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Why is dark chocolate and pastured butter recommended?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created October 24, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Yet low fat starch based diet is often discouraged? The latter is much more paleo.

I'm concerned that there are a lot of people adopting the paleo eating as an excuse to eat unlimited fat while still being on a "diet" (avoidance of a foodgroup ie:grains)

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on October 25, 2012
at 09:50 AM

Greensun, the effect you felt from the chocolate is most likely from the stimulants in cacao, such as theobromine and PEA, which in their purest forms are much stronger than caffiene. I have not heard anything about mixing sugar and fat being bad for your insulin, in fact the opposite (that fat lowers the gi of carbs).

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on October 25, 2012
at 12:19 AM

Sorry KA24...I meant that for Greensun....my bad not using names.

68294383ced9a0eafc16133aa80d1905

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on October 25, 2012
at 12:07 AM

My post is both serious and facetious. The initial question sounded like it was asking for science. There is plenty of science. You can find studies on every topic on this website. That's not the issue. Many subjects have differing opinions and conclusions, and when you aren't sure about the science, resort to what matters MOST. Yourself. Your own experiences. Your own results.

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on October 24, 2012
at 11:55 PM

^I can't tell if your being sarcastic, faking sarcasm, or completely serious.....all three are viable since I know nothing about what you have or have not actually read.

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on October 24, 2012
at 11:32 PM

I don't think becoming fat should always be the outcome measurement. I tried a 2 small cubes of 88% dark chocolate and it ruined me for a day. the anxiety feeling of blood sugar crash, I don't get this when consuming orange juice or any other sweet fruit. Oh yeah thats right, modern research has told us mixing sugar and fat is terrible for your insulin, the same modern science that is trying to "fool" us into thinking saturated fat is bad for out vessels.

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on October 24, 2012
at 11:32 PM

Life is too short and too difficult for everyone to be an n=1 experiment in all respects. Of course we have to experiment in some things, but our success also rests in learning from those who've gone before and the guidelines they've established for success.

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on October 24, 2012
at 11:30 PM

Great answer +1. I would like to add though, don't let it define your life and be flexible.

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68294383ced9a0eafc16133aa80d1905

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on October 24, 2012
at 11:27 PM

At one point, I was all-in on defining "Paleo" in the purest form. However, this stuff changes the more you get into it.

  1. What is Paleo? If the definition is simply that it was available during Paleolithic times as we are consuming/using it NOW, almost nothing would fit true "Paleo." This is true about food, sleep, stress, environment, physical activity and many other things.

  2. How does something affect YOU? If you eat dark chocolate ad lib and you're getting fat, STOP. If you eat potatoes and you can't digest them, STOP. If you do a certain exercise and it kills your adrenals, STOP. Just because there was a "STOP" in your life doesn't mean everyone has to adhere to it. On the contrary, if you thrive on something it doesn't mean everyone can thrive on it.

The best "Paleo" advice I can give someone is to do personal experiments. Bio-hack yourself. Keep records, measure certain health markers, control for as many things as you can and be open to change.

98266ae0c87836d4bb714b6d31cacbf9

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on October 24, 2012
at 11:30 PM

Great answer +1. I would like to add though, don't let it define your life and be flexible.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on October 25, 2012
at 09:50 AM

Greensun, the effect you felt from the chocolate is most likely from the stimulants in cacao, such as theobromine and PEA, which in their purest forms are much stronger than caffiene. I have not heard anything about mixing sugar and fat being bad for your insulin, in fact the opposite (that fat lowers the gi of carbs).

68294383ced9a0eafc16133aa80d1905

(5795)

on October 25, 2012
at 12:07 AM

My post is both serious and facetious. The initial question sounded like it was asking for science. There is plenty of science. You can find studies on every topic on this website. That's not the issue. Many subjects have differing opinions and conclusions, and when you aren't sure about the science, resort to what matters MOST. Yourself. Your own experiences. Your own results.

00cd3b6f51530a6832fcda1712edbec3

(2411)

on October 24, 2012
at 11:32 PM

Life is too short and too difficult for everyone to be an n=1 experiment in all respects. Of course we have to experiment in some things, but our success also rests in learning from those who've gone before and the guidelines they've established for success.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 25, 2012
at 12:19 AM

Sorry KA24...I meant that for Greensun....my bad not using names.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 24, 2012
at 11:55 PM

^I can't tell if your being sarcastic, faking sarcasm, or completely serious.....all three are viable since I know nothing about what you have or have not actually read.

