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Why is the paleo diet not enough?

Commented on February 10, 2014
Created January 20, 2014 at 10:22 PM

I thought that you all might find the following info helpful/interesting. I spent about an hour putting it all together. Below are all the things I've tried in the last 3 years in my attempt to fix my stomach issues (bloating, gas, irregular bm) and other issues stemming from my poor digestion, (mood, energy, immune system, acne, inflammation--) etc.

Things I???ve Tried

  • Lactoferrin
  • Prescript assist
  • Digestive enzymes
  • HCL
  • Picamilon
  • Cod liver oil
  • Vitamin D
  • Grass fed butter
  • Homemade yogurt
  • Turmeric
  • Theanine
  • Charcoal
  • Magnesium
  • Xylitol
  • Nag
  • Nac
  • MMS
  • Glutamine
  • Potato Starch
  • Vitamin C
  • Monolaurin
  • Probiotics
  • Sac. Boulardi
  • HLC Endure Probiotics
  • Homemade sauerkraut
  • Coconut oil
  • DGL
  • Lemon Juice
  • Pectin
  • Apple Cider Vinegar
  • Go-Lytely
  • Copper
  • Zinc
  • Fish Oil
  • Water Kefir
  • Fifteen Hour Fasting
  • Taurine
  • Cayenne Pepper
  • Iodine
  • Garlic
  • Salt Water Cleanses
  • Psyllium Husk Fiber
  • Interfase Plus
  • Acupuncture
  • Medical Marijuana
  • Oregano Oil
  • Kefir

Things That Have Worked

  • DGL
  • HLC Endure Probiotics
  • Picamilon (Gaba)
  • Inositol
  • HCL
  • Vitamin C
  • Cayenne Pepper
  • Sac. Boulardi
  • Pectin
  • Turmeric

Books I???ve bought in the Last Year:

  • Perfect Health Diet
  • Prescription for Nutritional Healing
  • Fast Tract Digestion
  • A New IBS Solution
  • Health Digestion the Natural Way
  • IBS: An Essential Guide for the Newly Diagnosed
  • Digestive Wellness
  • Why Stomach Acid is Good for You

Diets I???ve tried:

  • Paleo Diet
  • Slow-Carb Diet
  • SCD Diet
  • Perfect Health Diet
  • Low fermentation diet
  • Edge Effect Diet
  • Candida Cleanse Diet

Informational sources that have Helped Me:

  • Chriskresser
  • Robb Wolf & The Paleo Solution Podcast
  • PaleoHacks
  • Dr. Art Ayers
  • Melissa McEwen
  • Sam Snyder
  • Paul Fratkin

Help from General practitioners and Gastroenterologists

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20ac82f380131cafc52db2cb2fbb144a

on February 10, 2014
at 10:27 PM

Carbs are what used to cause the bloating and gas for myself when i quit consuming them it went away. No more grains this includes wheat, Oats, Barley, Corn, quinoa etc. Gas stopped bloating doesnt happen any longer, also sugar causes the gas as well but grains were far worse.,

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on January 30, 2014
at 07:59 AM

Totally agree.

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on January 21, 2014
at 01:28 PM

Haha, that happens all too often. There's upwards of 50 things he's tried on that list, and in 3 years trying one thing at a time, that's a mere 3 weeks of experimentation before moving on. I did a supplemental liver experiment last spring and gave myself 12 weeks to observe everything. I did start noticing effects at about the 4-6 week mark though, it takes that long to really know if the effects are real.

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on January 21, 2014
at 06:32 AM

if the user is able to do strict AIP whole30 for 6 months, then at the very least, they will have improved the quality of life in more than one way or another. And, to top if off, they will have removed many other possible variables for why they may be sick. If they are able to do AIP Whole30 legit for 6 months, I applaud them, and hopefully they keep a diary of what triggers they encounter to review with medical personnel. That's a helluva lot better than not trying it at all.

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on January 21, 2014
at 06:24 AM

Do you promise that if they're still sick after 6 months, you won't just say "stick with paleo for a year"?

