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Where are all of the Paleo pro athletes?

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Created May 23, 2011 at 7:52 PM

Im seeing more and more MMA fighters adopt vegetarianism and it got me to thinking that we almost never hear about a professional athlete contribute part of their success to Paleo.

Shane Carwin is a beast of a man and just went vegetarian http://www.shane-carwin.com/profiles/blogs/249-pounds-20-days-out-the

One of the best 170lb fighters in the world contributes his success to growing up vegie http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/04/14/jake-shields-talks-vegetarian-diet-in-new-peta-ad-campaign/

and I know that John Fitch just became a freakin V*gan.

Perhaps these guys are just the genetically super gifted and therefore have much more leeway in what the eat? Kind of like the kid we all know growing up who ate Mc'Ds all the time but was still shredded. Paleo has been huge for me and Im not giving it up but I do wonder why more elite athletes are not embracing it.

Edit: I see people listing athletes that have dropped some food allergies but does this make them Paleo? Is a high carb, low fat, diet sans gluten or sans a few food allergies Paleo? These athletes could still be chowing down on rice (grain) and beans (legumes) and corn tortillas (more grain). I agree that it is a step towards Paleo but so is anything that modifies a SAD diet.

Edit 2: F-Yeah! Frank Mir (MMA) drops Vegan to become Paleo. Strength and muscle mass shot up

http://whypaleo.com/2011/05/mma-fighter-frank-mir-ends-year-long-vegan-experiment-to-eat-paleo/

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on January 03, 2013
at 02:33 PM

Lesnar was eating Paleo when he developed diverticulitis.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

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on January 03, 2013
at 02:31 PM

Lesnar barely pulled that fight off. And his conditioning was obviously far inferior to Carwin's.

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on January 03, 2013
at 02:16 PM

Indeed... lol at Overeem not on steroids because he eats horse meat.

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on January 03, 2013
at 01:56 PM

tell that to Tim Olson http://www.meandmydiabetes.com/2012/08/11/western-states-100-low-carber-wins-ultramarathon-steve-phinney-and-jeff-volek-study/

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on January 03, 2013
at 01:25 PM

Paleo does not mean low carb.

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on January 03, 2013
at 01:22 PM

they genearlly go vegam (or low carb) AFTER becoming pros...

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on July 16, 2012
at 11:30 PM

I don't even eat paleo. I was just saying that the athletes, the coaches and the trainers whose careers depend on being the best should read the actual science and come to the right conclusion instead of making things up.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on July 16, 2012
at 11:29 PM

I wasn't even talking about paleo there. I don't even eat paleo. Just that the athletes, the coaches and the trainers whose careers depend on being the best read the actual science and come to the right conclusion instead of making things up.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on July 16, 2012
at 11:08 PM

is good for performance and anybody who has ever looked at the science will be able to tell this, so the belief that it is bad or neutral for performance is probably pseudo-scientific superstition.

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on July 16, 2012
at 11:06 PM

I'm not even paleo, I just go by the actual evidence. And so should athletes and trainers and coaches and people whose careers depend on it, don't you think? Simply stating that the belief that a vegetarian diet is good for performance in strength sports is pseudo-scientific superstition isn't arrogance but plain fact. Here's an article by Anthony Colpo on how cholesterol-rich animals foods are a major predictor of strength gains anthonycolpo.com/?p=3594 You know creatine and beta-alanine? The supplements that work for strength? Meat is the only food source. Yep. When taken in isolation meat

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on July 16, 2012
at 11:06 PM

I'm not even paleo, I just go by the actual evidence. And so should athletes and trainers and coaches and people whose careers depend on it, don't you think? Simply stating that the belief that a vegetarian diet is good for performance in strength sports is pseudo-scientific superstition isn't arrogance but plain fact. Here's an article by Anthony Colpo on how cholesterol-rich animals foods are a major predictor of strength gains http://anthonycolpo.com/?p=3594 You know creatine and beta-alanine? The supplements that work for strength? Only found in meat. Yup.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on July 16, 2012
at 11:01 PM

I just go by the evidence, I'm not even paleo. But the difference is that if you are a professional athlete, or a trainer or coach, you should probably try to learn some science so that you don't get things wrong.

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on July 16, 2012
at 03:19 PM

and Lesnar is 260 and "supplement" free. And if you believe that, I've got a bridge to see ya. Have you seen Lesnar fight past the first round? Cardio is not his strong suit.

