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What would I feed a Paleo puppy?

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Created April 16, 2011 at 7:17 PM

I recently lost my dog to a genetic disease. She was fed 'good quality' kibble from the vet.

A friend has a friend who is a geneticist at Lincoln Uni, who is expecting puppies next week. Labradoodles. He has apparently gone to great lengths to minimize any known genetic diseases. We have put our names down for a puppy.

As you can imagine this is a bitter sweet moment.

The question? A paleo puppy? Obviously dogs/wolves did not evolve eating kibble. Does anyone have a paleo puppy? What do you feed it, when and how?

Kit

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on April 24, 2011
at 04:08 AM

No, he doesn't need time, he needs BONES, Raw MEATY BONES. Chicken necks, backs, and feet are great supplements for days when you are feeding just meat. You need to learn how your dog's poop dictates what you should feed him. PLEASE, get a mentor in your neighborhood before you harm your dog.

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on April 19, 2011
at 11:13 PM

I thought my older dog was going to die in a few years before I started them raw 6 years ago. She could barely walk, poor thing (a lot of that was from injuries she has suffered, but her stiffness, arthritis and joint problems are pretty much gone now), was going blind - and at only 8 years old and 25 lbs (it's worth noting she is only about 16-17 lbs now!). I was so pleasantly surprised to see a reversal in her health. She has such pep everyone thinks she is still a puppy.

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on April 19, 2011
at 02:59 PM

i 2nd that! We have a 15 yr old Australian shepherd that I thought was on death's doorstep 2 yrs ago. That just keeps on trucking now that she eats raw. Her body is full of fatty tumors - I can only imagine how much raw could have helped her avoid those in her younger years.

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on April 19, 2011
at 05:35 AM

Yes, you could do that, but it is best to start with buying whole prey (chickens, or game hens are easy) and portioning out the daily meals to teach YOU how to portion the 80/10/10 ratios. The volume relates to the dogs' age, activity level, and metabolism. You'll find feeding raw should be called Custom Raw. Here are some links to get you started: Web Pages: http://www.rawlearning.com http://www.rawmeatybones.com http://www.rawfed.com/myths/ http://www.rawfeddogs.net/

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on April 19, 2011
at 04:59 AM

great blog post there! I have a Cavalier Spaniel and a Boston Terrier, both are pretty active. Right now they eat Acana, plus coconut oil, fish oil, and sardines. I've been wanting to transition to raw meat / bones but haven't had a clue what to buy exactly and how much to give each of them. I suppose I could just do meat scraps/leftovers from what I cook (ground beef, fatty beef cuts, lamb, lamb liver) and then get occasional meaty bones somewhere would work pretty well? Would I want to shoot for about 2/3 lb a day for the 21lb Cavalier, and 1/3 lb a day for the 12 lb Boston Terrier?

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on April 19, 2011
at 04:51 AM

Bruno, he may also just need time to adjust to the new diet.

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on April 19, 2011
at 04:49 AM

We've transitioned from BARF to mostly Prey Model and never knew there was a term for it. It just kind of happened out of convenience since we raise our own chickens, rabbits and goats. :-)

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on April 18, 2011
at 02:57 PM

Bruno - those thick bones (like cow femur) are called "teeth wreckers" - stay away from those even in raw form. Chicken leg quarters are a great way to add a little bone into a meaty meal.

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on April 18, 2011
at 11:05 AM

He gets thick bones with marrow in them. Not consistently eating the bone, though, he uses it more as a chew toy. I'll start giving him more bones for food. Thanks!

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on April 17, 2011
at 07:49 PM

Bruno - how much bone is he getting? - some need more than others. Marrow and offal can cause diarrhea if not balanced out with bone

16846467115e18d283565a19c374ee07

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on April 17, 2011
at 06:30 PM

I've also began raw feeding my dog. His waste has been consistently diarrhea, though. Did this happen with your dogs? Or am I feeding my dog too little marrow and offal? Any help would be really appreciated. Thanks!

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on April 17, 2011
at 03:50 PM

BARF is best, but barring that, a Grain free dog food is better than standard kibble.

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on April 17, 2011
at 03:37 PM

(BTW, yes, I own a "Pet" quality dog requiring about $800/year in additional vet care. He was also a 5 y/o rescue when he arrived, so I knew in advance of his perfect personality and not so perfect body. My recommendation is to work with a good rescue org in your neighborhood, one that has the ability for you to foster a health and temperament tested dog. (http://idog.biz/index.html)

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on April 17, 2011
at 03:37 PM

Somewhat OT: Kit, regarding your breeder's goals, I'd also ask if they have at least 3 generations of PennHip certified dogs and I'd ask to see the actual genetic certificates. (http://research.vet.upenn.edu/Default.aspx?alias=research.vet.upenn.edu/pennhip) Doodle/mutts can be genetically more sound, but I would take great precautions when buying a puppy. There are no guarantees with puppies w/r/t physical or emotional soundness. Breeders will say what ever necessary to sell their product, especially for "pet" quality dogs.

