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Yet another weight loss question

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created July 20, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Background: 5'7, female, 208lbs.

Three years ago I went from 230 to 170 with light workouts and WW. I had a late miscarriage at 18w and then got pregnant with my son who was born last August. I have lost 0 pounds since he was born, though by photos I am clearly toning and building some muscle.

I have been eating clean since January, full paleo since March.

I have 38lbs until my pre-pregnancy weight and 58 to my goal. I am starting Crossfit next week with an On Ramp program and then pan on working out as I am able (skill, DOMS etc). I have quit my traditional gym membership.

My Day looks like: B: 2 eggs, coconut oil, chicken sausage, veggies with coconut milk and espresso (latte) and a bit of agave L: Turkey burger with avocado, broccoli S: banana and almonds D: Protein/Veg combo (either a 93% beef burger and avo or fried egg and some sort of veg like a salad or side of baked veggies with vinegar as a dressing S: sometimes a piece of fruit or 1/2c So Delicious ice cream

I probably have one slip-up per week. I am working on this. Besides that, what else can I try, keeping in mind I'm about to start Crossfit?

Thanks a lot!

091423a30c0188fbff51e39397e7e056

(384)

on July 22, 2012
at 04:19 AM

Also, if your body composition is changing in the mirror then you are doing what you need to do. Weight isn't a 1:1 reflection of your fitness; body fat percentage is much better.

091423a30c0188fbff51e39397e7e056

(384)

on July 22, 2012
at 04:18 AM

Get your body fat percentage and calculate your BMR. That will allow you to count calories correctly.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on July 22, 2012
at 03:48 AM

Its so interesting how many woman are saying this. I do not think high fat works for everyone.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on July 22, 2012
at 03:46 AM

I seriously doubt it Manymoons58. 1500 is not dangerously low at all. The point is that she should be losing at that level, and she is not. Leptin is in its very early stages of being understood.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on July 22, 2012
at 03:04 AM

Sov - you may not have low thyroid, I do understand that BUT... if you have low thyroid symptoms besides low metabolism/inability to lose weight and your numbers a within the Reference Range but the lower end of the range - you may in fact have low thyroid. YOu may want to go this website and read about low thyroid symptoms. http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on July 22, 2012
at 03:01 AM

I had hoped to avoid such nonsense as this app (Livestrong My Plate) but its actually helping. I now realize that I was underestimating my intake by 100-300 cals a day and for me, that is enough to not lose anything. I really wonder why you are not losing at 1500. Thyroid? (Im obsessed)

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

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on July 22, 2012
at 02:59 AM

Sov-wow really. It seemed like more when I read that list. Do U have low thyroid by chance? Im older than U & I have Hashimoto's hypothyroid.Even though I am on thyroid hrt, I still have low metabolism. Im taking a break right now from really intense exercise cuz it was just pissing me off. Im very active but am now only FINALLY able to lose weight by eating less than 1375kcal a day. Im not on a points system (although WW was next up for me out of desperation) I only have 3-5 pounds to lose now but nothing was happening until I downloaded an app and started tracking every morsle.

1296732e87fbf070566afe641ca0c089

on July 21, 2012
at 01:30 PM

1500 calories for a 5' 7" person is not a lot of calories. If Sov is consuming under her BMR, she is probably messing up her metabolism and lepton as Bill pointed out. Follow the advice of cleaning out the sugar, lower the nuts and up the veg. Better protein sources might help but it is probably the sugar more than anything else.

705b3b39d8f41d7921d52fc89245708f

(65)

on July 21, 2012
at 03:57 AM

I'm going to research this tonight. I never intended on LC or VLC but fruit usually hurts my stomach and there isn't a whole lot of other carbs I've found paleo-friendly. Do you have any suggestions? I appreciate it!

705b3b39d8f41d7921d52fc89245708f

(65)

on July 21, 2012
at 03:56 AM

Crowlover - I had my thyroid checked and it's fine, which is frustrating. And thanks for the info, of course it's fat I want to lose.