F304bea43ca3e5193c88fa3973c1eb07

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on July 16, 2012
at 03:16 PM

Oh the arrogance of the paleo folks rears its ugly head again. Before you ate Paleo you followed this diet, then that diet, and now paleo. Kinda questions your intelligence if you didn't figure this out in your childhood. I mean, it is based on the diet of the prehistoric man, right? I'm sure someone during your formal education you learned how he lived.

F304bea43ca3e5193c88fa3973c1eb07

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on July 16, 2012
at 03:14 PM

The Nash diet is not Paleo, and don't give me the Paleo-ish. It is, or is not. Check out his breakfast alone.

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on July 16, 2012
at 03:13 PM

He was a mediocre player at best.

F304bea43ca3e5193c88fa3973c1eb07

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on July 16, 2012
at 03:12 PM

We'll also see how this Paleo thing works for the Paleo folks come about 20 years. Diet and food is an ever changing fad. No one has this thing figured out yet.

F304bea43ca3e5193c88fa3973c1eb07

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on July 16, 2012
at 03:10 PM

When has Mir every looked good? In spite of his size, he's a BJJ guy, and for the most part they take a beating waiting on an opportunity. Danzig is still a vegan...and before everyone starts firing away, I am not. But some of these posts sure get militant. To each his/her own. But it certainly skews the message when some Paleo folks, instead of trying to educate or share the point of view, get very defensive when people dare question Paleo.

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on July 16, 2012
at 03:08 PM

so Finch doesn't have exciting fights, but he wins. Hmmm, is this a beauty contest, or is the idea to win? BJJ is a major part of the sport, and its not very exciting those those new to watching MMA.

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on June 10, 2012
at 09:02 PM

Reem just got busted for testing positive in las Vegas, that is why he was not in the last title fight and was replaced by vegetarian Frank Mir who is on TRT. Reem's epitestosterone to testosterone ratio was 14:1, whereas in the average male it is close to 1:1.

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on June 10, 2012
at 09:00 PM

Mir got whalloped in his last fight and he looked so out of shape it was pathetic. He is now on TRT (testosterone replacement therapy). None of the vegetarian fighters are that great except for the Diaz brothers. Shane Carwin is going to really suck especially now that he is off all the roids.

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on June 10, 2012
at 06:10 PM

Stupid that someone down voted you and didn't give a reason. Emperical evidence would show there have been a lot more vegan and vegetarian olympians than low carb (keto) paleo. Just saying...

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on June 10, 2012
at 05:55 PM

@UncleLongHair, be shocked Scott Jurek, one of the best ultra-marathon runners of all time is a vegeterian, and since 1999 a vegan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Jurek Off the top of my head, TdF King of the Mountains Robert Millar is also a vegeterian.

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on September 22, 2011
at 05:58 PM

Yes, but Brock has a lot of serious GI health issues, so definitely not a good pick.

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on June 01, 2011
at 03:35 AM

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2011/05/28/20110528athletics-food-performance-enhancing-drugs.html#ixzz1NzLyhB00 Best line is "if it was around 50,000 years ago, I eat it."

Cf626d3fba66c18297b3f1116a920e58

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on May 29, 2011
at 01:12 AM

I BELIEVE IN THE REEM!!! This is sports, man. All opinions and fandom are beyond reasoning... or fall short of reasoning. I can't remember which.

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on May 28, 2011
at 01:23 PM

couple things here. brock's ACTUALLY paleo. brock undergoes the testing in the US which isn't as good as some hope but it's miles ahead of the testing that overeem gets which is virtually NONE! he has fought almost exclusively in japan the last couple of years because they do no drug-testing. this dude went from about 200lbs to 250 in 4 years or so with no help? hahahahah... i don't care how much horsemeat you eat, that ain't happening. and this is coming from someone who eats 3 lbs of meat a day...

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on May 28, 2011
at 01:22 PM

I am also pant based. I'm sitting in pants right now in fact.

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on May 28, 2011
at 07:22 AM

Even if these guys (and a TON more) aren't 100% vegetarian or vegan, the one thing they have in common... they're pant based.

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on May 24, 2011
at 03:17 AM

haha, I agree with Rafa being the favorite. However Novak has beaten him 4 times in a row this year and hasn't lost so ir's hard to argue that he's not the best player in the past 6 months ;)

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on May 24, 2011
at 02:35 AM

Oh, I see. (Why 15 characters? WHY???)