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on April 17, 2011
at 02:04 PM

ironic, since Nature's Variety sources their lamb meat from NZ

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on April 17, 2011
at 12:45 PM

tripe and boiled sheeps head. The flesh just falls off the head and the brains go down very well. Makes the dog's coat look very healthy.

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on April 16, 2011
at 11:56 PM

I've been raw feeding my pup for three and a half years now (almost as long as I've been LC/Paleo). He's thriving -- whenever we go to the dog park, he's among the best-looking, healthiest dogs there. (Of course I'm not biased; why would you think that? ;D ) I agree with Lindsay about the organ meats. Also make sure he can gnaw on plenty of bones. I've got a butcher who grinds dog food from whole chickens (everything but the feathers), and from beef, lamb and pork, and sells bags for a buck a pound. If you've got a local butcher who'll do that for you, it'll save you time, money, and muck.

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on April 16, 2011
at 10:11 PM

I am in NZ, so I am not sure if these are available here.

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on April 16, 2011
at 09:21 PM

just make sure you get a balanced source of organ meats too!

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on April 16, 2011
at 07:46 PM

Thank you for the article, interesting. I need to read it again more slowly! I also think I need to get the book.

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on April 16, 2011
at 07:40 PM

Thank you for the link

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on April 16, 2011
at 07:28 PM

exactly what I was going to answer. I've been begging my mother to try it out for her dogs.

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on April 16, 2011
at 07:26 PM

There's a big movement on this lately. It can be expensive but it the food is out there.

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Ab566019baa884ec9e3327c108586ff8

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on April 16, 2011
at 07:31 PM

Raw feeding my dogs is what got me started into Paleo - I saw my dogs thriving eating a species appropriate diet and asked myself why I wasn't doing the same

There are a TON of resources out there on the net for getting started.

here is a history of commercial dog food (to help confirm your correct decision)

there are a lot of raw feeding email groups like this one on yahoo that is a wealth of info for a newbie

I have 4 big dogs so it is a lot more of a job for me sourcing 6-8 lbs of meat everyday. At first it seems like a ton of work, but it (like most things) becomes a habit and gets easier everyday.

You don't need to spend the real big bucks on prepared "raw" food. Any grocery meat dept or helpful butcher will do ;-)

Here is a picture of a typical meal. We follow the prey model diet and they typical get 80% meat, 10% organ, and 10% bone over the course of a week.

A4f9da7d094aa72508853588682b65f7

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on April 16, 2011
at 07:46 PM

Thank you for the article, interesting. I need to read it again more slowly! I also think I need to get the book.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on April 16, 2011
at 11:56 PM

I've been raw feeding my pup for three and a half years now (almost as long as I've been LC/Paleo). He's thriving -- whenever we go to the dog park, he's among the best-looking, healthiest dogs there. (Of course I'm not biased; why would you think that? ;D ) I agree with Lindsay about the organ meats. Also make sure he can gnaw on plenty of bones. I've got a butcher who grinds dog food from whole chickens (everything but the feathers), and from beef, lamb and pork, and sells bags for a buck a pound. If you've got a local butcher who'll do that for you, it'll save you time, money, and muck.

16846467115e18d283565a19c374ee07

(323)

on April 17, 2011
at 06:30 PM

I've also began raw feeding my dog. His waste has been consistently diarrhea, though. Did this happen with your dogs? Or am I feeding my dog too little marrow and offal? Any help would be really appreciated. Thanks!

Ab566019baa884ec9e3327c108586ff8

(1055)

on April 17, 2011
at 07:49 PM

Bruno - how much bone is he getting? - some need more than others. Marrow and offal can cause diarrhea if not balanced out with bone

Eea4c0f072bb5caa74c1fbe6dfab5f46

(942)

on April 16, 2011
at 09:21 PM

just make sure you get a balanced source of organ meats too!

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on April 17, 2011
at 03:50 PM

BARF is best, but barring that, a Grain free dog food is better than standard kibble.

Ab566019baa884ec9e3327c108586ff8

(1055)

on April 18, 2011
at 02:57 PM

Bruno - those thick bones (like cow femur) are called "teeth wreckers" - stay away from those even in raw form. Chicken leg quarters are a great way to add a little bone into a meaty meal.

Cfccbcf3450ac4919311ded8ef162d49

(2312)

on April 19, 2011
at 04:51 AM

Bruno, he may also just need time to adjust to the new diet.

16846467115e18d283565a19c374ee07

(323)

on April 18, 2011
at 11:05 AM

He gets thick bones with marrow in them. Not consistently eating the bone, though, he uses it more as a chew toy. I'll start giving him more bones for food. Thanks!

Medium avatar

(4878)

on April 24, 2011
at 04:08 AM

No, he doesn't need time, he needs BONES, Raw MEATY BONES. Chicken necks, backs, and feet are great supplements for days when you are feeding just meat. You need to learn how your dog's poop dictates what you should feed him. PLEASE, get a mentor in your neighborhood before you harm your dog.

