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Why do we not have a meta analysis done for the paleolithic diet since one exists for the Mediterrean diet?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created April 20, 2011 at 9:31 PM

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21392646

I think this is precisely how the paleo sphere needs this type of study done. The paleo lifestyle can only be used to generation of hypothesis but it cant be used to make statements of cause and effect because the paleo diet great effects are all based upon observational data culled from anthropologic data and epidemiologic data. I think Robb's podcast number 68 should be required listening for anyone who is really paleo in their thinking and habits. They need to understand the limits of what our current literature supports. The quality of paleo literature is quite poor. It needs to be culled into responsible science. This is why most writings on the paleo diet really are logical fallacies while N-1 studies are not. Many people on here down n-1 data but they readily believe and advocate complete observational data that cant be generalized either because of how poorly they were done scientifically. They are case studies that cant be generalized but if you have enough n-1 studies done and can collect them then you suddenly have power to make bigger statements than what was made in this recent article on the Mediterrean diet. What say you hackers?

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on April 20, 2011
at 10:31 PM

That's a big question. I am rather partial to being part of the lunatic fringe :D. Maybe just get rid of the seed oils, screwy wheat and sugar and your average person will be good enough.

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on April 20, 2011
at 10:25 PM

lol, Dr. K do you have any experience in academia? You could get it published in Medical Hypotheses, but no reputable journal would take it. The study design is flawed from the outset.

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on April 20, 2011
at 10:24 PM

the reverse of this is do we really want the world all eating paleo....because it likely is not sustainable given resources? I personally believe that those who invest the time in their health and think and read will be the only ones who eat this way. Its too easy in Western civiliztion to eat a SAD and love the culture we created......regardless if it kills you.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on April 20, 2011
at 10:22 PM

and that is the point.......Stabby for paleo to grow it has to be be done correctly or stand the test of time. And for those who want to point to cordains studies on 1 million yrs of human evolution......they are all observational studies and anthropologic studies that allow for tremendous studies biases. And I find it most interesting that many in the paleo sphere want to accept what they believe about this diet than critically think about the logical fallacies many espouse daily about the paleo diet. It must be tested.

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on April 20, 2011
at 10:17 PM

melissa if i had 50K n-1 i could get it published tonight with one phone call. Your beliefs are totally false in my view

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on April 20, 2011
at 10:06 PM

enough pooled might make mass-media, and from there push on someone wanting to monetize, who then might fund a study...

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on April 20, 2011
at 09:46 PM

you can't pool n=1 studies and get it published in anything reputable o_0

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Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on April 20, 2011
at 09:59 PM

If we did something like that with self-purported "paleo/primal" dieters that would certainly give the mainstream something to think long and hard about, although it does have its limitations.

When you take a population of people eating a particular type of diet and look at health outcomes you can never really say anything definitive about the impact of that lifestyle on health in all cases because it always seems to equivocate between many different interpretations of that type of diet and includes other factors. Melissa over there says that she doesn't really eat a lot of muscle meat whereas some people live off of the stuff. Some eat brains and liver and some eat canned tuna, etc. It is quite possible to run into a few nutrient-deficiencies on a paleo diet if one isn't paying attention and on the other hand some people do things that impact their health completely unrelated to the diet itself - the so-called "health-consciousness factor". Take a low fat study, a Mediterranean diet study and a Paleo study and compare them, and instantly you will get advocate of all 3 complaining that the average study participant did those diets wrong. What a headache.

But would I be down for that? Absolutely. If we can show that paleos tend to be head and shoulders over the average person then more people will enter the community and hopefully add to it and benefit from it. What we could say is that for a great many people paleo is positive.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on April 20, 2011
at 10:22 PM

and that is the point.......Stabby for paleo to grow it has to be be done correctly or stand the test of time. And for those who want to point to cordains studies on 1 million yrs of human evolution......they are all observational studies and anthropologic studies that allow for tremendous studies biases. And I find it most interesting that many in the paleo sphere want to accept what they believe about this diet than critically think about the logical fallacies many espouse daily about the paleo diet. It must be tested.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on April 20, 2011
at 10:31 PM

That's a big question. I am rather partial to being part of the lunatic fringe :D. Maybe just get rid of the seed oils, screwy wheat and sugar and your average person will be good enough.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on April 20, 2011
at 10:24 PM

the reverse of this is do we really want the world all eating paleo....because it likely is not sustainable given resources? I personally believe that those who invest the time in their health and think and read will be the only ones who eat this way. Its too easy in Western civiliztion to eat a SAD and love the culture we created......regardless if it kills you.

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