 years I am not "experimenting". Seriously if you want to make a point you can do that with refrences to real information not scarcasim and internet bullying like a teenaged boy.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

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on August 16, 2012
at 05:00 PM

I have lost over 48 kilos and have been eating paleo for over 3 years I am not "experimenting". Seriously if you want to make a point you can do that with refrences to information to prove what ever point you are trying to point out not scarcasim and internet bullying like a teenaged boy, thats what us grown-ups do.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

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on August 16, 2012
at 04:57 PM

I have lost over 48 kilos and have been eating paleo for over 3 years I am not to. I am not "experimenting". Seriously if you want to make a point you can do that with refrences to information to prove what ever point you are trying to point out not scarcasim and internet bullying like a teenaged boy, thats what us gr

Dfeb3c1ef269c5dc03154d1689c14373

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on August 16, 2012
at 04:36 PM

Not to mention you should be under a doctors supervision if you have no idea how to control your ketosis experiment, fool.

Dfeb3c1ef269c5dc03154d1689c14373

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on August 16, 2012
at 04:33 PM

my crap > you; apparently. Wanting to be in a certain metabolic state which has 'proven' medical benefits for epileptics, as well as purported 'healing' abilities from every low carb guru on the planet, is clearly NOT crap, right?

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

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on August 16, 2012
at 05:17 AM

Yes it's definiely pins and needles, painful andshocking pins and needles.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

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on August 16, 2012
at 05:00 AM

Oh you think I didnt.know that allready..? You can keep your smartass remarks to yourself. Maybe there is a reason I'd like.to be in ketosis or naybe your critical thinking ability couldnt for see that. Why do you even waste your time to write such.crap?

Dfeb3c1ef269c5dc03154d1689c14373

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on August 15, 2012
at 10:47 PM

I'm gonna try and apply the critical thinking ability I have sharpened over the years. Here goes... You say have pins and needles when you're in ketosis, and this is probably a negative attribute, otherwise I assume you wouldn't be trying to 'hack' it. Why not step out of ketosis and watch your problem magically disappear? I will quote an esteemed authority on the subject: "because when not in ketosis I do not have any problems with those things". Hope this helps =)

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on August 15, 2012
at 09:16 PM

Uggla, Migraines plus paresthesia means it is likely either Hypothyroidism or Iodine deficiency. I am amazed that a doctor would order a MRI for migraines without properly conducting blood tests for nutritional deficiencies (although I have seem much worse).

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

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on August 15, 2012
at 08:33 PM

Hi thanks for the response. I eat fat, about 4 ounces of heavy cream each morning in my coffee, about 3 table spoons butter with my eggs about 2 to 3 tablespoons of virgin coconut oil with my lunch and dinner. I do not trim fat off my food and I mostly eat it all. I also eat pretty natural and healthy, at least I think so :)

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on August 15, 2012
at 08:20 PM

Also, please get your thyroid checked. Swelling is typically due to low iodine levels, but could also potentially be symptomatic of hypothyroidism, only a proper evaluation by a doctor can diagnose.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on August 15, 2012
at 08:16 PM

Uggla, It is far more likely that low fat is causing your symptoms. If you are not consuming enough fat you will not be able to absorb those supplements. Also, it's far more important to get your nutrients from whole foods rather than supplements. Just a question. Do you get into ketosis from low calorie or from high fat?

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

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on August 15, 2012
at 08:12 PM

I just got a MRI on my brain because of migraines I get all the time but have not gotten the results yet. But I have obly had my thyroid checked by rutine blood work about 1.5 years ago and they said they saw nothing.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

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on August 15, 2012
at 08:05 PM

My thyroid had swollen during 2 different fasting expeciences, I could hardly breathe. I take zinc, magnesium, calcium, cod liver oil, and a B complex everyday. Could too much protien on a vlc diet cause this?

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100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on August 16, 2012
at 03:06 PM

Uggla, I've never heard of such a thing, so I can't apply any experience. However, wikipedia lists some potential causes, and the ones that stand out to me as possibly applying are: hypoglycemia, micronutrient deficiencies, and dehydration.

So would suggest trying one of these:

  1. If you test your blood sugar and it's low, I would suggest eating more frequently.

  2. You could try taking electrolytes (especially potassium, and magnesium) and see if it has an effect.

  3. You could just try drinking more. Dehydration is fairly common with ketosis, especially at first, because of the diuretic effect.