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(4878)

on April 17, 2011
at 06:28 AM

Research "Prey Model Raw" as it is much lower labor than BARF and makes more sense in the long run. (Most people transition from BARF to Prey.) You should also be feeding green tripe and supplementing with Omegas (Salmon and coconut oil). , One of the most interesting, and sad, things to watch is your dog aging relative to your neighbor's dog. In the eight years I've been feeding raw, it has been shocking to see the decline of kibble fed dogs while our raw fed dogs keep on truckin'.

And here's a little helpful blog to keep your costs down: link text

Cfccbcf3450ac4919311ded8ef162d49

(2312)

on April 19, 2011
at 04:49 AM

We've transitioned from BARF to mostly Prey Model and never knew there was a term for it. It just kind of happened out of convenience since we raise our own chickens, rabbits and goats. :-)

Medium avatar

(4878)

on April 19, 2011
at 05:35 AM

Yes, you could do that, but it is best to start with buying whole prey (chickens, or game hens are easy) and portioning out the daily meals to teach YOU how to portion the 80/10/10 ratios. The volume relates to the dogs' age, activity level, and metabolism. You'll find feeding raw should be called Custom Raw. Here are some links to get you started: Web Pages: http://www.rawlearning.com http://www.rawmeatybones.com http://www.rawfed.com/myths/ http://www.rawfeddogs.net/

A2fe5bbd09c7804fd321e9e9a9f9d199

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on April 19, 2011
at 04:59 AM

great blog post there! I have a Cavalier Spaniel and a Boston Terrier, both are pretty active. Right now they eat Acana, plus coconut oil, fish oil, and sardines. I've been wanting to transition to raw meat / bones but haven't had a clue what to buy exactly and how much to give each of them. I suppose I could just do meat scraps/leftovers from what I cook (ground beef, fatty beef cuts, lamb, lamb liver) and then get occasional meaty bones somewhere would work pretty well? Would I want to shoot for about 2/3 lb a day for the 21lb Cavalier, and 1/3 lb a day for the 12 lb Boston Terrier?

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Eea4c0f072bb5caa74c1fbe6dfab5f46

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on April 16, 2011
at 07:28 PM

Feed your paleo pets what they're designed to eat. No cooked foods and no grains. What wolf worth his salt starts up the bbq before chowing down? Cats are obligate carnivores, dogs can have some fruit/veg but research shows that a nutrient balanced (per species) raw-animal food diet is amazing. I have fed my dogs/cats on this stuff (yes $$$) but their coat, clearness in their eyes and health has been flawless.

Check out:

there are lots of others out there but those are the ones I tend to switch through. My cats right now eat Nature's Variety org. chicken and rabbit.

A4f9da7d094aa72508853588682b65f7

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on April 16, 2011
at 10:11 PM

I am in NZ, so I am not sure if these are available here.

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on April 17, 2011
at 02:04 PM

ironic, since Nature's Variety sources their lamb meat from NZ

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on April 16, 2011
at 07:27 PM

http://www.barfworld.com/

B.A.R.F stands for bones and raw food

what dogs and cats should be eating...

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on April 16, 2011
at 07:28 PM

exactly what I was going to answer. I've been begging my mother to try it out for her dogs.

A4f9da7d094aa72508853588682b65f7

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on April 16, 2011
at 07:40 PM

Thank you for the link

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on April 19, 2011
at 03:53 AM

Optimal primal diet for dogs and cats is raw meat, whole bones (fully consumed and digested) and organs, zero-carb. I don't have a puppy but my dogs are 11 and 14, it has cured all their health problems and it looks like they will live forever.

Ab566019baa884ec9e3327c108586ff8

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on April 19, 2011
at 02:59 PM

i 2nd that! We have a 15 yr old Australian shepherd that I thought was on death's doorstep 2 yrs ago. That just keeps on trucking now that she eats raw. Her body is full of fatty tumors - I can only imagine how much raw could have helped her avoid those in her younger years.

26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

(7967)

on April 19, 2011
at 11:13 PM

I thought my older dog was going to die in a few years before I started them raw 6 years ago. She could barely walk, poor thing (a lot of that was from injuries she has suffered, but her stiffness, arthritis and joint problems are pretty much gone now), was going blind - and at only 8 years old and 25 lbs (it's worth noting she is only about 16-17 lbs now!). I was so pleasantly surprised to see a reversal in her health. She has such pep everyone thinks she is still a puppy.

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on April 17, 2011
at 05:42 AM

I made my dogs raw food for a few years. Ground turkey, some veg and starchy tubers. I added more meat fat when I had it. Eventually I went with a small local maker of a balanced raw diet. Similar ingredients but organic, pasture-raised meat and bones and some veg. She just turned 14. Glad I made the decision to feed raw.

For what it's worth just raw muscle meat may not be enough. Their natural diet would have included a lot of fat, organ meats some bone and green tripe or intestine with fermented vegetation still in it. So be sure to include more than muscle meat in your homemade food or buy a balanced raw diet.

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