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Evidence against PHD

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Created January 09, 2012 at 4:12 AM

The evidence for much of the recommendations in the PHD seems compelling. However, it is also useful to keep in mind what hidden biases may exist and which points are more solid (and less likely to change) than others. The book, as expected, does not cover evidence contrary to the recommendations. I would like to know what others think the weakest points in the book are. What data exists which might indicate that eating large quantities of SaF and MUFAs might not be so good for you.

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on January 10, 2012
at 03:23 AM

So nicely said wabbit.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on January 09, 2012
at 12:53 PM

I see your time away didn't do anything for that severe case of assholitis you have. Why ask for a copy of the book when you already know everything there's to know?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on January 09, 2012
at 12:30 PM

@Wisper: I don't have problem with copyright infringement which is phenomena that suffocates civilization and slows down science. But if it feels you any better you can glue 'demo copy' over every page and send it over. I promise to delete it 24 hours after I get it.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on January 09, 2012
at 12:25 PM

@Bastard: You skipped the section where I said that I read entire site. Thats probably because you lack some brain nutrientz or starch interferes too much

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on January 09, 2012
at 12:25 PM

@Bastard: You skipped the section where I said that I red entire site. Thats probably because you lack some brain nutrientz or starch interferes too much.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on January 09, 2012
at 12:22 PM

_Our ancestors ate tubers, as do hunter-gatherer societies today, so I eat them too_ That is off topic and is also location dependent. You must understand that eating something to survive doesn't have to do anything with optimal body chemistry. I never said I think tubbers are bad, I just don't jump in and say you gonna have mucus problems without them, joint problems, tears problems etc. Thats entirely another thing.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on January 09, 2012
at 12:20 PM

Wisper, I prefer to explain on the location. You can see my comments on PHD site. See for instance: http://perfecthealthdiet.com/?p=4878#comment-33654

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

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on January 09, 2012
at 12:13 PM

paraphrased: "i'm gonna say some very dickish and speculative things about a book i've never read. I'm gonna then say some dickish and speculative things about a man i've never met. Feel free to give me a copy of some shit i already have an opinion on." Instead of replying to the nutritional aspect of your question, I think that your credibiity on knowing wtf you're talking about went down the drain when you called Paul J charismatic. Paul J is a very nice person but charismatic, he is not. People listen to Paul because he is one of the most thorough and thoughtful voices out there.

Bfddc0ab925c8ea0e0c2e87198514907

on January 09, 2012
at 10:43 AM

Our ancestors ate tubers, as do hunter-gatherer societies today, so I eat them too. Eating what a caveman ate is a safer paradigm for me to follow than trying to make perfect sense of all the conflicting "science". It may not suit the metabolically deranged (although I was most certainly metabolically deranged and I got better eating them), but I can't believe that tubers are fundamentally bad for us in moderation.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

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on January 09, 2012
at 10:40 AM

Not sure what "feel free to drop me by" means, but it sounds like you are asking for copyright infringement. Rights on intellectual property might not be paleo, but they are part of most jurisdictions in the world. You also don't explain what you mean are the weak points of PHD's position on safe starches or fish oil recommendations.

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on January 10, 2012
at 01:20 AM

You can be forgiven for not having read much beyond the PHD book, but you should know that Paleo Solution, Primal Blueprint, Weston A Price, HFLC, Protein Power, and a host of other similar diets that follow Paleo roots all welcome large quantities of SaF and MUFAs. Beyond diet books there are Good Calories, Bad Calories etc.. as sources in support of high fat as well. PHD is far from alone in this.

Of course much depends on your definition of "large quantities" of fat, as opposed to the SAD (standard american diet) where people eat large quantities of sugars, grains, and seed oils and actually do get fat and unhealthy, as one can plainly see wherever one travels.

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on January 10, 2012
at 03:23 AM

So nicely said wabbit.

