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Why am I hitting a massive wall in the afternoon/evening after dropping sugar/dairy?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created January 14, 2011 at 2:06 AM

We've been eating paleo for over a year now and loving it. Lost weight, great crossfit results etc. This month we are doing the whole 30 and I am struggling. All I've really had to cut out is a bit of milk in 2 coffees a day, dial the fruit back a bit, and skip the cheese.

We are 11 days in and I am finding by mid afternoon my mental clarity and alertness is tanking, and this continues for the rest of the day (not just a 3pm hiccup).

I've been working out the same amount, am eating plenty and even protein/fat snacks of jerky and nuts aren't making any difference. I don't feel hungry either.

My trainer suggested cutting all fruit for a couple of days in case I was still riding sugar-spikes from that, but no difference.

Typical day of food yesterday was: - post morning workout, sweet potato and custard made with just egg and clean coconut milk - breaky of bacon, mushrooms, spinach - nuts to snack - lunch was leftover roast lamb with broccoli, cauliflower and avocado - more nuts to snack mid arvo - dinner was kangaroo mince with loads of veges - even snuck in some macadamias to try and get an energy kick

Suggestions?

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on January 14, 2011
at 01:58 PM

I don't dissagree however I think it is easier to improve from something that has already worked for a year. Feeling bad when what you are doing is supose to make you healthier is rather demoralising.

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on January 14, 2011
at 01:17 PM

Some of us thought SAD felt good before, didn't even know the übermensch existence was so simple before. I highly recommend SELF testing, which is exactly what the whole30 is about. If you learn that you are superman with dairy and fruit, more power! But find out what your n= 1 is, don't assume that good is adequate or you could miss out on AMAZING!

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on January 14, 2011
at 01:13 PM

Later in the day is because your blood sugar is slowly dropping and body not prepped yet for ketones to pick up the slack

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on January 14, 2011
at 01:12 PM

My personal best fit is low veggies minimal fruit, high meat.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on January 14, 2011
at 01:12 PM

Sad= standard american diet.

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on January 14, 2011
at 11:17 AM

Thanks for this - makes sense, even to a newbie! So give my body time to adjust, and help it along with intermittent daily fasting? Is there a reason it seemed more pronounced later in the day, or would that be just related to eating patterns? Also, would you advocate similar to Dexter re lots more fat and ease up on veges and keep fruit low? Thanks. PS what exactly is S.A.D.?

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on January 14, 2011
at 11:04 AM

and stop snacking AT ALL, it hurts the process heavily.

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on January 14, 2011
at 11:03 AM

up your coconut oil intake slowly or you might experience an unpleasant laxative effect.

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on January 14, 2011
at 09:12 AM

Just know that you are a n=1 experiment. Try cutting the broc/cauliflower out for a while and replace with more fat. Coconut oil has about 120 cal per tablespoon. I use 4 or 5 tablespoons a day cooking or I just eat it out of the jar.

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on January 14, 2011
at 05:39 AM

Thanks for this - good advice. Just to clarify, the nut/meat snacks are literally just meat (home-made jerky) and plain nuts, so nothing added/processed (so no sugar/gluten etc). Removing dairy is part of the Whole30 eating plan, which aims to remove anything processed etc. So more fat then - need to get creative I guess! I tend to eat plenty of broc/cauliflower as it is so nutrient dense. Would you suggest less as they are giving me carbs not fat/protein? Cheers.

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on January 14, 2011
at 03:43 AM

You simply are not fueling your body enough with meat and fat for your level of activity. You were fueling with sugar in the milk and sugar and now you have to replace that energy with fat and meat. Yes no fruit but why stop the cheese? It looks like you are eating for comfort with the calliflower and broc and mushrooms and nuts...nuts are too high in omega 6 fatty acids...except for the macadamias. They have good saturated fat. So do avocados. Cut out the protein/fat snacks. Look at the label and see how much gluten products and sugar products are in those things. Any word that ends in "ose" is a sugar/fructose.

Fuel your body with real animal protein and fat, coconut oil, butter/ghee, palm oil, avos, macs, olive oil, eggs cooked in coconut oil or butter.

Kangaroo meat has only 2% fat but has good quality protein.