Cf626d3fba66c18297b3f1116a920e58

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on May 24, 2011
at 02:17 AM

Everyone thinks Alistair does roids. I think the man just moves a ton of weight and eats 500+g horsemeat daily.

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on May 24, 2011
at 01:46 AM

Why does that make you feel very alone? I don't get it.

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on May 24, 2011
at 01:44 AM

But Paleo does = eating grains and legumes? Then what does define Paleo?

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on May 24, 2011
at 01:32 AM

I don't, not all of them. It is just that to me going vegetarian to improve fighting performance demonstrates a lapse in reasoning. Might not be their fault and they might not be dumb now that I think about it. We all make mistakes.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on May 24, 2011
at 01:15 AM

I don't, but just by watching Ultimate Fighter they all seem like meatheads. I'm sure there are some who aren't dumb. More to the point it might just be ignorance of the science of things, which doesn't necessarily mean stupidity.

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on May 24, 2011
at 01:05 AM

These guys aren't particularly intelligent in the first place? Where exactly did you get that idea? Are you still one of those people who think that MMA is human cockfighting or something? MMA is a serious sport with serious competitors. The shit talking is all for show, and it's unfortunate that the way the UFC has to cater to the masses is to make it SEEM like human cockfighting. But that will change. In the future, MMA will emerge as a serious sport just like tennis etc. Don't let the popular MMA promotions' business strategies confuse you into thinking MMA is brutal stupidity or something.

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on May 24, 2011
at 01:03 AM

I agree... athletes may not be what is typically called 'paleo' but there are certainly some who perform at a high level and adopt some of the same principles laid forth by the PH community and other related resources. It seems as though elite athletes are more carb-focused, which is understandable given their level of physical activity. Paleo != low-carb

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on May 24, 2011
at 01:00 AM

Geoff, with all due respect, I think you're being a bit dogmatic here. I didn't say he was eating paleo, I said "fairly paleo". Also, I don't see "low-fat" anywhere in that article, although he certainly isn't talking about slathering his meals with ghee. The key is that he's recognized nutrition as a key part of his athletic regime, and focuses on eating whole, unprocessed foods. Sure, he still reaches for wheat-free cereal... but what else about that quote isn't paleo?

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on May 24, 2011
at 12:50 AM

I thought Mac quit the vegan thing? ... and when has Fitch ever looked good in a fight? Maybe he wins, but man, he never looks good. I suppose he almost put up an exciting round at the end off the BJ Penn fight, but ehhh, that's about it. There's an awesome John Fitch "highlight" reel out there of him just holding people down.

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on May 24, 2011
at 12:48 AM

I thought Mac quit the vegan thing fairly recently??

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on May 24, 2011
at 12:33 AM

For what it's worth, Fitch did not look great in his one fight since becoming a vegetarian.

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on May 24, 2011
at 12:01 AM

Best is arguable. I'll be rooting for Nadal at Roland Garros :)

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on May 23, 2011
at 11:06 PM

and? what's your point? because my point was that VDV states cutting gluten, one of the main steps of a Paleo diet, improved his digestion and his performance. So what if he eats all of those things? It doesn't change the fact that he saw an improvement from eliminating something Paleos eliminate. Like i said the first time, but obviously I have to say again to you, I never said he was Paleo, I just mentioned it because athletic improvement through Paleo methods is relevant to the topic.

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on May 23, 2011
at 10:55 PM

"I use rye, brown rice or buckwheat to make bread. To replace Christian’s favorite morning muffins, I use oat flour and millet. He loves the tastes and having bread again " "beans, spelt, oats, quinoa, rye barley and rice, pure maple syrup and raw honey and extra virgin olive oil. “With these things in the house, you can’t go wrong,”

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on May 23, 2011
at 10:52 PM

except for maybe Dave Zabriskie.

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on May 23, 2011
at 10:52 PM

and i seriously doubt a pro cyclist is living on rice milk and tofu.

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on May 23, 2011
at 10:51 PM

no geoff, but the tone of your question makes you a bit obnoxious. I never said he was Paleo. All i said was that he took one of the major steps one would take toward being Paleo and that for him, the proof was in the pudding. I also happen to like him as an athlete.

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on May 23, 2011
at 10:46 PM

If I eat an all tofu, rice milk, pea protein and corn diet but dont eat gluten does that make me Paleo?