705b3b39d8f41d7921d52fc89245708f

(65)

on July 21, 2012
at 03:54 AM

Today I ate almost exactly what I posted here and it came in at 1500 calories. Is this high for weight loss? I hadn't been watching caloric intake mostly because I was under the impression I didn't need to with paleo. I've only ever lost weight on a points system. I know everyone is different.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on July 21, 2012
at 02:34 AM

THanks for the synopsis Bill1102. I have heard of that google thing you mention ;) and have read a bit about Leptin. Have not heard that eating carbs will help. Maybe I misunderstood. Anyway, I know Kruse says that if you are Fat, you are leptin resistant, but others don't say that at all. I have only 5 pounds of fat to lose and mine was average but not optimal. I think there is a lot about Leptin that is not know. Thank you

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

(6719)

on July 21, 2012
at 01:38 AM

You can read the research and information on LEPTIN by utilizing google but I can sum it up here. If you are FAT, you are LEPTIN RESISTENT, if you are LEPTIN RESISTANT it would benefit you greatly to increase it periodically. LEPTIN will not increase unless you eat carbs. No carbs = Low Leptin. Low Leptin = other hormonal changes, weight loss stalling, etc.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on July 20, 2012
at 10:39 PM

Bill1002 do you have any info/links for vlc/lc causing Leptin to be "out of whack". I not heard this and would like to know about it since my Leptin is higher than it should be. Thanks

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on July 20, 2012
at 10:20 PM

Sov what you say makes sense. Of course a 5'7" woman who weighs 208 has fat to lose. On this site, if you say "lose weight" then you will get called on it ;) Just say you want to lose fat cuz that is what you mean! Is your thyroid OK? Mine went whacky after my third kid and its been hell to stabilize. I am now finally losing pounds of fat by eating "clean" and also faily low call. If I eat more than 1400kcal a day I will not lose fat. Period. Many woman complain of this and they too often figure out they are hypothroid. Then again, your diet example seems pretty high-ish calorie to me

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on July 20, 2012
at 10:15 PM

honestly Sov, that seems like a lot of food. It doesn't seem like a diet for trying to lose pounds of fat. Just being honest. You likely need a lot less calories.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on July 20, 2012
at 10:13 PM

not sure why you say she "should be losing weight right now" That's a lot of food/calories. I would gain weight.

D63a9a7789b948a1e88647f6c0e504ca

(1453)

on July 20, 2012
at 09:47 PM

Honey is also mostly fructose. If you want something gooey and sweet, consider Rice Syrup -- mostly glucose, recommended on the Perfect Health Diet version of paleo.

C8f74d79f56eb5a52a05807bca92090f

(128)

on July 20, 2012
at 07:59 PM

In response to the "down-vote" my answer received, I've lost 32 pounds without counting a single calorie and by following these simple guidelines: http://paleodietlifestyle.com/paleo-101/ No complex formulas here... just eating clean.

C8f74d79f56eb5a52a05807bca92090f

(128)

on July 20, 2012
at 07:30 PM

One more thought... if you've eliminated iodized salt from your diet, you might consider adding kelp to your diet or another source of iodine to help keep your thyroid functioning properly!

705b3b39d8f41d7921d52fc89245708f

(65)

on July 20, 2012
at 07:12 PM

The Agave thing was eye opening! Thanks. I'll pick up some raw honey instead!

B8592e62f9804ddabae73c1103d6bcb9

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on July 20, 2012
at 06:53 PM

Agave is pure fructose, better to swap that for like stevia.

705b3b39d8f41d7921d52fc89245708f

(65)

on July 20, 2012
at 06:47 PM

Yep! I make them myself from ground meat I buy fresh from the local butcher.

F5be4be097edc85690c12d67ee1a27c0

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on July 20, 2012
at 06:45 PM

The thing about the turkey burgers and beef burgers... I'd say it's totally fine if you are getting the meat fresh and preparing it. I'd be really cautious if you're getting them frozen or prepackaged.

