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Why do I never see low-fat/low-animal consumption diets on paleo forums?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created July 17, 2012 at 7:06 PM

It is a perfectly paleo approach to have very low consumption of both fat and animal products. Infact i'd argue that most of the studied paleo populations follow such a diet.

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on July 21, 2012
at 12:05 PM

I am male. It does get boring. I was doing the Shangri-la diet thing + low carb + paleo + calorie restriction. They all helped, so I don't think it is just one thing. Once I lost weight, I found I could maintain my weight loss largely by just following paleo guidelines, but now I am supposedly insulin resistant, so I bought a glucometer and expect to be more low carb again.

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on July 21, 2012
at 01:22 AM

My conclusion have come from a combination of my own experiences trying varying levels of carbs (I'm female without metabolic issues), my best friend's experiences (also no metabolic problems), and various research which has either impressed me, or unimpressed me.

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on July 21, 2012
at 01:18 AM

Well, first thing--it's clear that nobody has the "correct" answer yet to the question of what percentage of your diet should come from carbs. My own opinion of this (note that above I said "I believe") is on the high side of what most Paleo folks think.

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on July 20, 2012
at 09:30 PM

August, are you male? My experience with high fat was NOT that I lost weight. I kind of gave up the VLC/high fat thing just a week or so ago, because its too boring for me/I definitely didn't lose weight. I've since been eating more vegetables and some sucrose, and lost a few pounds.

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on July 20, 2012
at 09:32 AM

@NB&S - the myths have been created by you! Read more carefully, and you will see that, apart from the Inuit statement, you have added some additional "interpretation". Coming back to the Inuit - the traditional diet indeed had virtually no food of plant origin - the contents of elk's stomachs, some berries in the Summer, but negligible in comparison to many other cultures...

D07a525f9021f8d72bf6aaa52893c795

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on July 20, 2012
at 09:30 AM

@NB&S - the myths have been created by you! Read more carefully, and you will see that, apart from the Inuit statement, you have added some additional "interpretation". Coming back yo the Inuit - the traditional diet indeed had virtually no food of plant origin - the contents of elk's stomachs, some berries in the Summer, but negligible in comparison to many other cultures.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on July 19, 2012
at 06:56 PM

Why 35%, or a third of one's calories? Why stop there? Why would 50% or more be bad?

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on July 19, 2012
at 05:49 PM

Yeah, I can see the inner dialogue "should I kill an animal that will provide strenght and vitality to my family/clan for a few days? Na, I'll just eat this (extremely unpalatable) apple and I'm good."

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on July 19, 2012
at 04:16 PM

+1 for the oxtail comment. Society can kiss my lean, muscled ass if it doesn't approve of how I eat. Incidentally, I use a salad fork to pry the meat off oxtail, and a grapefruit spoon to scrape out avocados and bone marrow. Raar.

0382fa263de4c83328dc34a56e25437f

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on July 19, 2012
at 04:16 PM

+1 for the oxtail comment. Society can kiss my lean, muscled ass if it doesn't approve of how I eat. Incidentally, I use a salad to pry the meat off oxtail, and a grapefruit spoon to scrape out avocados and bone marrow.

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on July 18, 2012
at 04:22 PM

This post so full of "paleo" myths I don't even know where to start. No starchy tubers? Wild fruit isn't sweet? The Inuit ate virtually no plants? The Okinawans don't eat rice or sweet potatoes?

54f75fb54778cfa947990bec1175307a

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on July 18, 2012
at 06:28 AM

Hehe, I eat ox tail with my hands (it is hard to eat it with knife and forks) at common kitchen at work and don't make secret out of it :)

D07a525f9021f8d72bf6aaa52893c795

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on July 18, 2012
at 04:56 AM

The high carb cultures you mention are modern. The Kalahari bushmen and Inuit are maybe the best modern insights we have of the ancient ways. The Inuit have adapted to their environment, and we are so successful as a species partly because of that adaptability. For me, what is most interesting is to learn what is truly optimal. This might be better understood looking at the longest living cultures. We could point to the Okinawans - who eat a lot of fat - pork high on the menu. Fat seems to be the key - protecting us from harmful elements of the diet, such as starches.

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

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on July 18, 2012
at 01:11 AM

You mention the Inuit but ignore the many healthy high carb cultures. Also, do you really think we ate no starchy food at all?

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

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on July 18, 2012
at 01:09 AM

Soporificat, there are many examples of people consuming way more than 35% of calories and still being healthy.