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on May 23, 2011
at 10:37 PM

His diet does not sound Paleo to me Breakfast "-Gluten and wheat free cereal, sliced almonds and almond or rice milk. (If you don't have the sensitivities I have look for a high fiber cereal. At least 4 grams of fiber.) I will also have a whole fruit smoothie or an apple, banana or orange.Green tea." He is high carb, low fat and skips gluten for other grains. He does cut out alot of processed food for his lunch and dinner but if that was Paleo then the whole world was eating Paleo before the Industrial Revolution (especially places that ate corn or rice instead of gluten)

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on May 23, 2011
at 10:31 PM

I believe that Carwin says he's "almost vegetarian." "Semi-vegetarian diets consist largely of vegetarian foods, but may include fish or poultry, or other meats on an infrequent basis. Those with diets containing fish or poultry may define "meat" only as mammalian flesh and may identify with vegetarianism.[6][7][8] "

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on May 23, 2011
at 10:30 PM

Perhaps he is exactly what he says he is semi-vegetarian "Semi-vegetarian diets consist largely of vegetarian foods, but may include fish or poultry, or other meats on an infrequent basis. Those with diets containing fish or poultry may define "meat" only as mammalian flesh and may identify with vegetarianism.[6][7][8] " Still not Paleo if you stay away from fat, eat legumes, and grains

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on May 23, 2011
at 09:42 PM

agreed, his comment makes no sense. Vegetarian doesnt mean living on veggies, it means no meat. So saying that except for the meat I eat, I eat no meat? Um........ LOL

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on May 23, 2011
at 09:34 PM

Jake Shields is (on the left) http://www.strikeforce.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/009_Jake_Shields_and_Dan_Henderson.jpg John Fitch is http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID902/images/Fitch-winner.jpeg Matt Danzig is vegan http://www.mmaplayground.com/discussion/topic/peta-ufcs-mac-danzig-vegan-posterboy-13852p1.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoTGMxgn1tg I know that Paleo is right for me as I naturally have very high protein needs. Perhaps some of these top athletes are more efficient with their protein genetically? Danzig says he only eats around 70g/day

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on May 23, 2011
at 08:37 PM

In the interview with Shane Carwin he says "I am nearly a vegetarian aside from the poultry and fish." Not nearly the same thing as vegetarian... I would be shocked to hear of any pro athlete that is vegetarian besides ultra-endurance sports (i.e. biking).

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on May 23, 2011
at 09:50 PM

Here's some press you may have missed: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?id=5021601

" 'When I was in New England [during the '08 preseason] a bunch of the guys saw the way I ate and asked a lot of questions. So I ended up writing out some diet stuff for them," Welbourn said. "They were pretty interested.'

As they should be.

Welbourn, a 10-year NFL veteran, had just introduced them to the Paleo Diet, more popularly referred to as the 'Caveman Diet.' But don't let the catchy name fool you -- there's plenty of science behind it."

F304bea43ca3e5193c88fa3973c1eb07

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on July 16, 2012
at 03:13 PM

He was a mediocre player at best.

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on May 23, 2011
at 08:33 PM

Acutally, it sounds like Carwin IS eating Paleo lol. Just because he doesn't eat red meat or pork doesn't mean he's vegetarian and not Paleo... he's eating fish and chicken and tons of veggies.

B22e5946e28a1845a6006737e59edfc6

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on May 23, 2011
at 10:31 PM

I believe that Carwin says he's "almost vegetarian." "Semi-vegetarian diets consist largely of vegetarian foods, but may include fish or poultry, or other meats on an infrequent basis. Those with diets containing fish or poultry may define "meat" only as mammalian flesh and may identify with vegetarianism.[6][7][8] "

B22e5946e28a1845a6006737e59edfc6

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on May 23, 2011
at 10:30 PM

Perhaps he is exactly what he says he is semi-vegetarian "Semi-vegetarian diets consist largely of vegetarian foods, but may include fish or poultry, or other meats on an infrequent basis. Those with diets containing fish or poultry may define "meat" only as mammalian flesh and may identify with vegetarianism.[6][7][8] " Still not Paleo if you stay away from fat, eat legumes, and grains

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on May 23, 2011
at 09:42 PM

agreed, his comment makes no sense. Vegetarian doesnt mean living on veggies, it means no meat. So saying that except for the meat I eat, I eat no meat? Um........ LOL

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on May 23, 2011
at 08:06 PM

Well, Novak Djokovic hit the news recently about giving up gluten.