F5be4be097edc85690c12d67ee1a27c0

(1884)

on July 20, 2012
at 06:44 PM

At Sprouts they have a lot of sausages to choose from, and they make all of theirs fresh with no added nitrates or anything. Just meat and seasoning I was told. Even then, I keep sausage to a once a week or once every two week type of thing. That's just me, I don't know why I do it. I just recognized that I lose weight not eating it all the time (sausage fanatic). I've seen improvement since reducing my fruit intake and same with nuts. So everything I said to you has just proven to be effective with myself.

705b3b39d8f41d7921d52fc89245708f

(65)

on July 20, 2012
at 06:35 PM

The sausage is one of the Trader Joe's brand ones. Would a suitable replacement be a grilled chicken or turkey meat? All burgers are just the patty. No bun, sometimes lettuce but usually not. Thanks for your suggestions! It starts today. I appreciate it!

705b3b39d8f41d7921d52fc89245708f

(65)

on July 20, 2012
at 06:25 PM

While I wholeheartedly agree that it's not the # that matters, it's basically impossible to ignore that I'm still grossly overweight and unhappy with how I both look and feel. But you are right, I need to stop focusing on the number. I actually put up the scale this last weekend because it was stressing me out, and I know it doesn't really matter. Not like I'm walking down the street with '208' on my forehead.

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F5be4be097edc85690c12d67ee1a27c0

on July 20, 2012
at 06:25 PM

Cut out the ice cream, decrease your nut intake seeing as you're having it with already a large meal... cut your fruit intake to 1 serving per day... is the sausage something that comes processed in a box in the refrigerated section of the store? I'd cut it out unless it's made fresh at the store you're purchasing from or by yourself. I'd cut out the latte and agave... I'd cut out the turkey burger (are you eating a bun or lettuce wrap?) and I'd cut out the beef burger if you're also eating the bun.

That being said, you are allowing yourself a lot of "iffy" things in a single day. The reason you are sitting still at that weight is because you are eating healthy and then "iffy" things just to top off the day to make you maintain.

705b3b39d8f41d7921d52fc89245708f

(65)

on July 20, 2012
at 06:35 PM

The sausage is one of the Trader Joe's brand ones. Would a suitable replacement be a grilled chicken or turkey meat? All burgers are just the patty. No bun, sometimes lettuce but usually not. Thanks for your suggestions! It starts today. I appreciate it!

F5be4be097edc85690c12d67ee1a27c0

(1884)

on July 20, 2012
at 06:44 PM

At Sprouts they have a lot of sausages to choose from, and they make all of theirs fresh with no added nitrates or anything. Just meat and seasoning I was told. Even then, I keep sausage to a once a week or once every two week type of thing. That's just me, I don't know why I do it. I just recognized that I lose weight not eating it all the time (sausage fanatic). I've seen improvement since reducing my fruit intake and same with nuts. So everything I said to you has just proven to be effective with myself.

705b3b39d8f41d7921d52fc89245708f

(65)

on July 20, 2012
at 06:47 PM

Yep! I make them myself from ground meat I buy fresh from the local butcher.

F5be4be097edc85690c12d67ee1a27c0

(1884)

on July 20, 2012
at 06:45 PM

The thing about the turkey burgers and beef burgers... I'd say it's totally fine if you are getting the meat fresh and preparing it. I'd be really cautious if you're getting them frozen or prepackaged.

2
286a4ff7c362241c5c4b020df4972212

on July 20, 2012
at 11:36 PM

Keeping the High fat in my diet that was already calorie restricted to a point - did me no favours - I also had to go low fat it might be worth dropping the coconut milk

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on July 22, 2012
at 03:48 AM

Its so interesting how many woman are saying this. I do not think high fat works for everyone.

1
F8b81015a1f855b0a24d286731f1f979

on July 20, 2012
at 11:29 PM

Crossfit is crap, don't do it. Instead, sign up for a gym that lets you do your routine and make a routine perfect for YOU.