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on July 18, 2012
at 01:05 AM

However if someone wants to be lacto-paleo-vegetarian (ie for philisophical reasons), and follow paleo nutritional principles, I see no issue with that, apart from dietarary variation. Better still lacto-paleo-pescatarian.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on July 18, 2012
at 01:02 AM

What you have to remember with this whole "anti-fat" thing, is that modern people are scoffing down large quantities of refined carbs and refined sugar. None of these studies controls for this, because everyone that eats high fat on a sad diet, also eats pretty high carb and high sugar. Go to your local bakery and see. It turns out, at least, if your actually _using_ that fat for energy, instead of using glucose, the story is quite different.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on July 18, 2012
at 12:57 AM

If you want a diet higher in tubers, nuts and fruit, and lower in meat, or fat, then IMO youll have to be aware of insulin resistance, GI and also level of fructose consumed, also activity levels. If you eat lower GI fruit and tubers, and lower fructose fruit as well as excercise alot, perhaps some of the issues can be mitigated.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on July 18, 2012
at 12:55 AM

The modern northern african tribes do eat fruit, and some smaller amount of tubers. But most of their diet is still animals. And fruit is seasonal. Looking at the historical evidence from the paleolithic, its roughly similar. Fruit was sometimes a common food. Tubers were also, after the advent of fire. Meat was the mainstay. Fat was a vital energy source. There are certainly modern hunter gatherers that rely more on tubers and fruit, and it doesnt seem all that unhealthy, but there are still differences between that and flour, and those tribes are physically very active.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on July 18, 2012
at 12:48 AM

Someday I might learn English grammar. Of course, since I've had 55 years go at it so far, it could be awhile.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on July 18, 2012
at 12:47 AM

HG carries the spear, not the auroch.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on July 18, 2012
at 12:46 AM

Fruits great if you currently have an active hunter gathers metabolism. No problem then with chowing down some fruit before taking off on a long run after an auroch carrying a heavy spear. Probably not bad when you're already plenty lean and off for a little 4 mile walk with a toddler on your back. Not so good for the average modern human other than in moderation. In any case, studied modern hunter gatherers range from 35:65 meat:plant to virtually 100% animals with a mean @ 65:35 meat:plant. See study linked at top of page. In other words, fruit=seasonal treat, meat=steadily available staple.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on July 18, 2012
at 12:38 AM

A quick sample: ": In this review we have analyzed the 13 known quantitative dietary studies of HG and demonstrate that animal food actually provided the dominant (65%) energy source, while gathered plant foods comprised the remainder (35%). This data is consistent with a more recent, comprehensive review of the entire ethnographic data (n ¼ 229 HG societies) that showed the mean subsistence dependence upon gathered plant foods was 32%, whereas it was 68% for animal foods. Other evidence, including isotopic analyses of Paleolithic hominid collagen tissue, reductions in hominid gut size..."

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on July 18, 2012
at 12:36 AM

You are incorrect about meat:plant ratios in even current hunter gatherer populations. Have a thoroughly referenced scientific paper: http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/v56/n1s/pdf/1601353a.pdf

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on July 18, 2012
at 12:35 AM

You are incorrect about meat:plant ratios in even current hunter gatherer populations. Have a thoroughly referenced scientific paper: nature.com/ejcn/journal/v56/n1s/pdf/1601353a.pdf

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on July 18, 2012
at 12:32 AM

You are incorrect about meat:plant ratios in even current hunter gatherer populations. Have a study: http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/v56/n1s/pdf/1601353a.pdf

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

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on July 18, 2012
at 12:06 AM

Hmmmm, so low protein and low fat leaves us with high carb? A high carb Paleo diet? What would you eat? I'd like to see a sample menu.

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

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on July 18, 2012
at 12:05 AM

Don't forget disordered eating. My experience with eating higher fat has cleared up my disordered eating, which in turn makes me feel better since I am not craving all the "bad stuff" (sugar etc).

Cd717290eb43a6e17061f9920deed977

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on July 17, 2012
at 11:50 PM

Even then, it usually comes across as being an ass.

Cd717290eb43a6e17061f9920deed977

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on July 17, 2012
at 11:47 PM

Er, don't really understand the source of your snark. Are you objecting the exactness of the number? I meant it as a ballpark, really. As in, "a little more than a third, at most." Or, do you believe that it's fine to have a higher ratio of carbs. Snark only works if you're clear about it, btw.