It's at least interesting to see a main news site pick it up. And yeah, it doesn't look like he's going to give up meat, if the pictures in the WSJ are any indication.

I'd be surprised if any of these MMA players see good long term results. Most likely they're going to have to cheat, or face dire results over a period of months without a good source of protein for recovery.

Though you have to wonder about what Carwin says. "I am nearly a vegetarian aside from the poultry and fish." No, that's not a vegetarian! Perhaps a Pescetarian label would be better in this case. rolls eyes

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on July 16, 2012
at 03:12 PM

We'll also see how this Paleo thing works for the Paleo folks come about 20 years. Diet and food is an ever changing fad. No one has this thing figured out yet.

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on May 28, 2011
at 11:49 AM

High carb is paleo...

Animal protien doesn't have magic recovery benefits over complete plant proteins like potatoes.

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on June 10, 2012
at 06:10 PM

Stupid that someone down voted you and didn't give a reason. Emperical evidence would show there have been a lot more vegan and vegetarian olympians than low carb (keto) paleo. Just saying...

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on January 03, 2013
at 01:22 PM

they genearlly go vegam (or low carb) AFTER becoming pros...

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on May 23, 2011
at 10:41 PM

Top pro cyclist Christian Vande Velde cut out gluten. I know he gets plenty of other carbs, but he's been performing really, really well, particularly as he had some absolutely terrifying crashes (broke his pelvis, fractured ribs and in another one broke a collarbone). Since he's from the Chicago area, we consider him our hometown boy in the Tour and always cheer for him. Hoping he improves on his 4th place finish in the 2008 Tour de France and just wins the whole thing.

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on May 23, 2011
at 10:52 PM

and i seriously doubt a pro cyclist is living on rice milk and tofu.

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on May 23, 2011
at 11:06 PM

and? what's your point? because my point was that VDV states cutting gluten, one of the main steps of a Paleo diet, improved his digestion and his performance. So what if he eats all of those things? It doesn't change the fact that he saw an improvement from eliminating something Paleos eliminate. Like i said the first time, but obviously I have to say again to you, I never said he was Paleo, I just mentioned it because athletic improvement through Paleo methods is relevant to the topic.

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on May 23, 2011
at 10:55 PM

"I use rye, brown rice or buckwheat to make bread. To replace Christian’s favorite morning muffins, I use oat flour and millet. He loves the tastes and having bread again " "beans, spelt, oats, quinoa, rye barley and rice, pure maple syrup and raw honey and extra virgin olive oil. “With these things in the house, you can’t go wrong,”

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on May 23, 2011
at 10:46 PM

If I eat an all tofu, rice milk, pea protein and corn diet but dont eat gluten does that make me Paleo?

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on May 23, 2011
at 10:51 PM

no geoff, but the tone of your question makes you a bit obnoxious. I never said he was Paleo. All i said was that he took one of the major steps one would take toward being Paleo and that for him, the proof was in the pudding. I also happen to like him as an athlete.

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on May 23, 2011
at 10:52 PM

except for maybe Dave Zabriskie.

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on May 24, 2011
at 01:03 AM

I agree... athletes may not be what is typically called 'paleo' but there are certainly some who perform at a high level and adopt some of the same principles laid forth by the PH community and other related resources. It seems as though elite athletes are more carb-focused, which is understandable given their level of physical activity. Paleo != low-carb

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(2437)

on May 24, 2011
at 01:44 AM

But Paleo does = eating grains and legumes? Then what does define Paleo?

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Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on May 23, 2011
at 10:31 PM

John Welbourn of course. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXz2dUprLAg

Huge and studly.

It's funny that MMA fighters think that vegetarianism is a good thing. Sports have traditionally be steeped in pseudo-scientific superstition and obviously these guys aren't particularly intelligent in the first place but I wouldn't have expected such an egregious error in reasoning.

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on May 24, 2011
at 01:05 AM

These guys aren't particularly intelligent in the first place? Where exactly did you get that idea? Are you still one of those people who think that MMA is human cockfighting or something? MMA is a serious sport with serious competitors. The shit talking is all for show, and it's unfortunate that the way the UFC has to cater to the masses is to make it SEEM like human cockfighting. But that will change. In the future, MMA will emerge as a serious sport just like tennis etc. Don't let the popular MMA promotions' business strategies confuse you into thinking MMA is brutal stupidity or something.