1
1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

on July 20, 2012
at 07:31 PM

You don't INCREASE your 'animal fat' (from here) in order to lose bodyfat. You decrease total calories in order to lose bodyfat and increase activity.

You are eating one banana a day? So your LC/VLCing it. Your not going to be happy doing crossfit. Im surprised your not miserable as it is.

Guaranteed your Leptin level is out of whack due to almost no carbs and high fat/protein.

This can throw your other hormones out of whack too.

You should/could be losing weight right now.

Drop the nuts. Drop the fructose/fruit/agave.

Consume carbs PWO.

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

(6719)

on July 21, 2012
at 01:38 AM

You can read the research and information on LEPTIN by utilizing google but I can sum it up here. If you are FAT, you are LEPTIN RESISTENT, if you are LEPTIN RESISTANT it would benefit you greatly to increase it periodically. LEPTIN will not increase unless you eat carbs. No carbs = Low Leptin. Low Leptin = other hormonal changes, weight loss stalling, etc.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on July 20, 2012
at 10:39 PM

Bill1002 do you have any info/links for vlc/lc causing Leptin to be "out of whack". I not heard this and would like to know about it since my Leptin is higher than it should be. Thanks

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on July 21, 2012
at 02:34 AM

THanks for the synopsis Bill1102. I have heard of that google thing you mention ;) and have read a bit about Leptin. Have not heard that eating carbs will help. Maybe I misunderstood. Anyway, I know Kruse says that if you are Fat, you are leptin resistant, but others don't say that at all. I have only 5 pounds of fat to lose and mine was average but not optimal. I think there is a lot about Leptin that is not know. Thank you

705b3b39d8f41d7921d52fc89245708f

(65)

on July 21, 2012
at 03:57 AM

I'm going to research this tonight. I never intended on LC or VLC but fruit usually hurts my stomach and there isn't a whole lot of other carbs I've found paleo-friendly. Do you have any suggestions? I appreciate it!

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on July 20, 2012
at 10:13 PM

not sure why you say she "should be losing weight right now" That's a lot of food/calories. I would gain weight.

1296732e87fbf070566afe641ca0c089

on July 21, 2012
at 01:30 PM

1500 calories for a 5' 7" person is not a lot of calories. If Sov is consuming under her BMR, she is probably messing up her metabolism and lepton as Bill pointed out. Follow the advice of cleaning out the sugar, lower the nuts and up the veg. Better protein sources might help but it is probably the sugar more than anything else.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on July 22, 2012
at 03:46 AM

I seriously doubt it Manymoons58. 1500 is not dangerously low at all. The point is that she should be losing at that level, and she is not. Leptin is in its very early stages of being understood.

1
C8f74d79f56eb5a52a05807bca92090f

on July 20, 2012
at 06:51 PM

My first thought was that you're not getting enough animal fat... but there are others here much more qualified to analyze your fat intake than I. Personally, I'd replace that turkey sausage with some uncured bacon or a pork chop/steak. Definitely need to throw out the agave -- it's more fructose than HFCS (see here: http://realfoodforager.com/why-i-never-use-agave/). If you have to have sweetener in your coffee (like I do), use something natural - raw honey, maple syrup, palm sugar or stevia extract (not the powder). I've heard mixed reviews on bananas... some claim they're not Paleo -- I'm allergic, so it's a non-issue for me, but perhaps add more veggies for lunch and kick the banana to the curb.

More than any of that though, step away from the scales and shift your focus from weight loss to over-all health. It's great to throw around the numbers, but that's really not the point at the end of the day... it's feeling well, feeling whole and happy. Shifting your relationship with food to one of love and not one of fear (okay, I know that sounds hokey - but it's TRUE) goes a very long way in allowing food to heal your body and moving past the place we can all sometimes go where we fear that every mouthful of food we eat is going to prevent us from losing weight. Eat with abandon. Savor every mouthful. Love the food you eat. Experiment with new foods and try new, exciting, flavorful recipes. There is SO much wonderful Paleo food out there to be had. That is what has saved my husband and I -- real foodies -- from falling off the wagon. (Stopping now, because this is turning into a novel.) Wishing you health and happiness on your Paleo journey!