Cd717290eb43a6e17061f9920deed977

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on July 17, 2012
at 11:30 PM

Nothing "magic" about it. It's just a ballpark figure, not an exact number, and it's a personal opinion based on my reading of modern hunter-gatherer surveys, my and my friends' personal experience as women without metabolic derangement, and "splitting the difference" amongst the various factions who argue about such things. So, as I implied above, a personal opinion, not an edict.

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on July 17, 2012
at 11:04 PM

What about fruit though? Surely some hunter gatherers liked fruit and would eat that before tracking, hunting, killing, and cooking an animal.

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on July 17, 2012
at 10:40 PM

Robb Wolf has repeatedly said that the reason he sometimes emphasizes "lean meats" is to get buy-in from people who really need to give Paleo a try, and are so fully brainwashed by the lowfat dogma that telling them to eat whatever damn cut of meat they want would just send them running away. When someone's been afraid of fat all their life, sometimes you have to tread lightly. If cutting the fat off a nice steak and throwing it in the trash makes people less scared to give up the corn flakes and TRY THIS, that's what Robb's going for. You can let them in on the butter and coconut oil later.

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on July 17, 2012
at 10:40 PM

Robb Wolf has repeatedly said that the reason he sometimes emphasizes "lean meats" is to get buy-in from people who really need to give Paleo a try, and are so fully brainwashed by the lowfat dogma that telling them to eat whatever damn cut of meat they want would just send them running away. When someone's been afraid of fat all their life, sometimes you have to tread lightly. If cutting the fat off a nice steal and throwing it in the trash makes people less scared to give up the corn flakes and TRY THIS, that's what Robb's going for. You can let them in on the butter and coconut oil later.

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on July 17, 2012
at 10:22 PM

Well argue away....

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on July 17, 2012
at 10:04 PM

Gotta love magic numbers like 35% carbs...

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on July 17, 2012
at 09:19 PM

Wow, Swede, maybe all those stone age people were just hunting for trophies! What an insight!

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on July 17, 2012
at 08:55 PM

Wow Bill you know about everything that has happened "at any time going backwards?" Be careful about people like this on here. They think they know EVERYTHING.

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on July 17, 2012
at 08:54 PM

Wow Bill you know about everything that has happened "at any time going backwards?

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on July 17, 2012
at 07:48 PM

A bit rude, but definitely on point. =)

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on July 17, 2012
at 07:42 PM

bc people at animals

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on July 17, 2012
at 07:41 PM

You got your research all wrong. A big percentage of the caloric intake of Paleolithic Humans, came from Ruminants.

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on July 17, 2012
at 07:19 PM

Because active hunter-gatherers don't have good internet access?

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on July 17, 2012
at 07:10 PM

I don't eat much fat. I don't believe that eating a larger amount of fat is unhealthy I'd simply rather get my calories from carbohydrate and protein. I eat the fat that comes along with the rest of my food, I don't add much. That usually has me anywhere from 12% of daily calories up to 25% of daily calories from fat. Does me just fine. Most of the fat-love you see here is prolly because there is a large number of people coming off a life of believing and hearing that fat kills. So you rebel and eat gobs of it. Give them time and most will comes around to a pleas ant middle ground.

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1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

on July 17, 2012
at 07:44 PM

No Place, at any time going backwards in history did someone track down and kill a beast and then turn their nose up at the meat and fat in order to eat some freaking leaves.

0361cceaf703c92f99848b078bfc9f67

(225)

on July 17, 2012
at 08:55 PM

Wow Bill you know about everything that has happened "at any time going backwards?" Be careful about people like this on here. They think they know EVERYTHING.

3a9d5dde5212ccd34b860bb6ed07bbef

(1782)

on July 17, 2012
at 11:04 PM

What about fruit though? Surely some hunter gatherers liked fruit and would eat that before tracking, hunting, killing, and cooking an animal.

0361cceaf703c92f99848b078bfc9f67

(225)

on July 17, 2012
at 08:54 PM

Wow Bill you know about everything that has happened "at any time going backwards?

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on July 17, 2012
at 07:48 PM

A bit rude, but definitely on point. =)

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on July 17, 2012
at 09:19 PM

Wow, Swede, maybe all those stone age people were just hunting for trophies! What an insight!