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(17969)

on May 24, 2011
at 01:15 AM

I don't, but just by watching Ultimate Fighter they all seem like meatheads. I'm sure there are some who aren't dumb. More to the point it might just be ignorance of the science of things, which doesn't necessarily mean stupidity.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on May 24, 2011
at 01:32 AM

I don't, not all of them. It is just that to me going vegetarian to improve fighting performance demonstrates a lapse in reasoning. Might not be their fault and they might not be dumb now that I think about it. We all make mistakes.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on July 16, 2012
at 11:08 PM

is good for performance and anybody who has ever looked at the science will be able to tell this, so the belief that it is bad or neutral for performance is probably pseudo-scientific superstition.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on July 16, 2012
at 11:06 PM

I'm not even paleo, I just go by the actual evidence. And so should athletes and trainers and coaches and people whose careers depend on it, don't you think? Simply stating that the belief that a vegetarian diet is good for performance in strength sports is pseudo-scientific superstition isn't arrogance but plain fact. Here's an article by Anthony Colpo on how cholesterol-rich animals foods are a major predictor of strength gains http://anthonycolpo.com/?p=3594 You know creatine and beta-alanine? The supplements that work for strength? Only found in meat. Yup.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on July 16, 2012
at 11:30 PM

I don't even eat paleo. I was just saying that the athletes, the coaches and the trainers whose careers depend on being the best should read the actual science and come to the right conclusion instead of making things up.

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(20)

on July 16, 2012
at 03:16 PM

Oh the arrogance of the paleo folks rears its ugly head again. Before you ate Paleo you followed this diet, then that diet, and now paleo. Kinda questions your intelligence if you didn't figure this out in your childhood. I mean, it is based on the diet of the prehistoric man, right? I'm sure someone during your formal education you learned how he lived.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on July 16, 2012
at 11:06 PM

I'm not even paleo, I just go by the actual evidence. And so should athletes and trainers and coaches and people whose careers depend on it, don't you think? Simply stating that the belief that a vegetarian diet is good for performance in strength sports is pseudo-scientific superstition isn't arrogance but plain fact. Here's an article by Anthony Colpo on how cholesterol-rich animals foods are a major predictor of strength gains anthonycolpo.com/?p=3594 You know creatine and beta-alanine? The supplements that work for strength? Meat is the only food source. Yep. When taken in isolation meat

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on July 16, 2012
at 11:29 PM

I wasn't even talking about paleo there. I don't even eat paleo. Just that the athletes, the coaches and the trainers whose careers depend on being the best read the actual science and come to the right conclusion instead of making things up.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on July 16, 2012
at 11:01 PM

I just go by the evidence, I'm not even paleo. But the difference is that if you are a professional athlete, or a trainer or coach, you should probably try to learn some science so that you don't get things wrong.

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on May 23, 2011
at 09:45 PM

I think there are plenty of professional athletes who are following a fairly paleo-based diet. However, they may not know or advertise that what they're doing is "paleo" per se. They probably aren't nit-picking about macro-nutrient ratios, phytates, or oil oxidation, but since they are professional athletes, they can handle a substantial amount of carbohydrate fuel without developing metabolic abnormalities - they simply burn through it during their regular high intensity workouts. Older athletes are more likely to turn to improved nutrition as well, in an effort to maintain a high level of play among the young guns coming out of college as their bodies become slower and weaker.

The most salient example I can think of is Steve Nash. Nash has been silencing his critics by playing so competitively for an older veteran in the league.

The 6-3 guard learned that he was sensitive to wheat, gluten, dairy, tomatoes and onions and returns regularly to the naturopath for IV's of vitamins and trace minerals that may be low from the wear-and-tear of the season.

I've heard similar things about Grant Hill and Ray Allen. I recall seeing Allen tell an interviewer about his pre-game meal - always chicken/fish and rice.

