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Will the world be paleo friendly in 30 years?

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Created May 18, 2013 at 1:31 AM

I'm making this community wiki to hopefully get more feedback.

We have a growing population on this planet. We have increasing energy demands and decreasing energy supplies. In almost every country on this planet we have a monetary system built on exponential growth (Keynesian economics), we have diminishing topsoil, increasing infertility rates, increasing CHD rates and diabetes rates. We have lifestyles that are increasingly sedentary, our brains are getting smaller and quality foods like meats are getting more expensive. If we didn't produce such huge amounts of grains then MANY people on this planet would starve to death very fast. I'm not going to bring up the subject of global warming but certainly pollution is an issue we need to address.

All in all we seem to be moving further and further away from paleo foods and paleo lifestyles as a world. Where do you predict this will lead us in 30 years and how do you think we can utilize peoples' passions for health to help promote a paleo agenda? How do you intend to secure healthy paleo lifestyles for yourself, your children and their children? What political actions can we take, what causes can we support what leaders are working to get this message across?

My definition of paleo is access whole healthy foods (especially non grain starches and animal products), ability to obtain enjoyable physical activity (and to not HAVE to work a sedentary job to afford paleo foods!) and a high degree of independence (which to me seems inherently paleo).

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on May 24, 2013
at 02:13 AM

Nice list !

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on May 24, 2013
at 02:13 AM

Sweet, thanks .

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on May 23, 2013
at 12:41 AM

Hmm, that's a positive prognosis of the future. Assuming *that* happens, you (or ALL of us paleo-folks) should align yourself more to these rural communities and businesses to have greater access to good food, as well as develop your own skills to maintain good health. Assuming my prediction happens, the same recommendation applies. Find a way to get organic food, develop your own skills, stay fit, and carry on.

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on May 22, 2013
at 08:38 PM

http://www.ted.com/talks/allan_savory_how_to_green_the_world_s_deserts_and_reverse_climate_change.html

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on May 22, 2013
at 06:27 PM

Do you have a link to his talk?

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on May 22, 2013
at 04:20 PM

So assuming all goes well I want to be big strong and healthy to enjoy and prosper in this life and assuming shit hits the fan I want to be big strong and healthy to enjoy and prosper in this life. So either way I do pretty much the same thing but yea, only the strong will have survived in the next 100-200 years for sure.

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on May 22, 2013
at 04:17 PM

Yea, our monetary policy worldwide is dependent on growth. So when we can't grow, that's very very bad. I figure that we'll have a tech boom though and eventually move into bigger more concentrated cities and over the next 50 years or so rural and suburban areas will become less popular as people want to save on gas and other expenses. However at the same time things like 3d printers might help people to become more independent and while the healthcare system is a mess the good news is that more people are taking preventative healthcare into their own hands by proper food choices and exercise.

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on May 22, 2013
at 02:14 AM

May we add encourage reproductive responsibility to this very thoughtful list? Our out of control population explosion makes feeding everyone well a near impossibility

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on May 20, 2013
at 02:33 AM

1. Physical activity is already encouraged. 2/ Where are you going to get these advances in 3d printing and internet when most people are producing food to feed the population and a lot of innovation will be stifled because there is no pay off (besides organic food that you can trade for. lol). 3. yeah buy a county if you want. Start a commune because Owen's New Lanark experiment turned out so well, right? 4. Our government by nature is too tyrranical and greedy to allow for private competing currencies. 5. people have different wants than you. 6. peaople have different wants than you.

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on May 20, 2013
at 02:24 AM

Ultimately, if it's just some commune type nation-states with in sections of America, you will just be free-riding off of the productive incentives that the capitalist system produces. Not everyone just wants good food. People have different wants than you. They will want to buy boats and planes and houses and clothes and new gadgets, and not necessarily organic vegetables and grass fed meats.

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on May 20, 2013
at 02:20 AM

we're going to have time to innovate and manufacture said "internet devices?" Where's the time when we are all ranchers and farmers?

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on May 20, 2013
at 02:19 AM

Are you suggesting everyone return to a barter economy, or just he people that farm? If it's just the people that farm, there are communes in America. Or, you could go to North Korea. If you are suggesting that everyone return to a barter system, history will repeat itself. There will be problems of divisibility and double coincidence of needs. We will evolve to coin and because of government devalutation another fiat system not unlike todays. Unless you wish to change human/government greed somehow? Now that everyone is on a barter system and producing their own food, how do you think...