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543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on January 10, 2012
at 04:00 AM

Just focussing on the "I would like to know what others think the weakest points in the book are" part of your question;

Personally i have not gone looking for the weakest points of PHD.

But for a contrary view to some of PHD (if you have not seen it already), you may want to take a look at some of what Dr Rosedale has to say; http://drrosedale.com/blog/2011/11/22/is-the-term-safe-starches-an-oxymoron/

There may be some references there for you.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on January 09, 2012
at 10:13 AM

You have to be some freak with damaged beta oxidation pathways or something, like CPTI deficiency etc.

The weak points of PHD, IMO, are:

  • Safe starch. Extremely weak and totally speculative, no real evidence to support it IMO. Lots of papers referring to damaged people on which he xtrapolates for normal people. Lots of references to case examples from his followers and nobody can tell how those people actually behave.

  • Fish oil recommendations are IMO unsubstantiated.

  • Maybe off topic but, very inert community - nobody really questions anything, everybody is like "thank you u are awesome". He is cool dude, but his charismatic personality drives substantial percent of the followers. If we remove "thank you" and "help me" posts we will be left with few analytic comments on entire site.

Other then that, I think its one of the better diet plans around. Didn't read the book tho, although I read almost entire blog. If you have a electronic copy, feel free to drop me by. :)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on January 09, 2012
at 12:22 PM

_Our ancestors ate tubers, as do hunter-gatherer societies today, so I eat them too_ That is off topic and is also location dependent. You must understand that eating something to survive doesn't have to do anything with optimal body chemistry. I never said I think tubbers are bad, I just don't jump in and say you gonna have mucus problems without them, joint problems, tears problems etc. Thats entirely another thing.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on January 09, 2012
at 12:53 PM

I see your time away didn't do anything for that severe case of assholitis you have. Why ask for a copy of the book when you already know everything there's to know?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on January 09, 2012
at 12:25 PM

@Bastard: You skipped the section where I said that I red entire site. Thats probably because you lack some brain nutrientz or starch interferes too much.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on January 09, 2012
at 12:13 PM

paraphrased: "i'm gonna say some very dickish and speculative things about a book i've never read. I'm gonna then say some dickish and speculative things about a man i've never met. Feel free to give me a copy of some shit i already have an opinion on." Instead of replying to the nutritional aspect of your question, I think that your credibiity on knowing wtf you're talking about went down the drain when you called Paul J charismatic. Paul J is a very nice person but charismatic, he is not. People listen to Paul because he is one of the most thorough and thoughtful voices out there.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on January 09, 2012
at 12:20 PM

Wisper, I prefer to explain on the location. You can see my comments on PHD site. See for instance: http://perfecthealthdiet.com/?p=4878#comment-33654

Bfddc0ab925c8ea0e0c2e87198514907

on January 09, 2012
at 10:43 AM

Our ancestors ate tubers, as do hunter-gatherer societies today, so I eat them too. Eating what a caveman ate is a safer paradigm for me to follow than trying to make perfect sense of all the conflicting "science". It may not suit the metabolically deranged (although I was most certainly metabolically deranged and I got better eating them), but I can't believe that tubers are fundamentally bad for us in moderation.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on January 09, 2012
at 12:30 PM

@Wisper: I don't have problem with copyright infringement which is phenomena that suffocates civilization and slows down science. But if it feels you any better you can glue 'demo copy' over every page and send it over. I promise to delete it 24 hours after I get it.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on January 09, 2012
at 10:40 AM

Not sure what "feel free to drop me by" means, but it sounds like you are asking for copyright infringement. Rights on intellectual property might not be paleo, but they are part of most jurisdictions in the world. You also don't explain what you mean are the weak points of PHD's position on safe starches or fish oil recommendations.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on January 09, 2012
at 12:25 PM

@Bastard: You skipped the section where I said that I read entire site. Thats probably because you lack some brain nutrientz or starch interferes too much

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