See here for more on "The Nash Diet" (note that the term paleo is nowhere to be found!)

link

tl;dr there are probably many athletes who follow a fairly paleo diet but are too busy to blog about the science or post to paleo hacks :)

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(2437)

on May 23, 2011
at 10:37 PM

His diet does not sound Paleo to me Breakfast "-Gluten and wheat free cereal, sliced almonds and almond or rice milk. (If you don't have the sensitivities I have look for a high fiber cereal. At least 4 grams of fiber.) I will also have a whole fruit smoothie or an apple, banana or orange.Green tea." He is high carb, low fat and skips gluten for other grains. He does cut out alot of processed food for his lunch and dinner but if that was Paleo then the whole world was eating Paleo before the Industrial Revolution (especially places that ate corn or rice instead of gluten)

A0b8c4cc369f93ee987ce15b1bf323fe

on May 24, 2011
at 01:00 AM

Geoff, with all due respect, I think you're being a bit dogmatic here. I didn't say he was eating paleo, I said "fairly paleo". Also, I don't see "low-fat" anywhere in that article, although he certainly isn't talking about slathering his meals with ghee. The key is that he's recognized nutrition as a key part of his athletic regime, and focuses on eating whole, unprocessed foods. Sure, he still reaches for wheat-free cereal... but what else about that quote isn't paleo?

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on June 01, 2011
at 03:35 AM

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2011/05/28/20110528athletics-food-performance-enhancing-drugs.html#ixzz1NzLyhB00 Best line is "if it was around 50,000 years ago, I eat it."

F304bea43ca3e5193c88fa3973c1eb07

(20)

on July 16, 2012
at 03:14 PM

The Nash diet is not Paleo, and don't give me the Paleo-ish. It is, or is not. Check out his breakfast alone.

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on May 23, 2011
at 08:08 PM

Novak Djokovic has gone gluten free and recieved a lot of press lately. The tough part is that what we think of as paleo, is often just a high-protein, low carb diet that lots of athletes have had for years. Also, I think that in the grand scheme, paleo is still a very niche thing and most people (journalists) would see this as a low-carb or gluten-free thing, so thats why you dont hear about it as much.

As far as these guys go, I doubt the veggie thing will last too long. Maybe ok for Jake Sheilds because he grew up that way and hasnt known any difference. However, every veggie athlete I have ever know hits a pretty hard plateau, cant get over the hump, and then overtrains themselves into injury. Afterwards, gets back on the meat, and has this crazy jump in performance and talks about how they dont have to train near as hard as they used to. Of course, that is purely anecdotal.

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(15236)

on May 23, 2011
at 08:06 PM

They don't use the 'P' word but when you're gluten free you're pretty close. The best tennis player in the world....

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703509104576327624238594818.html

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(15236)

on May 24, 2011
at 03:17 AM

haha, I agree with Rafa being the favorite. However Novak has beaten him 4 times in a row this year and hasn't lost so ir's hard to argue that he's not the best player in the past 6 months ;)

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(7314)

on May 24, 2011
at 12:01 AM

Best is arguable. I'll be rooting for Nadal at Roland Garros :)

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on March 23, 2015
at 03:25 AM

The Seahawks aren't exactly vegans.

http://mynorthwest.com/874/2445564/Eat-like-a-Seahawk-The-teams-top-chef-on-what-the-guys-are-eating

They eat a lot of junk but it also looks like about two pounds of meat a day. And they're doing well over Cordain's Paleo 900 calories a day of exercise.

Not 100% Paleo. Maybe only 75%. But close enough to get them to the Super Bowl.

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on January 03, 2013
at 02:29 PM

I would say most MMA fighters lean heavily toward a Paleo diet. Aside from whole grain pasta & oatmeal, grains just don't fit in to the weight manipulation these guys (and ladies) are primarily focused on.

Furthermore, it baffles me that Danzig, the Diaz bros, Shields can still be considered as flukes when they are consistently ranked as top contenders. All the fights they win mean nothing when they lose at the championship level? C'mon now...

And then there are the endurance athletes. Some mentioned here... Roll is another one not mentioned.

Don't be threatened, Paleofolk. It IS 100% possible to achieve optimal health without meat. Easy? Simple? No. But, possible? Absolutely.

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on January 03, 2013
at 12:47 PM

Pro-Athletes don't do low-carb because its proven to fail.

80 year old body builder Jim Morris is vegan.

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(487)

on January 03, 2013
at 01:25 PM

Paleo does not mean low carb.

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(415)

on January 03, 2013
at 01:56 PM

tell that to Tim Olson http://www.meandmydiabetes.com/2012/08/11/western-states-100-low-carber-wins-ultramarathon-steve-phinney-and-jeff-volek-study/

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(5795)

on June 10, 2012
at 05:19 PM

Djokovic fighting back in the French Open. Trying to take down clay king Rafa Nadal!