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on May 18, 2013
at 03:27 AM

will the rolling stones still be touring .. :) .. lmao

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on May 18, 2013
at 02:58 AM

Lol ,

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on May 18, 2013
at 02:44 AM

will the world be here in 30 years.. is the better question..ehehhe lol jk :)

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8d386bf2c5ba20fcc1a2a0c805b217c9

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on May 22, 2013
at 03:36 PM

You bring up Keynesian economic policies.. In my opinion, the entire world is a bit at risk of an upcoming financial crash. I'm sure you have a decent understanding of history and economics to know that most of the world's economic boom-and-busts have been a result of this kind of policy. I mean, it' pretty much why Rome fell...

If the SHTF, governments will fall apart, chaos will ensue, society will be a bit disrupted, and those who have been either dependent on the system or lack any kind of self-sufficiency will probably end up dead. Those who are a bit more skilled or lucky will be able to make do with whatever's available to them and work along-side the communities they live in. At that point, things will be downsized and performed at a local level. Thus, the opportunity for chemical-free, non-GMO foods to grow will come about.

Obviously this is a worst-case scenario, but it is very likely given our current state of inflation. Man, I'm kind of jealous of farmers right now. Only the strong shall survive, hahaha.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on May 22, 2013
at 04:20 PM

So assuming all goes well I want to be big strong and healthy to enjoy and prosper in this life and assuming shit hits the fan I want to be big strong and healthy to enjoy and prosper in this life. So either way I do pretty much the same thing but yea, only the strong will have survived in the next 100-200 years for sure.

8d386bf2c5ba20fcc1a2a0c805b217c9

(743)

on May 23, 2013
at 12:41 AM

Hmm, that's a positive prognosis of the future. Assuming *that* happens, you (or ALL of us paleo-folks) should align yourself more to these rural communities and businesses to have greater access to good food, as well as develop your own skills to maintain good health. Assuming my prediction happens, the same recommendation applies. Find a way to get organic food, develop your own skills, stay fit, and carry on.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on May 22, 2013
at 04:17 PM

Yea, our monetary policy worldwide is dependent on growth. So when we can't grow, that's very very bad. I figure that we'll have a tech boom though and eventually move into bigger more concentrated cities and over the next 50 years or so rural and suburban areas will become less popular as people want to save on gas and other expenses. However at the same time things like 3d printers might help people to become more independent and while the healthcare system is a mess the good news is that more people are taking preventative healthcare into their own hands by proper food choices and exercise.

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Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on May 18, 2013
at 01:42 AM

Some possible solutions might be:

  • Increase people's desire to farm their own food (like gardening)
  • Increase people's desire to horticulture (specifically grass-fed)
  • Encourage Farmers to accept alternative currencies that aren't subject to inflation or based on exponential growth (bit-coins for example, but any makeshift currency could suffice)
  • Buy a county and never pay property tax (because you own the county), create a community that is independent, don't take loans out on your land, produce, live sustainability, produce some excess to trade for technological devices, like internet devices.
  • Use advances in 3d printing and internet to become increasingly independent while simultaneously becoming more interconnected
  • Encourage physical activity

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on May 20, 2013
at 02:33 AM

1. Physical activity is already encouraged. 2/ Where are you going to get these advances in 3d printing and internet when most people are producing food to feed the population and a lot of innovation will be stifled because there is no pay off (besides organic food that you can trade for. lol). 3. yeah buy a county if you want. Start a commune because Owen's New Lanark experiment turned out so well, right? 4. Our government by nature is too tyrranical and greedy to allow for private competing currencies. 5. people have different wants than you. 6. peaople have different wants than you.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on May 20, 2013
at 02:24 AM

Ultimately, if it's just some commune type nation-states with in sections of America, you will just be free-riding off of the productive incentives that the capitalist system produces. Not everyone just wants good food. People have different wants than you. They will want to buy boats and planes and houses and clothes and new gadgets, and not necessarily organic vegetables and grass fed meats.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on May 20, 2013
at 02:19 AM

Are you suggesting everyone return to a barter economy, or just he people that farm? If it's just the people that farm, there are communes in America. Or, you could go to North Korea. If you are suggesting that everyone return to a barter system, history will repeat itself. There will be problems of divisibility and double coincidence of needs. We will evolve to coin and because of government devalutation another fiat system not unlike todays. Unless you wish to change human/government greed somehow? Now that everyone is on a barter system and producing their own food, how do you think...