I suspect you are overloading on protein and not enough fat. Many of the paleo people here eat 75% fat, 20% protein and 5% carbs or less.

Try this...eat only 6 eggs deep fried in coconut oil plus 1/8 pound of bacon and coffee with all the heavy cream you want for breakfast. Macs and avocados for lunch. Dinner 20 ounces of steak pan fried in a liberal amount of coconut oil with all the fat around the edge. A large salad with only olive oil and vinegar. You do this for a week, and I bet your fog and loss of mental clarity will disappear.

Good luck to you. Fuel your body with meat and fat.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

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on January 14, 2011
at 09:12 AM

Just know that you are a n=1 experiment. Try cutting the broc/cauliflower out for a while and replace with more fat. Coconut oil has about 120 cal per tablespoon. I use 4 or 5 tablespoons a day cooking or I just eat it out of the jar.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22923)

on January 14, 2011
at 11:03 AM

up your coconut oil intake slowly or you might experience an unpleasant laxative effect.

Ee94f4d9e5d98babebdb4ce54dab40d0

(15)

on January 14, 2011
at 05:39 AM

Thanks for this - good advice. Just to clarify, the nut/meat snacks are literally just meat (home-made jerky) and plain nuts, so nothing added/processed (so no sugar/gluten etc). Removing dairy is part of the Whole30 eating plan, which aims to remove anything processed etc. So more fat then - need to get creative I guess! I tend to eat plenty of broc/cauliflower as it is so nutrient dense. Would you suggest less as they are giving me carbs not fat/protein? Cheers.

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4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

on January 14, 2011
at 09:57 AM

You are not yet Keto adapted. Its that simple.

Your body burns fat and uses ketones for energy when glucose is not available.

If youre eating S.A.D. and constantly putting food in, you blood glucose stays high from intake.If you drop all that incoming sugar, you body will learn to hold it for a while, but is really an efficient machine.

Your body will relearn to use body fat for energy when you arent feeding it glucose, but it can takes time, faster if you go into ketosis often, or intermittently fast daily.

Once you have made the transition, you will find energy all day, and the ability to switch back and forth between low carb and moderate carb with no flux in energy.

I hate saying it, but this is one of those "give it time" situations. your mitochondria need to reprogram.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22923)

on January 14, 2011
at 01:13 PM

Later in the day is because your blood sugar is slowly dropping and body not prepped yet for ketones to pick up the slack

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22923)

on January 14, 2011
at 01:12 PM

My personal best fit is low veggies minimal fruit, high meat.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22923)

on January 14, 2011
at 01:12 PM

Sad= standard american diet.

Ee94f4d9e5d98babebdb4ce54dab40d0

(15)

on January 14, 2011
at 11:17 AM

Thanks for this - makes sense, even to a newbie! So give my body time to adjust, and help it along with intermittent daily fasting? Is there a reason it seemed more pronounced later in the day, or would that be just related to eating patterns? Also, would you advocate similar to Dexter re lots more fat and ease up on veges and keep fruit low? Thanks. PS what exactly is S.A.D.?

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22923)

on January 14, 2011
at 11:04 AM

and stop snacking AT ALL, it hurts the process heavily.

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on January 14, 2011
at 12:26 PM

If I understand you correctly:

  • You have been eating paleo for over a year now and loving it.

  • You lost weight and have had great crossfit results etc.

  • This month you are doing the whole 30 and you are struggling and generally feeling bad.

So what you were doing before was working well and what you are doing now is not working.

My first suggestion would be to try going back to what you were doing before. Try and make any changes, such as those suggested in other answers, from that position. Then you have more of an idea as which changes are working for you.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22923)

on January 14, 2011
at 01:17 PM

Some of us thought SAD felt good before, didn't even know the übermensch existence was so simple before. I highly recommend SELF testing, which is exactly what the whole30 is about. If you learn that you are superman with dairy and fruit, more power! But find out what your n= 1 is, don't assume that good is adequate or you could miss out on AMAZING!

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19235)

on January 14, 2011
at 01:58 PM

I don't dissagree however I think it is easier to improve from something that has already worked for a year. Feeling bad when what you are doing is supose to make you healthier is rather demoralising.

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