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on July 18, 2012
at 12:46 AM

Fruits great if you currently have an active hunter gathers metabolism. No problem then with chowing down some fruit before taking off on a long run after an auroch carrying a heavy spear. Probably not bad when you're already plenty lean and off for a little 4 mile walk with a toddler on your back. Not so good for the average modern human other than in moderation. In any case, studied modern hunter gatherers range from 35:65 meat:plant to virtually 100% animals with a mean @ 65:35 meat:plant. See study linked at top of page. In other words, fruit=seasonal treat, meat=steadily available staple.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on July 18, 2012
at 12:48 AM

Someday I might learn English grammar. Of course, since I've had 55 years go at it so far, it could be awhile.

F0e558010a2ecb31fa37b7c491596b8e

(3850)

on July 19, 2012
at 05:49 PM

Yeah, I can see the inner dialogue "should I kill an animal that will provide strenght and vitality to my family/clan for a few days? Na, I'll just eat this (extremely unpalatable) apple and I'm good."

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on July 18, 2012
at 12:47 AM

HG carries the spear, not the auroch.

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6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

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on July 17, 2012
at 07:38 PM

I don't think we hear a lot about low fat/low animal product diets on here or other forums a lot because people are so shocked and amazed after years of following exactly those guidelines and ending up quite overweight, it is a beautiful revelation that the inclusion of those things can reverse things like metabolic syndrome and result in significant weight loss. I suspect those who are having a successful life with low fat and animal product intake are just happily going about their business.

I also think we need to be careful about lumping modern hunter-gatherers in with paleolithic hunter-gatherers. I heard an interview on NPR earlier this year with someone who studies Amazonian tribes, and many tribes have had to turn more and more to relying on what they can dig up (i.e. starchy tubers) over the last 20-30 years because of loss of habitat for tribes and the animals they hunt. It isn't that they never ate a lot of meat, it is that they are having more difficulty finding it. I suspect environmental degradation has had this effect around the globe. Humans have kind of been victims of their own success when it comes to hunting, we most likely hunted the big game in Northern Europe to extinction during the late Pleistocene. And then proceeded to hunt many of the remaining large ruminants in Europe to extinction during the Roman era. I think it was being left with smaller, less fatty game, that led to animal husbandry and our modern livestock to ensure a constant supply of animal protein and fat.

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7bf306ada57db47547e9da39a415edf6

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on July 17, 2012
at 07:15 PM

Experience changes everything. Some people actually do follow low fat/low animal consumption diets for specific medical reasons, but the most wide spread issue here is weight loss, with athletic performance probably coming in second, and a significant contingent of folks with significant gut issues. Meat factors very strongly as a good idea for folks across all those fields.

My experience was this; the more fat in my fridge, the less on my body. I was even rendering fat off of briskets. Nowadays I carry a jar of ghee around with me. I still have fat in my fridge that I probably need to throw out. Needless to say, having that much fat in your fridge means you are also eating a lot of it. It is just what works, especially if you used to be obese.

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

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on July 18, 2012
at 12:05 AM

Don't forget disordered eating. My experience with eating higher fat has cleared up my disordered eating, which in turn makes me feel better since I am not craving all the "bad stuff" (sugar etc).

Bdc6244bdbd664d2168a8e326018ffbe

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on July 20, 2012
at 09:30 PM

August, are you male? My experience with high fat was NOT that I lost weight. I kind of gave up the VLC/high fat thing just a week or so ago, because its too boring for me/I definitely didn't lose weight. I've since been eating more vegetables and some sucrose, and lost a few pounds.

7bf306ada57db47547e9da39a415edf6

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on July 21, 2012
at 12:05 PM

I am male. It does get boring. I was doing the Shangri-la diet thing + low carb + paleo + calorie restriction. They all helped, so I don't think it is just one thing. Once I lost weight, I found I could maintain my weight loss largely by just following paleo guidelines, but now I am supposedly insulin resistant, so I bought a glucometer and expect to be more low carb again.

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Cd717290eb43a6e17061f9920deed977

on July 17, 2012
at 09:45 PM

I'm one of the more pro-carb paleo people that you will encounter, and even I believe that it's probably a bad idea to get more than 35% of your calories from carbs. So, the question then becomes: where do you get your calories from? Your only choices left are proteins and fats. It's virtually impossible to get pure protein from non-animal sources, and it's really difficult to stomach huge amounts of pure protein. So, ya gotta make up the bulk of your calories with fats.

If you're trying to lose body fat, then I guess that you don't need to worry about getting enough calories, but believe it or not, there are plenty of us Paleo folk who don't want to lose weight, and didn't become Paleo in order to lose weight. Thus, the issue of sufficient calories has to be addressed. The best answer is: Fat!

