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You're Paleo...Do you have your pet following an ancestral diet as well?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created November 02, 2010 at 4:47 PM

As I am following our ancestral diet, I coudn't very well keep feeding my dog (an American Cocker Spaniel) the shitty kibble from the grocery store anymore. I did the research and am now feeding a raw food diet to her. Like me, she is healthy, fit and raring to go for anything.

Have you started your dog or cat on their ancestral diet?

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on December 02, 2011
at 12:51 PM

In addition to my observations, I find it very interesting to see how many holistic vets now support Raw Diets. Yes, these are the same vets who don't sell pet food from their "store" and who make considerably less than their allopathic counterparts. Who would you trust?

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on December 02, 2011
at 12:46 PM

I have only to look in the dog park to see the striking difference between those fed a kibble/plant based diet and those fed raw. In fact, after 8 years of feeding raw, I can usually identify raw fed dogs through their physical smell and general health signs. I don't need a researcher to help me see the science, I can see it, smell it, and touch it...daily.

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(4878)

on December 02, 2011
at 12:44 PM

Interesting, and sad articles. First, the articles fail to mention that science is a trailing industry. (I say this as a doctoral student researcher who is currently in the bowels of data collection.) Without observation of specific phenomenon, many research projects would not exist. When I observe my dog's large cohort of "friends" who are now in the +10 years age group, those on a raw diet are CLEARLY more healthy. In fact, many kibble fed dogs in our neighborhood are now dying, while those of us who've chosen to feed raw (primarily Prey Model, not BARF) have dogs who look and act "young".

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on December 02, 2011
at 05:44 AM

The facebook page is adorable! I've started my cats on Before Grain brand cat food. I haven't even thought about raw food, organ meat, or bones. I'm pretty new to paleo and have no idea how to even cook with whole chickens or find unusual cuts of meat. Any pointers on easy ways to start my cats on this stuff?

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on December 02, 2011
at 01:34 AM

Me too! I've been feeding a Prey Model Raw diet for 8 years and will NEVER feed kibble again!

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on July 25, 2011
at 05:32 PM

We address this issue by feeding ground raw meat, with ground bones included (for chicken -- large bones, like from beef, I don't worry about). I think the worry is somewhat well-founded. Even if such trauma is rare, you don't want your beloved house-wolf to be the one it happens to.

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on November 07, 2010
at 12:49 AM

Love it...happy dog

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on November 04, 2010
at 06:29 PM

I got him some heart today, free! Also some ground turkey for tomorrow. He better be happy.

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on November 03, 2010
at 03:54 PM

We've tried a number of different brands - they will only eat this.

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on November 03, 2010
at 05:10 AM

Innova was just bought out by Proctor and Gamble. I am looking around for a new food for my dog and cat, maybe Orijen.

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on November 03, 2010
at 05:06 AM

My dog loves pancreas and other offal and that stuff is cheap!

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on November 03, 2010
at 05:04 AM

There are grain free kibbles, very high protein with a bit of potato. That's what my pets eat, along with lots of meat table scraps.

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on November 03, 2010
at 05:03 AM

I think the prob is that most dogs and cats are far removed from the ancestors that once subsisted on wild raw animals. We have bred them away from a natural state and little Fifi the poodle may not longer have a stomach and intestines that are as tough as those of a wolf.

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on November 03, 2010
at 04:59 AM

We're trying to switch our 12 year old kitty (see above) and have had limited (but some!) success so far. I have hope still but it's taking some serious experimentation and patience!

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(2007)

on November 03, 2010
at 04:57 AM

After turning her nose up at most bone-in raw food, she *really* liked the cut up wing tips drizzled with a bit of tuna can juice. I keep wanting to try organ meats but for some reason the chickens I get from my usual stores don't come with the giblets inside! All those years of hating those little bundles and now I'm complaining they're not there :P Glad I could be somewhat inspiring! I do hope we can get her more on track with it. She must think we're crazy changing her food up so much, trying to get her to like it!