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on May 20, 2013
at 02:20 AM

we're going to have time to innovate and manufacture said "internet devices?" Where's the time when we are all ranchers and farmers?

618fc5298c4a96b817c4918c795a875f

(1217)

on May 22, 2013
at 02:14 AM

May we add encourage reproductive responsibility to this very thoughtful list? Our out of control population explosion makes feeding everyone well a near impossibility

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on May 24, 2013
at 04:48 PM

I grew up on a working ranch, which was 'paleo.' Our cattle, mules, goats, horses, hogs, chicken, geese, sheep...can you see where I'm going? Were free range. I know that's a debatable term in paleo world but it meant:

they foraged for food throughout three valleys in the Ozark Mtns. The water they drank came from our ponds. In the early days, our chickens didn't even have houses, they roosted in the lower branches of cedar trees. We raised our food in a 3 acre veg patch, our water came from a mineral spring.

Blahblahblah

We were paleo's dream come true. It's a hell of a lot of work (about 4 hours a day and we were a small outfit). We used mules to pull farm implements (didn't have a tractor, we still did things the way my grandparents did when they came to the US in the 1880s).

Are people going to return to that? Only if they're financially independent.

Let me back that up a tic, I suppose in larger populations, there are enough people who'd support family farms like ours were or chefs who'd kill to have our produce and meat. They were not around here. I imagine it's like that for most family farms. People running family farms aren't fat cats. Most of us work like dogs and see very little return - it's about KEEPING the family farm, not expanding.

It's not about convincing family farms to do X.

To make the kind of changes you're wanting, government needs to change their subsidies, change their incentives. My grandfather used to get a check from the gov to rotate crops. Guess what? He'd have done it anyway because we know how things grow. You don't exhaust the land! Not to mention it cuts down on pestilence/disease.

You want to start giving me money to do what's best for my family's land instead of making it unhealthy and freak foods coming from it? Sounds like a plan!

That's one way to get things moving and it needs to be a national push.

I don't even know where to start about changing the nutritional recommendations I followed for almost 20 years which made my health worse instead of better. They're still pushing low fat/whole grain/vegetarianism everywhere for heart health. Didn't do me a bit of good. Going back to how I was raised eating (sadly, since we're retired, it's no more free range/grassfed for me) literally fixed my problem. Go figure.

I also think the more celebrities come out in favor will help turn heads. I hate that the US is all about copycatting celebrities but hey, if it works, don't fix it. Jump on that train, turn it to our advantage.

It's about changing opinion. Sure, knowledge is power but people don't want to learn. Money and fame surely turns peoples' heads, though, doesn't it? I say roll with that.

And I'd love to quit my day job and fix up the ranch. We've got thousands of dollars of fences that need repairing -- completely. I can break the wire with my wee girlie fingers. Fund that! Then, I can maybe take a risk on some hooves.

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on May 23, 2013
at 01:39 AM

You bring up some good points concerning following a whole foods lifestyle and becoming self sufficient... on the other hand I have to disagree that our brains are getting smaller and that having a sedentary job to pay for your finances is a terrible way to live, especially nowadays where many people are working in the tech industry. Let me elaborate...

Technology has taken huge leaps in the past 100 years, so saying that our brains are getting smaller is quite the contrary, I believe there is a significant amount of information out there nowadays that it is really easy to get your hands on virtually anything of substance in order to increase your knowledge in a particular realm. Unfortunately a lot of young kids don't take advantage of technology to learn and grow, but rather enjoy playing games that have no educational value and munch on highly processed foods that give them health problems throughout their future. In the end, it is really up to the individual to take action in order to learn about the world and better their overall eating habits.

I personally have been reading a lot about having a sedentary job because I am a web designer myself and the work I do requires long hours over the computer. I believe most jobs nowadays require a few hours of screen time a day. I understand this can be detrimental to ones health, but at the same time if you really have a passion for something you can work around it so that you can enjoy being out in nature, exercising and eating whole foods. Whether we like it or not, technology is only moving forward and in the end it's inevitable for us NOT to embrace it and take full advantage of it when we can, after all isn't our focus and goal in life to become the best version of our selves?