C8f74d79f56eb5a52a05807bca92090f

(128)

on July 20, 2012
at 07:30 PM

One more thought... if you've eliminated iodized salt from your diet, you might consider adding kelp to your diet or another source of iodine to help keep your thyroid functioning properly!

C8f74d79f56eb5a52a05807bca92090f

(128)

on July 20, 2012
at 07:59 PM

In response to the "down-vote" my answer received, I've lost 32 pounds without counting a single calorie and by following these simple guidelines: http://paleodietlifestyle.com/paleo-101/ No complex formulas here... just eating clean.

D63a9a7789b948a1e88647f6c0e504ca

(1453)

on July 20, 2012
at 09:47 PM

Honey is also mostly fructose. If you want something gooey and sweet, consider Rice Syrup -- mostly glucose, recommended on the Perfect Health Diet version of paleo.

705b3b39d8f41d7921d52fc89245708f

(65)

on July 20, 2012
at 07:12 PM

The Agave thing was eye opening! Thanks. I'll pick up some raw honey instead!

1
B72e976b2df9e7f01315830062a5209c

(1365)

on July 20, 2012
at 06:18 PM

Stop worrying about "weight"... the number is meaningless. Just keep doing what you know is working. Thinking about a pre-baby number that doesn't have any real meaning to your overall health will just add stress, and stress makes fat loss more difficult.

705b3b39d8f41d7921d52fc89245708f

(65)

on July 20, 2012
at 06:25 PM

While I wholeheartedly agree that it's not the # that matters, it's basically impossible to ignore that I'm still grossly overweight and unhappy with how I both look and feel. But you are right, I need to stop focusing on the number. I actually put up the scale this last weekend because it was stressing me out, and I know it doesn't really matter. Not like I'm walking down the street with '208' on my forehead.

705b3b39d8f41d7921d52fc89245708f

(65)

on July 21, 2012
at 03:56 AM

Crowlover - I had my thyroid checked and it's fine, which is frustrating. And thanks for the info, of course it's fat I want to lose.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on July 22, 2012
at 03:04 AM

Sov - you may not have low thyroid, I do understand that BUT... if you have low thyroid symptoms besides low metabolism/inability to lose weight and your numbers a within the Reference Range but the lower end of the range - you may in fact have low thyroid. YOu may want to go this website and read about low thyroid symptoms. http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on July 20, 2012
at 10:20 PM

Sov what you say makes sense. Of course a 5'7" woman who weighs 208 has fat to lose. On this site, if you say "lose weight" then you will get called on it ;) Just say you want to lose fat cuz that is what you mean! Is your thyroid OK? Mine went whacky after my third kid and its been hell to stabilize. I am now finally losing pounds of fat by eating "clean" and also faily low call. If I eat more than 1400kcal a day I will not lose fat. Period. Many woman complain of this and they too often figure out they are hypothroid. Then again, your diet example seems pretty high-ish calorie to me

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4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

on July 22, 2012
at 03:09 AM

Sov, You may not have low thyroid, I do understand that BUT... if you have other low thyroid symptoms besides low metabolism/inability to lose weight and your numbers are within the Reference Range but at the lower end of the range - you may in fact have low thyroid.

There is a trend here, with me and other women on this site, who complain about not being able to lose weight on a clean diet of low-ish calories and often its is because they have low metabolism from hypo-thyroid. This has come up repeatedly.

Lots of people with say that 1500 is too low and you should eat more... uhmmm I suspect if you do you will gain more!

I highly recommend that you go to this website and read about low thyroid symptoms. You are unable to lose on 1500kcals a day and that is a big red flag to me. Makes sense to see if you have others.
stopthethyroidmadness.com

Good luck

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