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on November 02, 2010
at 09:20 PM

i fed my pet ground turkey, mostly, after reading "Natural Health for Dogs and Cats," where they recommended commercial turkey as much less "adulterated" than commercial (read "industrial") beef, pork, or chicken. it was quite inexpensive.

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on November 02, 2010
at 08:58 PM

Thanks speno. The questions archives have gotten so big that I guess no one else cares about duplicate questions any more.

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on November 02, 2010
at 07:21 PM

I've heard that Evo by Innova is a decent brand that's grain-free too. Cats can be tough and I imagine switching one at 9 years old is nearly impossible. It's like trying to get a 70 year old person to change their diet, but worse. I think if you stick to a quality cooked/grain-free version you're doing well. As a side note, my little guy took to the raw food very easily when he was a kitten. He was 4 mos when I got him and I weened him over in a matter of a day or two. I used to give him the teeniest pieces of chicken, now I barely cut it up.

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on November 02, 2010
at 06:55 PM

I have tried for the last few months to get our 9 year old cat switched over to raw, but with no success. He flat out refuses anything raw. And I have tried everything, including quickly searing the meat, grinding it up to resemble canned...nothing worked. The best I could do was find the best cooked canned grain free food I could and feed him that. If we get another cat one day, we will start right from the get go to feeding raw.

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on November 02, 2010
at 06:53 PM

You've inspired me to keep trying with my kitty. I haven't attempted to give her chicken necks yet. I think I will also mince some chicken liver into her wet food next time--just because she won't take it from my hand doesn't mean she will necessarily avoid it in her wet food.

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on November 02, 2010
at 06:37 PM

Alright you guys are now guilting me into it... I'll ask next time if they have any scraps/cheap organ meats.

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on November 02, 2010
at 06:07 PM

Organ meat is super cheap.

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on November 02, 2010
at 06:00 PM

I've edited tags so that some are in common with my previous question ( http://paleohacks.com/questions/714/paleo-for-pets#axzz149Ig19WU ). I'll leave it for others to determine whether or not this question is a duplicate.

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on November 02, 2010
at 05:58 PM

I've edited tags so that some are in common with my previous question [**here**](http://paleohacks.com/questions/714/paleo-for-pets#axzz149Ig19WU). I'll leave it for others to determine whether this question is a duplicate.

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on November 02, 2010
at 05:49 PM

We force the odd fast on Sophie as well...although she doesn't like us much for it LOL

E898c2f2df1cfdec26df439648463f5b

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on November 02, 2010
at 05:48 PM

you can feed your dog raw for about the same as with store kibble if you do local research on prices for cuts people don't want. Check with local butchers, farmers and go to your local Asian grocer if you have one.

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on November 02, 2010
at 05:31 PM

Make friends with a butcher, you can improve brady's health on the cheap with scraps...similar cost to dog food

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0242b468fe1c97997749db416c92e7ed

(4528)

on November 02, 2010
at 08:18 PM

For the most part. Our two 10-year-old house cats usually turn their noses up at whole, raw meat on the bone, so I process raw chicken, smaller chicken bones, chicken liver, a few eggs and a can or two of mackerel in my Vitamix. They love it, and they've never looked healthier! Darwin was a fat kitty before we went raw, and now he's lean and mean. We only supplement their diets with dry food (Wellness Core grain-free kibble) on the rare occasions that raw food isn't convenient, or we're going away for the weekend.

Interestingly, after we changed their diets, both cats started showing more interest in catching their own "supplemental" snacks - mice, birds, lizards - Darwin proudly brought home a roadkill squirrel the other day (I'd seen it earlier in the street in front of our house). Yes, my soft, spoiled kitties who like to sleep on the couch all day are very "paleo" now. :)

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on November 02, 2010
at 06:34 PM

Yup! My dog is 9 and has had severe allergies since she was a puppy. I've been taking her to animal dermatologist for about 7 years and have spent untold $1000s on medications for her. Weekly allergen shots, steroids, topical creams, shampoos...you name it and I was giving it to her. A few times I tried to reduce her medication since even on all of it she was still itchy all the time and often scratched herself raw. This resulted in her clawing about 60% of her fur off.