Interestingly, some anticonvulsants have been associated with this side-effect. Since ketosis is a potent anticonvulsant, there may be mechanisms in common. In particular, topiramate can cause it, and it has been found that supplemental potassium can relieve it. So I would try number 2. first.

Note that potassium problems can originate with magnesium deficiency, so try both. Volek and Phinney recommend taking Slow-Mag, three at bedtime for 20 days to fix a deficiency.

If you try this, please let us know whether it helped.

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3351f6c8ec1ea64435e419f380ca6468

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on August 15, 2012
at 08:14 PM

Is it definitely "pins and needles", or more of a twitchy, bubbly sensation? I get the latter (fasciculation according to a search I did once) fairly frequently when I go into ketosis, along with some attention-grabbing leg cramps at night. It seems to be a electrolyte imbalance issue, and making sure I'm getting enough potassium, magnesium, and salt usually makes it stop.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

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on August 16, 2012
at 05:17 AM

Yes it's definiely pins and needles, painful andshocking pins and needles.

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6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

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on August 15, 2012
at 10:45 PM

I wonder if it would have anything to do with mobilizing heavy metals or other toxins from your adipose tissue stores when you are in ketosis. If it increases with higher activity levels that also makes me think it could be a "detox" thing. I think some NDs do testing for heavy metals working their way out of your system with hair analysis (although I don't know how effective the tests are).

My other thought, since you also have migraines, is that there could be some twisted muscle fibers in your neck, shoulders, or back that are pinching the nerves going down to your extremities, and the sudden loss of water weight that happens when going into ketosis could cause the muscle to tighten down further, and compress those nerves even more. You might want to get evaluated by myofascial therapist to make sure nothing is caught or twisted...and in the meantime make sure you are up on your electrolytes.

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3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on August 15, 2012
at 07:57 PM

There are a lot of causes of paresthesia. Given that this occurs primarily when you are in ketosis, I would suggest first looking into vitamin deficiency and/or malnutrition. If this occurs regularly, you may also want to get your thyroid tested by your doctor.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on August 15, 2012
at 08:20 PM

Also, please get your thyroid checked. Swelling is typically due to low iodine levels, but could also potentially be symptomatic of hypothyroidism, only a proper evaluation by a doctor can diagnose.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on August 15, 2012
at 08:05 PM

My thyroid had swollen during 2 different fasting expeciences, I could hardly breathe. I take zinc, magnesium, calcium, cod liver oil, and a B complex everyday. Could too much protien on a vlc diet cause this?

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on August 15, 2012
at 08:33 PM

Hi thanks for the response. I eat fat, about 4 ounces of heavy cream each morning in my coffee, about 3 table spoons butter with my eggs about 2 to 3 tablespoons of virgin coconut oil with my lunch and dinner. I do not trim fat off my food and I mostly eat it all. I also eat pretty natural and healthy, at least I think so :)

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on August 15, 2012
at 08:16 PM

Uggla, It is far more likely that low fat is causing your symptoms. If you are not consuming enough fat you will not be able to absorb those supplements. Also, it's far more important to get your nutrients from whole foods rather than supplements. Just a question. Do you get into ketosis from low calorie or from high fat?

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on August 16, 2012
at 06:38 PM

Too much protein tends to cause hypoglycemia, Uggla. Your experiences seem to be in line with mine. Is your sleep okay? My sleep was a mess back then.

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B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on August 16, 2012
at 06:32 PM

I asked this in the past, because I had this too. It only disappeared recently but I still occasionaly have it a bit. Using potassium helped a tiny bit, but not enough at all.

Possible causes include hypothyroidism and vitamin B5 deficiency (see here for the last one).

Since low-carbing tends to worsen hypothyroidism (though I think ketosis is better than VLC), I wouldn't low-carb for a while.

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on August 15, 2012
at 08:03 PM

I was going to suggest thyroid, also get checked out neurologically, you don't want to ignore this kind of thing.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on August 15, 2012
at 09:16 PM

Uggla, Migraines plus paresthesia means it is likely either Hypothyroidism or Iodine deficiency. I am amazed that a doctor would order a MRI for migraines without properly conducting blood tests for nutritional deficiencies (although I have seem much worse).

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on August 15, 2012
at 08:12 PM

I just got a MRI on my brain because of migraines I get all the time but have not gotten the results yet. But I have obly had my thyroid checked by rutine blood work about 1.5 years ago and they said they saw nothing.

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