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(19469)

on May 28, 2011
at 01:13 PM

Train Hard Fight Easy did a full four page spread on Paleo (and they even used the word "Paleo") about a month ago.

I reviewed the article here with excerpts from the write up if you don't have access to the magazine (I think that it is only sold in the UK for the time being)...

New Fighter's Only Magazine features Robb Wolf, Loren Cordain and Paleo UFC Athletes

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on May 28, 2011
at 10:54 AM

a paleo brock lesnar choked carwin out.

http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/news/story?id=5352613

guess vegetarianism gives u sucky cardio :)

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(574)

on September 22, 2011
at 05:58 PM

Yes, but Brock has a lot of serious GI health issues, so definitely not a good pick.

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(20)

on July 16, 2012
at 03:19 PM

and Lesnar is 260 and "supplement" free. And if you believe that, I've got a bridge to see ya. Have you seen Lesnar fight past the first round? Cardio is not his strong suit.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on January 03, 2013
at 02:31 PM

Lesnar barely pulled that fight off. And his conditioning was obviously far inferior to Carwin's.

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(5002)

on May 28, 2011
at 09:51 AM

I think Forest Griffin has a blurb on the back of Robb Wolf's book.

Brock Lesnar was forced to eat almost paleo for his diverticulitus.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on January 03, 2013
at 02:33 PM

Lesnar was eating Paleo when he developed diverticulitis.

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Cf626d3fba66c18297b3f1116a920e58

(3417)

on May 24, 2011
at 12:59 AM

Alistair Overeem is pretty close. In "The Reem" documentary series, there's an episode about his exercise and diet regimen. He eats several pounds of horsemeat every day (awesome.). After watching that documentary, I don't believe for a second he does steroids. That makes me feel very, very alone in the MMA community, but if you want to see a steroid user, look no further than Brock Lesnar shudders.

Without further ado, I present Alistair Overeem, the ambassador of meat to all athletes: where-are-all-of-the-paleo-pro-athletes?

EDIT: Sorry, looks like there will be further ado. The link isn't working :( You can google him!

Cf626d3fba66c18297b3f1116a920e58

(3417)

on May 24, 2011
at 02:17 AM

Everyone thinks Alistair does roids. I think the man just moves a ton of weight and eats 500+g horsemeat daily.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 24, 2011
at 02:35 AM

Oh, I see. (Why 15 characters? WHY???)

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 24, 2011
at 01:46 AM

Why does that make you feel very alone? I don't get it.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on May 28, 2011
at 01:23 PM

couple things here. brock's ACTUALLY paleo. brock undergoes the testing in the US which isn't as good as some hope but it's miles ahead of the testing that overeem gets which is virtually NONE! he has fought almost exclusively in japan the last couple of years because they do no drug-testing. this dude went from about 200lbs to 250 in 4 years or so with no help? hahahahah... i don't care how much horsemeat you eat, that ain't happening. and this is coming from someone who eats 3 lbs of meat a day...

Cf626d3fba66c18297b3f1116a920e58

(3417)

on May 29, 2011
at 01:12 AM

I BELIEVE IN THE REEM!!! This is sports, man. All opinions and fandom are beyond reasoning... or fall short of reasoning. I can't remember which.

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(225)

on June 10, 2012
at 09:02 PM

Reem just got busted for testing positive in las Vegas, that is why he was not in the last title fight and was replaced by vegetarian Frank Mir who is on TRT. Reem's epitestosterone to testosterone ratio was 14:1, whereas in the average male it is close to 1:1.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on January 03, 2013
at 02:16 PM

Indeed... lol at Overeem not on steroids because he eats horse meat.

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on May 23, 2011
at 11:07 PM

Actually, one of the reasons I started looking into the whole Paleo thing was because of a segment done on Hockey Night in Canada on NHL player Mike Cammalleri. He is quite well known for being one of the best in all the pre-season conditioning testing (and you can see a bit of that here too) and is certainly an elite performer. His focus is more on whole foods than specifically Paleo but there's a lot of parallels.

His visit to the market starts about three minutes in but the whole piece is interesting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBQ7UDiSpr0&feature=mh_lolz&list=FL1uQbF6TmiLo

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(130)

on May 23, 2011
at 08:30 PM

Aaron Rodgers has talked about eating Paleo a few times.

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