Fast forward to a couple months ago and I decided to try a raw food diet. I am now giving her zero medication and her itching is the best it's been in her entire life. I can't recommend a raw diet enough!

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on November 02, 2010
at 05:30 PM

I most certainly do! I hooked my anxious cat up with grain-free kibble and his personality changed overnight from anxious, needy, irritable. he' s calm and energetic now, sleeps longer and purrs a lot more!

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on November 04, 2010
at 01:10 AM

My dogs wouldn't even know what to do with kibble. They've never touched the stuff.

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on November 03, 2010
at 12:28 AM

My 9 GSDs and 3 kittys went to raw species appropriate way before I did.

Actually that is what made me start wondering about what humans eat

.. Sooo here we are . lol

ALL dogs are carnivores and have a powerful very short, fast and effecient digestive tract. They are only designed to eat raw prey with large ungulates being the choice of preference.

It is the kibble aka crap in a bag that they cannot digest nor are they physically built to eat anything plantlike. Bagged food prduces volumes of stinky bacteria laden indigested crapola. Large volume because no matter how small the kibble company grinds the stuff it still cannot be digested. Experiment by givin your dog a raw carrot and not that it comes out still looking like a carrto . lol

Just compare jaw structure. The wolf (dog) has a hinged jaw that only can open and close straight down. This allows crushing tearing and shearing meat from a carcass. Look at the jaw of an omnivore or herbivore that can move sideways to grind plant matter like a camel or a bovine for example.

Dogs cannot digest plant matter without putting excess strain on the pancreas to produce more than normal digestive enzymes and hormones. So many pets are suffering from pancreatitis, diabetes, arthritis ,and other modern disease etc just as humans that follow the S.A.D. way of eating. Dogs are carnivores and cats are obligate carnivores so kitty MUST have rawmeat for optimum health.

HTH, shirley who has lived the raw prey model feeding for our dogs and cats for 12 years or so.

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on November 02, 2010
at 05:53 PM

Yep, sort of. Attempted to start kitty on a raw diet a couple of months ago but we're still working out the kinks. She doesn't love it, and we are still mixing it with either some of her old wet food, tuna juice, or some crushed high protein, grain-free kibble. She's 12 so it may be a little late in life for her... but she's at least eating vastly better than she was before. Cutting up chicken wing tips/necks seems to be her favourite. Even buying the pre-made raw 'pucks' isn't any more expensive than the premium "Pro Plan" food she was on before.

Best side benefit? Her litter box doesn't smell. at. all. Miraculous!

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(2007)

on November 03, 2010
at 04:57 AM

After turning her nose up at most bone-in raw food, she *really* liked the cut up wing tips drizzled with a bit of tuna can juice. I keep wanting to try organ meats but for some reason the chickens I get from my usual stores don't come with the giblets inside! All those years of hating those little bundles and now I'm complaining they're not there :P Glad I could be somewhat inspiring! I do hope we can get her more on track with it. She must think we're crazy changing her food up so much, trying to get her to like it!

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on November 02, 2010
at 06:53 PM

You've inspired me to keep trying with my kitty. I haven't attempted to give her chicken necks yet. I think I will also mince some chicken liver into her wet food next time--just because she won't take it from my hand doesn't mean she will necessarily avoid it in her wet food.

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on November 02, 2010
at 05:00 PM

Yes indeed, I love my house-wolf. My Siberian Husky gets bones, guts, organs, and meat to eat, wild game and farmed. She eats the occasional rabbit or squirrel or mouse out in the woods on walks. I am pretty conscious to force a fast on her from time to time as well. She gets a daily run or walk, sprints, chasing, playing and loads of napping in the sun. Cold weather finds her sleeping outdoors at 20 below, and not wanting to come inside.