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on January 21, 2014
at 04:58 AM

Exactly what I was about to post. Stick with Paleo for 6 months.

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on January 21, 2014
at 03:17 AM

i have not fully read your answer (just a quick skim). but you get my upvote for obviously spending some time putting this response together. good on yer

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on February 10, 2014
at 10:24 PM

I tried Paleo for a few months I didnt do to well with what I was told I should be eating, SO i switched off to atkins way for 6 months and that was induction. Energy all the time totally quit eating all grains allergy reactions stopped lost the adiction to sugar and kept on with a solid exercise routine. Dropped 65 pounds and have never felt better. Meats and Vegetables that is all i consume. My cholesterol normalized everything has come down and went back to being normal. I do eat milk products still and some fruits but not high sugar items. To be honest there is no special secret to dieting but all I can say is that what I did worked for me. And will say the FDA has been lying to us all about fats and low fat bs diet. Also grains are a major cause of alot of the problems we have today and also you need to exercise it helps

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on February 10, 2014
at 10:08 PM

This is not a medical suggestion, I'm not a doctor.

I've dealt with two such cases in the past (friends of mine). Paleo would do things "better", but not better enough. The problems went away, in both cases, when the person tried BOTH AutoImmune Paleo and FODMAPs (google it). That's an extremely restrictive diet, so it's not recommended for more than 1-3 months. With enough bone broths and this combined diet, your gut heals, and then you can slowly add back more Paleo foods that FODMAPs removes (adding one new food per week after the initial healing).

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on February 10, 2014
at 08:02 PM

Try an Allopathic doctor. They listen to "YOU" and not just to I feel bad and this is where it hurts. They listen to "Each" symptom and get blood work on that specific symptom to bring them to a conclusion on an organs problem, etc. Of course that is just an example, not all they do. I searched and begged and tried different things and diets for 19 years.

This past August I began going to an Allopathic Clinic, they listened, explained what tests they believed were best and why. When I agreed, they started the process, and with each result the doc would explain the outcome, how it had been affecting me and the treatment. They also had explained to me that because it took so long to get to this point, it could take a while with all of the tests to find everything.

At this point I really didn't care, I had been searching for long enuf that if results were finally coming then YAY. So my last results came in this past week and I had my daughter go with me because she is in the health field, but natural health.

When the doc said Hashimoto's thyroid, my daughter said...wait, what makes you decide it is Hashimoto's? (and for some reason she was kind of accusing; I didn't know what it was). The doc explained it to be autoimmune, antibodies in my body attacking my thyroid, etc. Medication with titration up and pretty strict to get it under control.

I must say, my daughter and I both were really happy for a couple of reasons. First we had been looking for so long to find out what was wrong with me and finally identified the problem! Second, a few years ago my daughter had been diagnosed with a thyroid problem and we couldn't figure out where it came from (usually hereditary). Plus even on medication she had trouble losing the weight she had gained and kept gaining. We now had answers for both of us. So she is going in to be more extensively tested for Hashimoto's to see if that is the culprit so she can focus on her treatment too.

My point in all of this is for you Not to give up. Doctors are just practicing. We have to look under ever rock ourselves to find our answers. Yours are out there and some aspect of Paleo is probably Just right for you. Once you find out whatever your "Real" problem is.

Hope this helps you or anyone else. Have a great day all! :D

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on January 29, 2014
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on January 21, 2014
at 04:41 PM

I fear the only thing for you to do may be strict GAPS + VSL#3 or VS#3-DS (the most potent probiotic on the market as of 2014)

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on January 21, 2014
at 02:37 AM

Here's the problem: you probably haven't stuck with any one thing long enough to actually get results.

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on January 21, 2014
at 04:58 AM

Exactly what I was about to post. Stick with Paleo for 6 months.

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on January 30, 2014
at 07:59 AM

Totally agree.

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on January 21, 2014
at 02:28 AM

Have you done the autoimmune protocol?

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on January 21, 2014
at 12:05 AM

Unfortunately what I get from your list whether it be accurate or not is "I keep trying stuff and I'm still sick."