E8c2167284f0cdd16a12bea2741975b4

(476)

on October 24, 2012
at 11:32 PM

I don't think becoming fat should always be the outcome measurement. I tried a 2 small cubes of 88% dark chocolate and it ruined me for a day. the anxiety feeling of blood sugar crash, I don't get this when consuming orange juice or any other sweet fruit. Oh yeah thats right, modern research has told us mixing sugar and fat is terrible for your insulin, the same modern science that is trying to "fool" us into thinking saturated fat is bad for out vessels.

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00cd3b6f51530a6832fcda1712edbec3

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on October 24, 2012
at 11:50 PM

The reason dark chocolate is recommended is because it's delicious and isn't too damaging to most people when eaten occasionally. The reason pastured butter is recommended is because mammals store toxins in their fat, which protects the rest of their body. Since butter is primarily fat, it makes sense to stay away from sources that are likely to contain toxins, e.g., antibiotic, pesticide, and hormone residues and metabolites.

To call a low-fat, starch-based diet more paleo than a high-fat, low-carb diet ignores a large body of anthropologic and archaelogic evidence that shows a wide variety of health-promoting diets eaten by our ancestors. You can read about some of the archaleogical evidence on this page and on this page.

I don't have the patience to list all the examples out there, but here are some (all assume a pre-industrial situation):

  • Native Americans
  • Inuit,
  • Gaelics of the Outer Hebrides
  • Masai
  • Swiss of the Loetschental Valley

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Dc6407193ba441d1438f6f0c06af872b

on October 25, 2012
at 05:09 AM

We avoid the grains foodgroup because they are bad for you. It's the same reason we avoid the sugar foodgroup or the transfat foodgroup. These all have been part of our food supply for various amounts of time, but that doesn't make them okay. Different grains cause different degrees of harm, and no doubt some people will have no problem with them at all, but paleos find both the science and the n=1 personal experience to demonstrate that grains should be avoided.

Paleos don't eat unlimited fat. They avoid transfats, omega-6s, etc. Some eat butter, most eat coconut, and many eat high fat. But if you want to eat 90% sweet potato, squash, and other non-grain carbs, you should do your n=1 experiment and feel like you have a decent chance that things will work well for you. Paleo isn't about high fat, high protein or high carb. It's about eating healthful foods and avoiding unhealthful foods. Avoid the bad carbs: grains and sugar. Avoid the bad protein: gluten. Avoid the bad fats: transfats and omega-6s. Otherwise, eat whatever else you want in whatever proportions you want, more or less; if you avoid the poisons, that's a very good start. Diabetics might go low carb. People with kidney disease might go low protein. People without a gall bladder might go low fat. Healthy people can be more flexible, and might even eat a lot of butter and (very) dark chocolate. Why not? There are a lot of delicious choices that don't have grains, sugar and omega-6s.

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3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on October 25, 2012
at 12:01 AM

Butter is used to replace less stable and refined oils...and dark chocolate is a sensible indulgence. With me so far? The starch bit is argumentative. Plenty of evidence pointing to healthy humans across the spectrum. I lean toward low carb (less than 100g, but it varies so sometimes more) a day, but as many before me have pointed out its a personal preference based on my own reading and experimentation.

As to your "concern"....no worries. Long as their ditching grains fat is just fine to fill that gap.

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on October 24, 2012
at 11:13 PM

Who's recommending dark chocolate? That's widely regarded as an occasional indulgence, and does not form the basis of a diet the way starchy tubers often do. More and more people are coming to accept starch as being perfectly Paleo. How much, though, is up to each individual and what their goals are.

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on October 25, 2012
at 08:16 AM

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on October 25, 2012
at 01:39 AM

I wouldn't say that they're recommended, but allowable dairy being the better option for most. Why they're allowed I'd say because the paleo diet isn't written in stone(yet) and I find if I restrict too many things the diet starts to dictate my life which defeats the purpose. High carb and lean protein is great if that's what makes you feel like your at your best. I know it gets trashed a little bit but there's a lot of people who thrive on that diet.

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on October 24, 2012
at 11:52 PM

starchy tubers are ok for people who do well on carbs. Low fat is not bad as long as you are eating plenty of good carbs.

Personally I like the opportunity to have metabolic flexibility. I know if I go low carb my body is capable of burning fat effectively, when I eat carbs, it can burn them too.

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