E898c2f2df1cfdec26df439648463f5b

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on November 02, 2010
at 05:49 PM

We force the odd fast on Sophie as well...although she doesn't like us much for it LOL

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on December 02, 2011
at 10:22 AM

No. I tried to feed my cat the raw meat cat food stuff. She sniffed at it, and then walked away. She did not seem to interpret it as being edible.

Then I tried the meat-based no-grain kibble. She got really bad diarrhea that didn't seem to get better.

She won't drink tuna fish juice - walks away. Same with cold cuts or cooked chicken or wet cat food. She doesn't seem to get that it's food. Any other cat I've had loved that stuff.

So, she is back on regular ol' kibble. I dunno. She doesn't seem to be cut out for Paleo.

She does like beef jerky so I give her that sometimes.

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on December 02, 2011
at 01:17 AM

My dog Vegas was eating ancestrally before I was. Years ago I started feeding him raw meaty bones, at the advice of our dog trainer and after a ton of reading. Through observing my dog, however, I've learned a few things. He likes cooked beef the best, with well-cooked greens and some sweet potato or winter squash. His next favorite is raw pork bones. I've learned I have to be careful on sourcing his meaty bones, though. The pork bones from the large Asian market are brittle, and they don't seem to digest well, to the point where he doesn't like to eat them anymore, whereas he scarfs down the pork bones from my meat csa share (and they aren't brittle). So I don't feed him conventionally raised meat/bones anymore because I'm just too worried that he'll have a problem digesting those bones.

I share all of my organ meats with him. Actually, I share most of my meals with him as long as I'm not using onion. He's been a heavy influence on my food choices, now that I think about it, so maybe he's sharing his meals with me.

I find the raw vs. cooked question really interesting: both for dogs and for humans. There's been a few studies providing good support for the idea that dogs co-evolved with humans, so it stands to reason that they have been getting cooked meats in their diets for a long time. Feeling it out, Vegas and I both seem to like a mix of cooked and raw, though of course I don't eat the bones like he does, except for canned fish.

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on November 04, 2010
at 12:55 AM

Here are a couple more skeptical views of raw food meat and bone diets for pets. They are worth a read and make some interesting points.

Raw Meat and Bone Diets for Dogs

Captive wolves live longest and are healthiest when fed ??? guess what? ??? commercial dog food! This is the recommendation of the leading specialists in captive wolf husbandry and medicine, and it is largely the result of evidence that the previous practice of feeding raw meat based diets to captive wolves led to poorer quality nutrition and health than the current practices. Certainly, raw meat and bones are often used as enrichment items or bait for husbandry purposes, but always with an awareness of the risks they pose, and never as the primary diet.

Raw Veterinary Diets

It is also important to point out that wolves and other wild carnivores generally live longer in captivity when fed cooked commercial diets, and the nutritional advisory group for American zoos recommends these diets over raw, whole prey for captive carnivores. And while cats often do hunt and eat whole prey, they also suffer from infections, parasites, and other illnesses related to eating birds and rodents. Raw whole prey is clearly not a natural diet for dogs. And it is not at all clear that raw prey is the healthiest or optimal food even for cats or other carnivores for which it is a natural diet.

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on December 02, 2011
at 12:51 PM

In addition to my observations, I find it very interesting to see how many holistic vets now support Raw Diets. Yes, these are the same vets who don't sell pet food from their "store" and who make considerably less than their allopathic counterparts. Who would you trust?

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(4878)

on December 02, 2011
at 12:44 PM

Interesting, and sad articles. First, the articles fail to mention that science is a trailing industry. (I say this as a doctoral student researcher who is currently in the bowels of data collection.) Without observation of specific phenomenon, many research projects would not exist. When I observe my dog's large cohort of "friends" who are now in the +10 years age group, those on a raw diet are CLEARLY more healthy. In fact, many kibble fed dogs in our neighborhood are now dying, while those of us who've chosen to feed raw (primarily Prey Model, not BARF) have dogs who look and act "young".