I've been there, really I have. I must have spent several thousand dollars on various things that just might work. It's a part of the process. I'm still there in a sense. However, what needs to happen if it hasn't already is a whole-life approach to healing. By constantly trying all kinds of novel remedies you could make things worse, but I wouldn't want to discourage you from experimentation as that's key to learning how your own body works We're all different, which is why the medical authorities, doctors, and gastros aren't much help when it comes to your personal chronic problems.

Over the course of about tow years really obsessing about changing every facet of my life, from the things I eat to the people I surround myself with, how I think about my work, my exercise routine, etc... I've nearly solved my life-long affliction with digestive malaise. The Paleo diet only came into my life for the past year or so and with that I've even gotten off the ADHD meds I've been taking since I was a little boy. Who'd have thought that changing my diet and lifestyle could fix THAT problem?

I find that routine is one of the most important things for digestion. Each morning I wake up, stretch, rub my tummy, do some yoga-type exercising of my own invention, have a cup of tea, and maybe if I'm up to it get my heart rate up. I work at a desk and I've been forcing myself to stand up every 20-30 minutes to stretch, move around, etc... Mon. Wed. and Fri. I almost always do a walk/run of about 1.5-2 miles varying in intensity based on how I'm feeling. I try to keep active during the weekend too and resist the urge to lounge all day. Every day when I get home, I lay flat on the floor, rub my tummy a little, stretch and roll around, relax, and I can actually feel my digestive system kicking into action as it's "okay" now, no stress, etc... Every night before I lay down for bed I try to once again stretch, especially my mid section but whatever needs it at the moment, then lay down and feel around my stomach, make sure everything is comfortable or I might stretch and roll around some more. Silly? Fine...

All this may sound obsessive and high-maintenance just to keep my digestive system in order but I think it's well worth it. I just wasn't born with the constitution of some people and I have to keep my body in order. I also don't think of it as just my digestion, though that's usually the part of my body that gives me the strongest signals when things are off; it's my whole life I'm treating. Digestive issues are merely a symptom, but every so often they become a cause.

Food is where the routine breaks, oddly enough. I do keep some routine to it but I've learned to listen to my body and give it what it needs. Sometimes I go a week eating a big salad every day, sometimes I go a week without greens. I try to get some good, thick, gelatinous soup/broth in me as often as possible, usually as part of a soup. Have you tried drinking some wholesome, fatty, gelatinous beef/chicken stock straight? That can be good too. It can also be used as a topping or gravy. I try to maintain the right amount of starch in my diet, though that too varies. I love sweet potatoes and white potatoes alike, but that's just me. White potatoes bother some people.

This must be my longest post and since it's all just anecdotal and I'm running out of time, I'll leave you with that. I hope it's helpful even though I've made a point to avoid any specific recommendations since you can obviously find your own. The only real "recommendations" I can make are 1) listen to your body and 2) do take the time each day to lay down and focus on your digestive system. Give it some attention. Stretch, roll around, rub your tummy etc... even when you feel okay but especially when you don't. Your significant other may think you silly for it but hell, what's worse? This is the one thing nobody has ever suggested, but seems to make the biggest difference to me. Just do it. Call it "doing the squirm" if you like, I don't care. Do it.

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on January 21, 2014
at 03:17 AM

i have not fully read your answer (just a quick skim). but you get my upvote for obviously spending some time putting this response together. good on yer

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on January 20, 2014
at 11:13 PM

i think we've just about tried the same number of things for our guts!! i still rely on steroids, immunosuppressants, and biologics to function since diet/supplements aren't enough for me. my favorite so far has been resistant starches and PHD.

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on January 20, 2014
at 11:08 PM

What about an excercise regiment? Also, when you say you tried paleo - which type did you try? Have you given the auto immune strict 30 / AIP whole 30 a shot? With Paleo, you cannot just try it out - you can go strict for short term, but its really more of a life style change. What do you do for excercise? For me, it took about 3.5 weeks on AIP whole30 before I noticed a change. If you answer the above questions, I can share with you some of my lessons learned and experience.

Good Luck!

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