Cd717290eb43a6e17061f9920deed977

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on July 17, 2012
at 11:47 PM

Er, don't really understand the source of your snark. Are you objecting the exactness of the number? I meant it as a ballpark, really. As in, "a little more than a third, at most." Or, do you believe that it's fine to have a higher ratio of carbs. Snark only works if you're clear about it, btw.

Cd717290eb43a6e17061f9920deed977

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on July 17, 2012
at 11:50 PM

Even then, it usually comes across as being an ass.

Cd717290eb43a6e17061f9920deed977

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on July 17, 2012
at 11:30 PM

Nothing "magic" about it. It's just a ballpark figure, not an exact number, and it's a personal opinion based on my reading of modern hunter-gatherer surveys, my and my friends' personal experience as women without metabolic derangement, and "splitting the difference" amongst the various factions who argue about such things. So, as I implied above, a personal opinion, not an edict.

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on July 17, 2012
at 10:04 PM

Gotta love magic numbers like 35% carbs...

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

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on July 18, 2012
at 01:09 AM

Soporificat, there are many examples of people consuming way more than 35% of calories and still being healthy.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on July 19, 2012
at 06:56 PM

Why 35%, or a third of one's calories? Why stop there? Why would 50% or more be bad?

Cd717290eb43a6e17061f9920deed977

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on July 21, 2012
at 01:18 AM

Well, first thing--it's clear that nobody has the "correct" answer yet to the question of what percentage of your diet should come from carbs. My own opinion of this (note that above I said "I believe") is on the high side of what most Paleo folks think.

Cd717290eb43a6e17061f9920deed977

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on July 21, 2012
at 01:22 AM

My conclusion have come from a combination of my own experiences trying varying levels of carbs (I'm female without metabolic issues), my best friend's experiences (also no metabolic problems), and various research which has either impressed me, or unimpressed me.

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on July 17, 2012
at 07:23 PM

The short answer is probably what Ben said, and also that "fat is flavor." I also think it's important to note that less fat doesn't necessarily mean low-fat. I like my sweet potatoes, and I like them with a glob of pastured butter on top!

The choice doesn't have to be between low-carb or low-fat, excepting those who find one situation suits his or her metabolic needs in a superior fashion.

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on July 17, 2012
at 08:49 PM

The reason I reckon a lot of people post on these forums it's to meet like-minded people that they generally find to be rare in their day to day lives.

I switch between high carb low protein meals and high protein high fat. I know when I eat the high carb low protein meals, they look very..normal. As in they look very healthy in both paleo and SAD definitions. Most of my coworkers know I don't eat bread, but beyond that they just think I'm health conscious, they'll see me eat a salad or baked potato with salmon and greens, nothing that would look out of place in a women's weekly diet plan.

I wait until evenings and weekends to eat lovely fatty food. (I avoid hidden omega 6 by eating most of my fat in home cooked food)

So if you eat plant-based paleo, you're probably less likely to need answers because society is a bit more set up to cater to your needs.

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on July 18, 2012
at 06:28 AM

Hehe, I eat ox tail with my hands (it is hard to eat it with knife and forks) at common kitchen at work and don't make secret out of it :)

0382fa263de4c83328dc34a56e25437f

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on July 19, 2012
at 04:16 PM

+1 for the oxtail comment. Society can kiss my lean, muscled ass if it doesn't approve of how I eat. Incidentally, I use a salad fork to pry the meat off oxtail, and a grapefruit spoon to scrape out avocados and bone marrow. Raar.

0382fa263de4c83328dc34a56e25437f

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on July 19, 2012
at 04:16 PM

+1 for the oxtail comment. Society can kiss my lean, muscled ass if it doesn't approve of how I eat. Incidentally, I use a salad to pry the meat off oxtail, and a grapefruit spoon to scrape out avocados and bone marrow.

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D07a525f9021f8d72bf6aaa52893c795

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on July 17, 2012
at 08:49 PM

Many would disagree with you, I'm afraid.

Research I have read suggests that we had quite moderate fat intake - possibly more than we consume today on average. The balance would have been quite different, less PUFA and more sat fats.

Some modern research shows that we crave fats instinctively, and that we are exquisitely sensitive to the texture of fatty food - switching on our pleasure centres. This is hard wired into every one of us. Modern hunter gatherers, like the Kalahari bushmen, will immediately go for the fat and organ meats first.

It seems that we ate nearly no starchy food, and not even that much fruit - unless we go right back to the tropical rainforests.