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(4878)

on December 02, 2011
at 12:46 PM

I have only to look in the dog park to see the striking difference between those fed a kibble/plant based diet and those fed raw. In fact, after 8 years of feeding raw, I can usually identify raw fed dogs through their physical smell and general health signs. I don't need a researcher to help me see the science, I can see it, smell it, and touch it...daily.

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on November 02, 2010
at 10:51 PM

my 1.5 year old pitbull is 100% meat fat and bones since day one. All raw all the time. He is in seriously good shape, sleeps alot, is super friendly, etc. And it saves me a serious chunk of money. Species-appropriate, for all species!

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on November 02, 2010
at 10:05 PM

Yes, my dog went primal/paleo before I did. It made a huge difference for her and for us on so many levels.

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(4878)

on December 02, 2011
at 01:34 AM

Me too! I've been feeding a Prey Model Raw diet for 8 years and will NEVER feed kibble again!

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4a1966b5bc00a9aefd3abd63b9913284

on November 02, 2010
at 06:03 PM

Yes. I feed my cat raw meat, organ meats, meaty bones (mainly chicken necks) and egg yolks. Bones fed small and raw are supposedly best for their soft nature so that they can be chewed and aren't as sharp (re: the tearing of the stomach note above). It remains to be seen how this will be helpful to my cat's health in the long-term as he's still just about a year and a half old now. What I can say is that when my last cat got sick very quickly and with an idiopathic condition (meaning the vets just had no idea what caused it), I immediately felt badly for having fed her cheap, grain-based food for her entire life. I didn't know then what I know now, but I knew that my next cat wouldn't be raised on a diet of essentially cereal. I thought, if I had a kid, would I feed it Total Cereal or protein bars it's whole life? No, I'd feed it real food.

Paleo Kitty (his name is Mason) even has a facebook page. Yes, really. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Paleo-Kitty/139884926048968

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on November 03, 2010
at 05:10 AM

Innova was just bought out by Proctor and Gamble. I am looking around for a new food for my dog and cat, maybe Orijen.

4a1966b5bc00a9aefd3abd63b9913284

on November 02, 2010
at 07:21 PM

I've heard that Evo by Innova is a decent brand that's grain-free too. Cats can be tough and I imagine switching one at 9 years old is nearly impossible. It's like trying to get a 70 year old person to change their diet, but worse. I think if you stick to a quality cooked/grain-free version you're doing well. As a side note, my little guy took to the raw food very easily when he was a kitten. He was 4 mos when I got him and I weened him over in a matter of a day or two. I used to give him the teeniest pieces of chicken, now I barely cut it up.

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on November 02, 2010
at 06:55 PM

I have tried for the last few months to get our 9 year old cat switched over to raw, but with no success. He flat out refuses anything raw. And I have tried everything, including quickly searing the meat, grinding it up to resemble canned...nothing worked. The best I could do was find the best cooked canned grain free food I could and feed him that. If we get another cat one day, we will start right from the get go to feeding raw.

03f5a69fde4012b827ebdb6d93b71e7a

(2007)

on November 03, 2010
at 04:59 AM

We're trying to switch our 12 year old kitty (see above) and have had limited (but some!) success so far. I have hope still but it's taking some serious experimentation and patience!

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on December 02, 2011
at 05:44 AM

The facebook page is adorable! I've started my cats on Before Grain brand cat food. I haven't even thought about raw food, organ meat, or bones. I'm pretty new to paleo and have no idea how to even cook with whole chickens or find unusual cuts of meat. Any pointers on easy ways to start my cats on this stuff?

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on November 02, 2010
at 05:58 PM

Huck eats burgers and eggs and bacon or sausage. His dry food is wheat-free with only a bit of rice. He is a happy bulldog.

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on November 02, 2010
at 05:19 PM

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on November 02, 2010
at 08:58 PM

Thanks speno. The questions archives have gotten so big that I guess no one else cares about duplicate questions any more.