Some ways for people to acquire a healthier/paleo lifestyle (What's worked for me at least)...

  • Empty your house of any wheat, grains, dairy, legumes, sugary sweets, highly processed and refined foods... obviously.
  • If you don't want to be super strict paleo, indulge in these foods on occasion when you are out and having a good time with friends (unless you have serious health issues that require strict eating), it's just a lot funner and more rewarding this way.
  • LEARN HOW TO COOK! I can't stress that enough, once you understand how to prepare healthy meals you'll spend less on eating out and buying junk. Honestly it is not hard to become a master chef, investing in a stainless steel skillet is probably one of the best cooking tools I have bought, I use mine everyday!
  • Start an active lifestyle program, whether its running, weightlifting, sports, dancing or whatever, try doing it a few times a week and you will feel a huge boost in energy and strength. Rockclimbing and boudlering is probably the closets primal activity I have ever done, try it out!
  • READ A LOT, I recommend reading a paleo book if you haven't already just to re-enforce why you are doing this in the first place. I am sure most people out there have come across many anti-paleo people, it takes work, but you need the knowledge to talk some sense into these people... unfortunately they just have no idea, so why not give them something to think about.
  • Try to buy local as much as possible, I use to shop at Costco for meat, but ohh man its is the most disgusting thing ever, you are better off going to a local butcher shop to get meat or find a reliable farmer and buy in bulk. Stay away from big box stores for your groceries, it is just not worth it.

This is all I can think of for now, thank you for reading and I hope the information helps. Good luck on your journey everyone!

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on May 24, 2013
at 02:13 AM

Nice list !

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on May 22, 2013
at 04:47 PM

A fascinating aspect of all this comes via sustainability and land regrowth. Allan Savory and his organization are attempting to restore the planets grasslands via large herds of herbivores (cows). If this truly works and can gain some mainstream scientific support, this could be a major bonus for the world's eating prospects. This strategy could make grass fed meat affordable on a larger scale. I suggest everyone watch his TED talk, it is brilliant.

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on May 24, 2013
at 02:13 AM

Sweet, thanks .

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on May 22, 2013
at 06:27 PM

Do you have a link to his talk?

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on May 22, 2013
at 08:38 PM

http://www.ted.com/talks/allan_savory_how_to_green_the_world_s_deserts_and_reverse_climate_change.html

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on May 21, 2013
at 05:22 PM

You bring up some good points that worried me as soon as I took interest in Paleo.

I'm not sure the earth could support its human population on a Paleo diet even today, let alone in 30 years.

We'd could implement STRICT land-usage policies such as requiring all residential properties to be 80-90% green (meaning our driveways, rooftops, etc... are used for gardening and herding). I think this will be a requirement moving forward, Paleo or not. People need to use their own land for more than a residence and playspace.

People could get much of their physical activity after their 9-5, working their own land and tending to their livestock. Would they though? Personally, I don't feel like it after work. My desk makes me groggy and it's hard to make the right choices at the end of the day.

Factory farming of animals and fish is a very real alternative - one of the only ways to viably produce enough meat for a large population. This has numerous obvious drawbacks I won't get into, but ask yourself: how much land does it take to raise enough healthy meat for a small family (the research is probably done, just look for it)? Is factory-style meat an acceptable alternative?

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on May 24, 2013
at 05:24 PM

All government subsidies need to be ended, which includes oil, wheat, corn, and soy. As long as they're in effect, there will never be significant progress towards widely available and affordable paleo food.

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on May 24, 2013
at 04:52 PM

No .

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on May 22, 2013
at 01:18 AM

My definition of paleo is access whole healthy foods (especially non grain starches and animal products), ability to obtain enjoyable physical activity (and to not HAVE to work a sedentary job to afford paleo foods!) and a high degree of independence (which to me seems inherently paleo).

Wish to reiterate that Paleo (in pure form) is an upper middle class diet. One has to afford it. Also need the brains & conscientiousness to want it, to adhere to it.

It's not a birthright any more than one would receive a freebie luxury car or mcmansion.

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