The sweet tooth is a "modern invention", and we have selectively cultivated fruit to taste sweeter to cater to this new trend - which is, without question, to our detriment.

Modern evidence is pointing to fat as being the healthiest source of energy bar none, and the Inuit demonstrate how well you can be on a diet that contains virtually no plant foods. Moreover, it was observed that on this kind of diet, fat intake is critical, and that health can suffer when game has little fat content (as in the Spring, when fat reserves have been exhausted through the Winter)

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on July 18, 2012
at 01:11 AM

You mention the Inuit but ignore the many healthy high carb cultures. Also, do you really think we ate no starchy food at all?

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on July 18, 2012
at 04:56 AM

The high carb cultures you mention are modern. The Kalahari bushmen and Inuit are maybe the best modern insights we have of the ancient ways. The Inuit have adapted to their environment, and we are so successful as a species partly because of that adaptability. For me, what is most interesting is to learn what is truly optimal. This might be better understood looking at the longest living cultures. We could point to the Okinawans - who eat a lot of fat - pork high on the menu. Fat seems to be the key - protecting us from harmful elements of the diet, such as starches.

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on July 18, 2012
at 04:22 PM

This post so full of "paleo" myths I don't even know where to start. No starchy tubers? Wild fruit isn't sweet? The Inuit ate virtually no plants? The Okinawans don't eat rice or sweet potatoes?

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on July 20, 2012
at 09:30 AM

@NB&S - the myths have been created by you! Read more carefully, and you will see that, apart from the Inuit statement, you have added some additional "interpretation". Coming back yo the Inuit - the traditional diet indeed had virtually no food of plant origin - the contents of elk's stomachs, some berries in the Summer, but negligible in comparison to many other cultures.

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on July 20, 2012
at 09:32 AM

@NB&S - the myths have been created by you! Read more carefully, and you will see that, apart from the Inuit statement, you have added some additional "interpretation". Coming back to the Inuit - the traditional diet indeed had virtually no food of plant origin - the contents of elk's stomachs, some berries in the Summer, but negligible in comparison to many other cultures...

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on July 17, 2012
at 08:35 PM

Simply put because you are the first to assert it's perfectly Paleo. Can you substantiate that claim?

Whatever the community may think of Cordain's advice regarding diet, I haven't seen any who contest his facts. He seems to have spent the most time researching Paleo diets, working directly with notable anthropologists like Peter Ungar. He states that Paleo diets were much richer in meat (55% of calories) than what the typical American eats today (25% of calories). He advocates low fat, however, since he claims that Paleo game was leaner.

Wolf follows along the same lines, not surprisingly, and Jaminet advocates a higher fat diet. One of his reasons given was that Paleo man preferentially ate the fatty parts of animals.

That's not to say that these authors are exactly advocating a diet of 12 eggs a meal either just not "very low consumption of both fat and animal products".

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on July 17, 2012
at 10:40 PM

Robb Wolf has repeatedly said that the reason he sometimes emphasizes "lean meats" is to get buy-in from people who really need to give Paleo a try, and are so fully brainwashed by the lowfat dogma that telling them to eat whatever damn cut of meat they want would just send them running away. When someone's been afraid of fat all their life, sometimes you have to tread lightly. If cutting the fat off a nice steal and throwing it in the trash makes people less scared to give up the corn flakes and TRY THIS, that's what Robb's going for. You can let them in on the butter and coconut oil later.

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on July 17, 2012
at 10:40 PM

Robb Wolf has repeatedly said that the reason he sometimes emphasizes "lean meats" is to get buy-in from people who really need to give Paleo a try, and are so fully brainwashed by the lowfat dogma that telling them to eat whatever damn cut of meat they want would just send them running away. When someone's been afraid of fat all their life, sometimes you have to tread lightly. If cutting the fat off a nice steak and throwing it in the trash makes people less scared to give up the corn flakes and TRY THIS, that's what Robb's going for. You can let them in on the butter and coconut oil later.

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on July 17, 2012
at 09:22 PM

Just to add that most of the low fat products are higher in sugar than the normal fat varieties which can't be good.

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on July 19, 2012
at 05:32 PM

Paleo can be high-fat, low-fat, or any other macro ratio. Every person on here has a different genetic makeup, and although we are all similar, we function best on different ratios. Here are some things we can agree on. Paleolithic man did not eat industrial seed oils. Paleo man did not eat preservatives. Paleo man did not eat transfatty acids. Paleo man did move around more than the average person today. Paleo man was exposed to more sunshine that the average office worker today.

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