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on November 02, 2010
at 05:04 PM

Our vet used to be an advocate for a raw food pet diet but she said she saw too many cases where the stomach was getting torn by bone fragments because it has been weakened by generations of kibble. I'm not 100% sure I believe it but that's what she told us...

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on November 03, 2010
at 05:03 AM

I think the prob is that most dogs and cats are far removed from the ancestors that once subsisted on wild raw animals. We have bred them away from a natural state and little Fifi the poodle may not longer have a stomach and intestines that are as tough as those of a wolf.

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on July 25, 2011
at 05:32 PM

We address this issue by feeding ground raw meat, with ground bones included (for chicken -- large bones, like from beef, I don't worry about). I think the worry is somewhat well-founded. Even if such trauma is rare, you don't want your beloved house-wolf to be the one it happens to.

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on December 02, 2011
at 12:17 PM

I have children. I need to save my money and time to create a healthy life for them. We try to buy decent quality kibble for our cats and dog, but it's still kibble. It's interesting how your priorities can shift when you have kids. Before babies, I was regularly taking my cat to a vet who gave him acupuncture to try to cure his asthma. Didn't work. A few puffs of Flovent did, and it never came back. (Oh, and if you've never given a cat an inhaler, I highly recommend the process. Fun times! Don't know why I didn't videotape it for America's Funniest Home Videos...)

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on December 02, 2011
at 01:35 AM

my dog isnt on a raw food diet...as i can barely afford for me to eat paleo...but he gets an organic, grain free food called "taste of the wild" its bison, venison, sweet potato and other veggies...no grain :] he loves it

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on January 06, 2011
at 04:09 PM

My SO isn't paleo (except in that he eats mostly my cooking, which is) and thinks I'm kind of crazy, so we compromised on feeding Pippi, our 7-month-old pit bull/whippet/??? mix grain-free wet food and kibble from Taste of the Wild. It's improved her stool quality, cut down on her noxious puppyfarts, and has given her a glossy coat. She's always had a great build (slender and ripped, thanks to her heritage, I suppose), but she's getting even more explosive strength.

Pippi likes sprinting with Mama at the park, and knows when the VFFs come on it's time for adventure.

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on January 06, 2011
at 03:56 PM

My dad is a dog trainer (check out www.naturaldogtraining.com) and has recommended Abady dog food for years. It might be on the pricy side but is good for mixing with grain-free kibble or Avoderm, etc.

Cara http://primroseandpaleo.wordpress.com

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on November 04, 2010
at 10:38 PM

I don't know what the policy for posting links to blogs is here, so I'm going to drop a few links that I think may be helpful. First time poster... If it's not OK... I guess I'll find out. :)

All my pets are on a raw diet. I have a (probably) 4 year old Aussie shepherd?/malamute? mix who I started when she was a rescue on a raw prey model diet. I can't attribute all her health improvements to raw food, but the change was very remarkable and she was fully recovered to normal after 5 months. She gained around 15 lbs. and grew a long and thick fur coat that we never could have imagined. When we got her, she had serious itching problems which I think may have been caused by kibble. You can see before and after pics here: http://sparkasynapse.blogspot.com/2008/06/dora-and-junior.html

It is now 1.5 years later and she pretty much looks just like that now... maybe with slightly thicker and longer fur.

I transitioned one of my cats to raw when the "pet food" scare happened around 4? years ago, before I got our dog as a rescue. So, when we got the dog, I was confident that I wanted to feed her raw food. In fact, all of this is what got me thinking about evolutionarily appropriate diets for humans, too. Since the cat was 8 at the time, the transition wasn't easy. I started with small chunks, mixing with tuna and tuna juice, etc., and gradually working up to bigger pieces. She was also really fussy about meat, too. For awhile she was eating pheasant from Whole Foods because she wouldn't eat anything else. Dang cat. Here's a video of that cat eating raw: http://sparkasynapse.blogspot.com/2008/10/where-i-post-graphic-videos.html

We adopted another wild cat about 1.5 years ago and she took right to it. I think she'd been eating a considerable number of chipmunks, voles, and such as she still wants to get out and get those.

The older cat never lost the tummy paunch (probably from being spayed?) but the younger, unspayed cat is very thin and has been fed raw since we got her. Our pets don't smell (this is a huge bonus to feeding raw), especially their breath. The cats have very silky fur and I noticed a big difference in fur after the orange tabby cat went raw.

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on November 03, 2010
at 10:15 PM

My cats don't seem to want to deal with raw food either, but I do feed them Natural Balance Green Pea and Duck - both dry and canned. Yeah, I know peas are a legume, and the formula also has some canola oil and flaxseed, but it doesn't have any cereal grains and it is also considered a less-allergenic formula because the food is what they call a single-source protein, limited ingredient diet.

All I know is that the younger one has lost some weight and the older - seriously neurotic - one has calmed down a little bit. NB also has a canned green pea and venison but my knucklehead doesn't like the venison (stupid cat).

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on November 03, 2010
at 06:02 AM

Tell me do you all Vaccinate and worm your pets?? The whole thing fascinates me. I wonder if they are strong and healthy are they then resistant to common pet disease??

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on November 02, 2010
at 09:02 PM

My German Shepard has been eating all raw meat since we got him at age 5 months. He's now 14 months old and growing stronger every day, has a great temperament, a perfect coat, and is never sick. Plus, his poop is small and nearly odor free, and disintegrates into the back yard lawn without any problems.

We feed him mostly chicken, with liver, beef heart, the occasional chuck roast or pork roast, and eggs for variety. Never any kibble or canned food, ever, except for using small dog bisquits as training treats, but not too many of those. I also add melted pan drippings to his food when I have extra, just to spice things up for him. He loves it all and he's super healthy and gorgeous.

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on November 02, 2010
at 08:07 PM

I did this for my pups, bought the "pet food" from US Wellness and mixed in organic pumpkin, etc. But I can't place orders there very often with it being a $75 minimum. I make them something impromptu like that from time to time. But now they are back on the canned garbage and I can tell they are not as lively. Can I please win the Lotto and I will feed them luxuriously everyday of our lives.

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on November 02, 2010
at 07:33 PM

Given the sheer quantity of small dead animal carnage my cats leave strewn around in a half-t0-mostly eaten state I would have to say yes, at least in part.

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on November 02, 2010
at 07:13 PM

Absolutely. he's a 41/2 y/o Rhodesian ridgeback who developed rashes inside his paws which he would gnaw on and was constantly scratching. He gets organic free range chicken organ meats when we buy our supply which we boil and refrigerate together. He gets 1/2 cup of that and 1/2 cup Taste of the Wild or Blue Diamond largely protein kibble 2 x a day. No scratching, no nibbling and no infections. He is a steady 85 lbs. and very lean. The vet-who trys to sell us Science Diet and Iams is impressed but disbelieving. Our Ridgie supplements his diet with rabbit, chipmonk and squirrel.

He is the embodiment of the paleo lifestyle. 2 hours of running at full speed-morning and night-followed by 20 hours of lounging around or sleeping.

If we tried to get him to fast we would have to lock ourselves in the basement for fear we would be the meal.

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on November 02, 2010
at 07:03 PM

I have 4 raw fed cats (going on 8 yrs raw for the oldest ones), and 3 grain free dogs (they get grain free kibble plus raw and cooked meats daily). Cats can be the hardest to switch to raw, their stubborn independent ways will hold onto junk food as long as possible....but their health difference is incredible.

Above someone mentioned their vet stopped recommending raw due to stomach perforations...I would wonder about that as well. As long as bones are raw, they 'should' be digested. Most dogs will have trouble digesting all cooked bones, those cause the MOST vet issues. ALTHOUGH, some pets do have difficulty on occasion with harder weight bearing bones or pork bones (like chicken leg bones), and if you ever see them pass through undigested you can easily omit them from the raw diet going forward.

Pics of the raw crew at Pet Meadow E

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on November 02, 2010
at 06:34 PM

Our two pugs get a chicken drum stick each in the morning and about 3 ounces of raw "pet burgers" from uswellnessmeats for dinner. Two of the leanest and strongest pugs you'll ever see. The girl has been eating this way since we brought her home at 3 months. The other guy is a rescue, his coat was a mess when he joined us, that's all cleared up now.

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on November 02, 2010
at 05:42 PM

Check out this 2 minute video of Jack Lalanne addressing the ancestral dog diet. His pup is GORGEOUS.

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on November 07, 2010
at 12:49 AM

Love it...happy dog

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on November 02, 2010
at 05:23 PM

Uh, no. I would rather get the cheaper dog food and buy more grass fed beef and (ridiculously expensive) raw macadamias. Sorry brady! I give him some steak from time to time though, when I'm not hungry and I decide to fast.

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on November 02, 2010
at 05:48 PM

you can feed your dog raw for about the same as with store kibble if you do local research on prices for cuts people don't want. Check with local butchers, farmers and go to your local Asian grocer if you have one.

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on November 04, 2010
at 06:29 PM

I got him some heart today, free! Also some ground turkey for tomorrow. He better be happy.

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on November 02, 2010
at 05:31 PM

Make friends with a butcher, you can improve brady's health on the cheap with scraps...similar cost to dog food

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on November 02, 2010
at 06:07 PM

Organ meat is super cheap.

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on November 02, 2010
at 09:20 PM

i fed my pet ground turkey, mostly, after reading "Natural Health for Dogs and Cats," where they recommended commercial turkey as much less "adulterated" than commercial (read "industrial") beef, pork, or chicken. it was quite inexpensive.

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on November 02, 2010
at 06:37 PM

Alright you guys are now guilting me into it... I'll ask next time if they have any scraps/cheap organ meats.

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on November 03, 2010
at 05:06 AM

My dog loves pancreas and other offal and that stuff is cheap!

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on November 02, 2010
at 05:17 PM

Unfortunately, no. It's a matter of both finance (I am currently unemployed and not eating as well as I would like to be, either) and my cat being totally picky (she LOVES cat food and the cheaper and crappier the better and never wants anything I am eating). We compromise on dry food that has no wheat, corn, soy or gluten (it does contain rice) and grain-free wet food pouches. I supplement this sometimes with bacon grease, water from canned salmon, coconut oil and bits of egg. She supplements with any insect that enters our apartment.

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on November 02, 2010
at 05:10 PM

My cats get Avoderm brand - the shelter said we should use it 'cause they do. They will only eat the chicken flavor. The ingredients starts: Chicken, Chicken Broth, Ocean Fish, Turkey, Kidney, Chicken Liver, Oat Bran, Rice Flour, Avocado Oil, Guar Gum, Salt, Carrageenan and then vitamins/minerals. Not totally paleo, but not bad.

We tried to get them to eat a raw food (meat) diet - they wouldn't go for it - they wanted what they were used to, I guess. We cut way back on the dry stuff, its a bit carby (grains) and they were gaining weight. Now they are lean and mostly happy/healthy. One cat has feline herpes which acts up once in a while - and we give her Lysine treats for that.

Both the cats are of the unwanted type. We adopted them at almost 1 year old. She is a tortoise hair and ADHD with a swishy Mae West walk. He (Mr. Magoo) is a big grey tiger with one removed (bad infection as a kitty) - but he still hunts down every bug and eats them. He also loves bacon and butter! So he's kinda paleo after all!

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on November 03, 2010
at 05:04 AM

There are grain free kibbles, very high protein with a bit of potato. That's what my pets eat, along with lots of meat table scraps.

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on November 03, 2010
at 03:54 PM

We've tried a number of different brands - they will only eat this.

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